Ghostbusters 3 - Part 4

[Vaibow]

Erm, Star Wars??? It continues the story - they can all cameo, have bit parts, it pay homage to the past and with decent writers, move forward.

Indianna Jones is a poor example. He is the titular character, we have had a trilogy of his events. Decades later, a new film is released, introducing his son that doesn't sport a whip, hat, go hunting for artifacts - where is the attraction?

Had they, introduced us to an older indie, where he is telling a story of his younger days and we see an actor give a good portrayal then, you can see the attraction - a reboot.

This is basically saying, ok, forget everything you know about Ghostbusters, we're rebooting, but with females. Oh, but everything looks similar - to remind you it's ghostbusters.

Is it to hard to imagine that right now, the original team are living their lives in NYC, some have moved on, had families, new jobs, but something happens and they come together for another adventure?

 

[JangoNate]

Erm, Star Wars??? It continues the story - they can all cameo, have bit parts, it pay homage to the past and with decent writers, move forward.

Indianna Jones is a poor example. He is the titular character, we have had a trilogy of his events. Decades later, a new film is released, introducing his son that doesn't sport a whip, hat, go hunting for artifacts - where is the attraction?

Had they, introduced us to an older indie, where he is telling a story of his younger days and we see an actor give a good portrayal then, you can see the attraction - a reboot.

This is basically saying, ok, forget everything you know about Ghostbusters, we're rebooting, but with females. Oh, but everything looks similar - to remind you it's ghostbusters.

Is it to hard to imagine that right now, the original team are living their lives in NYC, some have moved on, had families, new jobs, but something happens and they come together for another adventure?

I'm not going to get into Star Wars because that is a very different beast of a movie and I do think Indiana Jones works for what you said above...titular characters. Most people don't want this to exlude there titular characters. But we're of two minds and we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

I'm just not sure I like a movie where ghosts have been around for 31 years and have become common place. I like that we're reintroducing ghosts and ghost busting into our current context. Everyone who wants this to be connected implies a world where everyone has amnesia about two apocalyptic events in NY and the existence of ghosts or one where there's franchises all over the country, maybe world, the guys are rich, and ghost busting isn't anything special. Doesn't sound fun to me. I like a team of nobodies standing up to the end of the world with slapped together equipment and the no how and every one thinking they're crazy for believing ghosts exist.

Yes, it would be easy to connect the movies. We've all come up with dozens of scenarios. Unfortunately, nobody wanted to touch a sequel. Feig even turned it down once. Plus, I think there's some issues with the character rights and Murray held us back. So they came up with new characters in a new reality and Feig signed on as long as it could be his vision and not the vision of a dozen other voices that he wouldn't be passionate about. Nobody has to like it, but I'm feeling this was the only way a new film would come about.

I'm a diehard fan, but I'm ok with this as long as the end product is good.

 

[def28]

Evil Dead, Vacation and Mad Max are other films from the 80s that have recently kept their connection outside of Star Wars and Indy. It's happened a lot lately. Heck with Evil Dead they flat out admitted that didn't work how they wanted it to with audiences and fans wanted more regardless of it making money and having a fair reception. And now they are back to Ash. Yet there were a few fans on here who said a lot of the same things this board has in defense of changes and possibly taking away the connection. Arguing that Bruce Campbell or the character of Ash wasn't important enough to the original ED and can just be switched out. And giving the "don't worry they are not erasing the original" argument. Doesn't matter, people want more of what they liked with the characters. It's not just the concept. Audiences are quick to tell when something is different and want those characters of the original. There's gonna be whole slew of people asking where or when Bill Murray/Venkman is gonna show up, who don't keep up with all the news and are unaware that he's just not interested for this project.

Completely ditching the main characters and rewriting the mythos for an established property rarely works. This thing can backfire easily and is gonna get thrashed by the fan base regardless. If this movie doesn't impress audiences expect Sony to push out another film or even another reboot with recasts for Venkman and crew pretty fast for damage control. Along with the recognizable creatures and villains that they have been making money off of for 30 years. I wouldn't be surprised if they already have that ready to go.

 

[sueb1863]

SPMM was awesome cause it's an original/ odd and funny idea. It's trademark to the film, cartoon, game and series as a whole. Why would people not want the younger gen to have that?

They DO have that. It's in the original movie. But it's the sort of big joke that really only works once. The impact of the original SPMM was that it was so off the wall and unexpected, audiences just roared at it.

Now if it showed up, the reaction would be more along the lines of, "Oh, look, it's the SPMM again. Heh." How could they possibly frame it so it'd have the same effect as the first one? No matter what it would simply be a reprise of something they've done before and not nearly as funny.

And as has been said, the only reason the SPMM existed in the first place was the Ray had "chosen" that form for Gozer thinking it would be harmless. Ray isn't in this movie, Gozer's gone, so how could the SPMM come back? Unless Gozer came back, but even if he did, Ray would have to be there for the SPMM to reappear and he would have to choose that form again. And if they did that then it's just a stale repeat of a joke they did in 1984.

 

[JangoNate]

Evil Dead, Vacation and Mad Max are other films from the 80s that have recently kept their connection outside of Star Wars and Indy. It's happened a lot lately. Heck with Evil Dead they flat out admitted that didn't work how they wanted it to with audiences and fans wanted more regardless of it making money and having a fair reception. And now they are back to Ash. Yet there were a few fans on here who said a lot of the same things this board has in defense of changes and possibly taking away the connection. Arguing that Bruce Campbell or the character of Ash wasn't important enough to the original ED and can just be switched out. And giving the "don't worry they are not erasing the original" argument. Doesn't matter, people want more of what they liked with the characters. It's not just the concept. Audiences are quick to tell when something is different and want those characters of the original. There's gonna be whole slew of people asking where or when Bill Murray/Venkman is gonna show up, who don't keep up with all the news and are unaware that he's just not interested for this project.

Completely ditching the main characters and rewriting the mythos for an established property rarely works. This thing can backfire easily and is gonna get thrashed by the fan base regardless. If this movie doesn't impress audiences expect Sony to push out another film or even another reboot with recasts for Venkman and crew pretty fast for damage control. Along with the recognizable creatures and villains that they have been making money off of for 30 years. I wouldn't be surprised if they already have that ready to go.

But again, those films are all missing one important piece...a Bill Murray who refuses to sign off on the film. I really have gotten the feeling that it was going to be difficult, legally, to get those characters in this film.

Also, Mad Max did great critically, but it didn't make a ton of money and the jury's still out on other projects you mentioned. Keeping the connection, to me, is not always the safer bet and will not be what makes or breaks this film. It's up to the general audience (not the diehard audience) to carry the film and, though people say differently here, I don't believe it not being a sequel matters as much to them as we think it does.

 

[JangoNate]

http://www.nerdreport.com/2015/07/2...-could-connect-new-and-original-ghostbusters/

Interesting bit of news that lets us know things are still moving on the next Ghostbusters movie after Feig's.

On GBFans, the person who shared it declared that this is proof that they're connected to the originals, I'm assuming, as a sequel, but I get something a little different from it. Feels like there might be a way to connect all the movies. Maybe they'll do that whole portal opening up during battle and we see the original guys on the other side or something. Something that clues us in on a multiverse.

Just my interpretation, but my main take away is that the other film is still lingering on the horizon. Hope it gets made. The more GB films the better for me. I want to see this franchise live on and if Feig's fails, I doubt we'll see something new. Same could be said for the next one.

 

[PunisherFC]

Should have been kept in same universe.

A young niece of one of the original Gb's finds her uncle's old work, let's say McKinnon's character - she realizes it's more than just hear say or a rumour/urban legend. She grows up loving the work, researching, wanting to continue it when a world is too busy looking into an iPhone in starbucks.

Her friends from university plus a room mate all humour her until things start getting weird again.

The world is so 'wired' up and 'polluted' with frequencies from wifi and such that the wall from another dimension is collapsing, can the girls come together to save new york once again?

There ya go. There's you premise and they are welcome to use every aspect of the original and fans would love it.

I like that idea a lot, I think a cool way to keep it in the continuity while doing there own thing, would be when they are crossings streams on the final baddy. If it opened a rip in dimensions and we saw the original 4 from the first film, When they were doing the same. Like a quick glimpse of their alternate universe. That's why we don't cross streams, it could rip the fabric of time and realities?

 

[JangoNate]

I like that idea a lot, I think a cool way to keep it in the continuity while doing there own thing, would be when they are crossings streams on the final baddy. If it opened a rip in dimensions and we saw the original 4 from the first film, When they were doing the same. Like a quick glimpse of their alternate universe. That's why we don't cross streams, it could rip the fabric of time and realities?

The idea of a dimensional cross rip showing Zeddemore and Stantz would be a fantastic way of connecting the films loosely and mentioning in the new universe that the old universe exists. It would be fun to design the uniforms to look like the busters have been around for a while or...

Maybe they cut it with the Gozer battle when the Busters first crossed the streams.

I wonder, though, if Stantz's cameo would make that too weird. Unless this is Ray Stantz in this universe, but that would be kinda sad considering what he was in the original universe. Things to think about.

 

[PunisherFC]

The idea of a dimensional cross rip showing Zeddemore and Stantz would be a fantastic way of connecting the films loosely and mentioning in the new universe that the old universe exists. It would be fun to design the uniforms to look like the busters have been around for a while or...

Maybe they cut it with the Gozer battle when the Busters first crossed the streams.

I wonder, though, if Stantz's cameo would make that too weird. Unless this is Ray Stantz in this universe, but that would be kinda sad considering what he was in the original universe. Things to think about.

I was kinda thinking an easy way, would be to show the original movie's final battle stream crossing. Showing that it bends time and dimension. I agree with you thought, it gives this film its own thing, while making the original just as important. Oh and this stay puff dilemma, give the girls something creepy like, a giant toy that scared them as kids. Or maybe the rip in dimensions, caused gozer to come through in his form. Scary as hell, and it would make you think, "oh did crossing the streams really put him away in 84? Or give him a way to escape in this dimension in 2015?" Makes the experience of both films deep IMO.

 

[Alien Anal]

I'm stoned but here is an idea. Similar to Jumanji Id have it so the original team and all their equipment went missing in the 90s after they entered another dimension/hell fighting some creature are never seen again. But we don't find this out till somepoint later in the film when the portal is reopened and they come out old and battle scared.

 

[JangoNate]

I was kinda thinking an easy way, would be to show the original movie's final battle stream crossing. Showing that it bends time and dimension. I agree with you thought, it gives this film its own thing, while making the original just as important. Oh and this stay puff dilemma, give the girls something creepy like, a giant toy that scared them as kids. Or maybe the rip in dimensions, caused gozer to come through in his form. Scary as hell, and it would make you think, "oh did crossing the streams really put him away in 84? Or give him a way to escape in this dimension in 2015?" Makes the experience of both films deep IMO.

I like that that crossing the streams pushed Gizer into another dimension. Nice!

 

[def28]

But again, those films are all missing one important piece...a Bill Murray who refuses to sign off on the film. I really have gotten the feeling that it was going to be difficult, legally, to get those characters in this film.

Also, Mad Max did great critically, but it didn't make a ton of money and the jury's still out on other projects you mentioned. Keeping the connection, to me, is not always the safer bet and will not be what makes or breaks this film. It's up to the general audience (not the diehard audience) to carry the film and, though people say differently here, I don't believe it not being a sequel matters as much to them as we think it does.

Based on what remakes? Apes? Even that kept some the same character names. What other franchises have had this much pop culture impact and have completely ditched their characters and connection to the original? Jurassic Park kept it as well and its worked pretty good so far for its audience.

With Murray I agree, that's a problem they just can't get around. But it's still gonna be an issue. People are gonna react the same exact way as fans did that, except they didn't have years to get over the fact and follow around news. It will be when they walk out of the theatre. A few people keep thinking changing the characters will somehow stop the comparisons. It won't, it will only ask more questions.

They DO have that. It's in the original movie. But it's the sort of big joke that really only works once. The impact of the original SPMM was that it was so off the wall and unexpected, audiences just roared at it.

Now if it showed up, the reaction would be more along the lines of, "Oh, look, it's the SPMM again. Heh." How could they possibly frame it so it'd have the same effect as the first one? No matter what it would simply be a reprise of something they've done before and not nearly as funny.

And as has been said, the only reason the SPMM existed in the first place was the Ray had "chosen" that form for Gozer thinking it would be harmless. Ray isn't in this movie, Gozer's gone, so how could the SPMM come back? Unless Gozer came back, but even if he did, Ray would have to be there for the SPMM to reappear and he would have to choose that form again. And if they did that then it's just a stale repeat of a joke they did in 1984.

Nah, I completely disagree. And this is where if you want to remake a film in the first place you need to put forth the effort on stuff like this. This film is 30 years old. The characters popularity doesn't just rely on a twist anymore, and has not since 1984. It was marketable in general, and still sold around stores, games, cons and comic shops. People again will be expecting it now cause it's a classic part of the series, and they like it. So if they replace it with something weaker (which they will) that will underwhelm. And again, people will just be asking "when" not "if". Comes with remaking a film with.

I still have no idea how a few think this is somehow gonna treat people different then any other series changing classic elements/characters. The reaction to stuff like this has always been the same.

 

[PunisherFC]

I like that that crossing the streams pushed Gizer into another dimension. Nice!

Thanks
If I were doing the reboot that would be incorporated but the cast wouldn't be all female, it would be mixed. I'd have a female engineer/ scientist the egon type. Who believes in ghosts, cause when her mother died she saw her spirit leave her body. So she was raised by her dad, who was strict about her education and pushed her into his field of science. I'd also have a guy who's obsessed with ghost hunting, and he is also a medium for spirits. Everyone thinks he's a whack job, and dismisses him he would be the Ray type.
Then I'd have a Peter/Winston character who is a skeptic, but will do anything for a paycheck. The three of the ghostbusters would have a mega fan, who tries to get into the group. Who gets possessed, by a spirit warning of the coming of Gozer. All the cellphones, and iPads are generating an enormous white noise event, that rips a hole open for Gozer to enter. But the main bad guy is the mayor, who's an occult leader for the "architect", who designed New York as a giant channel for ghosts. Once he is stopped they cross streams to close a portal, but that's when the time and dimensions rip happens unleashing Gozer as planned. Just a quick idea, but I'm not directing it lol

 

[JangoNate]

Based on what remakes? Apes? What other franchises have had this much pop culture impact and have completely ditched their characters and connection to the original? Jurassic Park kept it as well and its worked pretty god so far for its audience.

With Murray I agree, that's a problem they just can't get around. But it's still gonna be an issue. People are gonna react the same exact way as fans did that, except they didn't have years to get over the fact and follow around news. It will be when they walk out of the theatre. A few people keep thinking changing the characters will somehow stop the comparisons. It won't, it will only ask more questions.



Nah, I completely disagree. And this is where if you want to remake a film in the first place you need to put forth the effort on stuff like this. This film is 30 years old. The characters popularity doesn't just rely on a twist anymore, and has not since 1984. It was marketable in general, and still sold around stores, games, cons and comic shops. People again will be expecting it now cause it's a classic part of the series, and they like it. So if they replace it with something weaker (which they will) that will underwhelm. And again, people will just be asking "when" not "if". Comes with remaking a film with.

I still have no idea how a few think this is somehow gonna treat people different then any other series changing classic elements/characters. The reaction to stuff like this has always been the same.

First things, first. The new movie's happening, it's a reboot and not a remake, it's ditching the characters, and there's nothing that will change that. Personally, I just don't see the point in showing how this could be a sequel. We know, we've speculated well before the new movie was announced. I've been dreaming of scenarios since '99 when I got sucked into Aykroyd's sequel madness. Yes, Paul could make a sequel , but he said he wouldn't do it as a sequel. Sony had no other options, nobody wanted to be the guy who ruined childhoods and so Sony gave in and said do your thing. I guess I'm just fatigued over hearing how it could have been because I'd rather speculate how it actually could be.

Crossrips with us seeing the guys could happen. The Gozer idea you shared is one of the best I've seen and I want it for a sequel. But the four guys as Ghostbusters is out.

Jurassic World is a crazy anomaly to me. Especially because I don't think it's a terrific film. It's good, but not the best I've seen this year. On average though, reviving an old franchise isn't easy whether it's a reboot or sequel. Maybe because we're seeking the same feeling in the new film, but for whatever reason we're not able to. Maybe we just grew up.

 

[def28]

It's definitely a remake. Re-imagining yes, but that doesn't stop it from being classified as a remake. Which basically means make something again only different.

I agree with Jurassic World, but we seem to be in the minority there. The issue wasn't the connection for me but more so the execution and lack of suspense with set pieces. It was dumb fun and nothing more for me.

This movie could very well be the opposite, I just really think the issue of not bringing enough elements or familiar characters back will hurt the audience reception much more then people are anticipating. People are gonna want a crowd pleasing moments that are familiar. The fact something else is allegedly lined up within the series has me thinking this even more. Like with comic books staying faithful to the source can become a big issue with properties like this.

 

[JangoNate]

http://www.ecumenicalnews.com/artic...-says-were-not-recreating-the-old-movie-31983

Not much, but there's this snippet:

"We're not recreating the old movie but we want to do just enough fun nods that the fans will go, 'Oh, okay, they're acknowledging that the other movie existed, I like to watch parodies, but I don't want to do them because they're too referential."

 

[def28]

Ugh. Feig always seems like a cool guy, but everything he has said makes me feel worse about this.

 

[JangoNate]

Ugh. Feig always seems like a cool guy, but everything he has said makes me feel worse about this.

I'm good right now. Just waiting to hear about traps and the PKE. I'd be upset if they disentigrated ghosts instead of capturing them. The good news is that Sony reps at SDCC said traps exist in this universe and so I'm feeling good.

Sorry to hear your fears. I'm just hoping for something new and different with the spirit of the original. A straight up remake would never come close to the original. This might not either. But I'm pulling for it for the sake of the franchise. I also need a new pack to build!

And now to pop some popcorn for movie night. The family's watching Ghostbusters tonight. Kids love it!

 

[antsman41]

I feel like he keeps contradicting himself.

 

[Vaibow]

I'm not going to get into Star Wars because that is a very different beast of a movie and I do think Indiana Jones works for what you said above...titular characters. Most people don't want this to exlude there titular characters. But we're of two minds and we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

I'm just not sure I like a movie where ghosts have been around for 31 years and have become common place. I like that we're reintroducing ghosts and ghost busting into our current context. Everyone who wants this to be connected implies a world where everyone has amnesia about two apocalyptic events in NY and the existence of ghosts or one where there's franchises all over the country, maybe world, the guys are rich, and ghost busting isn't anything special. Doesn't sound fun to me. I like a team of nobodies standing up to the end of the world with slapped together equipment and the no how and every one thinking they're crazy for believing ghosts exist.

Yes, it would be easy to connect the movies. We've all come up with dozens of scenarios. Unfortunately, nobody wanted to touch a sequel. Feig even turned it down once. Plus, I think there's some issues with the character rights and Murray held us back. So they came up with new characters in a new reality and Feig signed on as long as it could be his vision and not the vision of a dozen other voices that he wouldn't be passionate about. Nobody has to like it, but I'm feeling this was the only way a new film would come about.

I'm a diehard fan, but I'm ok with this as long as the end product is good.

Thanks for the reply, i enjoyed reading it - way too many people troll or over react - you seem very level headed (until you cross streams).

I loved the original and a part of me is sad that it isn't continuing, as a good writer can make that happen - i mean, i bet you could come up with an idea that we could all get onboard with.

I don't really like the alternate reality idea - that the original team are jet another version - i didn't like it with the recent terminator reboot and there we go, i guess.

But what i was trying to say, is that after GB2, it all goes quiet, people move on, the media distract them. There are tin flail hat wearers (like me) that delve into conspiracies but at same time, we too have to live our lives.

I don't really want to compare ghosts to 9-11 and such tragic events, but the thing is, the human population has seen many weird, scary things and ultimately, learn nothing. Kids born after 9-11, they can't imagine what it felt, it's like a myth to them - does terrorist activity still occur - you bet, but citizens are desensitized to an extent.

Governments can slowly erase all traces of those paranormal events. Life can quickly go back to normal.

Fact is, in my head, enough time has past for the world to go back to normal - only for the world we live in now, to wake up that 'wave length'.

Anyways, i'm giving this movie a chance

Here is an interesting/fun thought..

What would be the 2015 version of the SPMM?? Would it be a Minion?? An Avenger? Terminator? Teletubby? Colonal from KFC??

 

[Vaibow]

http://www.ecumenicalnews.com/artic...-says-were-not-recreating-the-old-movie-31983

Not much, but there's this snippet:

"We're not recreating the old movie but we want to do just enough fun nods that the fans will go, 'Oh, okay, they're acknowledging that the other movie existed, I like to watch parodies, but I don't want to do them because they're too referential."

I sadly don't get what he means though - so if he isn't recreating it, then why should it matter what vehicle they drove, suit they wear or equipment they use - should be a whole different beast.

Sure, he wants to use the appeal of the original to lure people in - but that appeal is to see snippets of the original.

He's basically banking on the original to carry this forward - in my opinion, otherwise, he should have a clean slate and do whatever he wants.

He was asked to recreate GB for a new audience - he should embrace that and say right - what did people like, let's recreate it but with a twist.

I'm confusing myself now.

 

[Vaibow]

http://www.nerdreport.com/2015/07/2...-could-connect-new-and-original-ghostbusters/

Interesting bit of news that lets us know things are still moving on the next Ghostbusters movie after Feig's.

On GBFans, the person who shared it declared that this is proof that they're connected to the originals, I'm assuming, as a sequel, but I get something a little different from it. Feels like there might be a way to connect all the movies. Maybe they'll do that whole portal opening up during battle and we see the original guys on the other side or something. Something that clues us in on a multiverse.

Just my interpretation, but my main take away is that the other film is still lingering on the horizon. Hope it gets made. The more GB films the better for me. I want to see this franchise live on and if Feig's fails, I doubt we'll see something new. Same could be said for the next one.

what if an event happened after GB2, that was so powerful that it basically altered the fabric of time, the original team got sucked into it and were trapped. The original team are working on sending signals from beyond the realm to modern day NYC and they plant the seed into the girls heads, as a way to get them out.

I think a poster on here said similar - about streams crossing.

A few then make it out alive, sadly, some don't.

 

[JangoNate]

what if an event happened after GB2, that was so powerful that it basically altered the fabric of time, the original team got sucked into it and were trapped. The original team are working on sending signals from beyond the realm to modern day NYC and they plant the seed into the girls heads, as a way to get them out.

I think a poster on here said similar - about streams crossing.

A few then make it out alive, sadly, some don't.

With this mysterious second film the possibilities are endless. I'd like to hear something concrete and official about it. I seem to remember them saying that it may even come out in 2017. That'd be a quick turn around if they were waiting to see how Feig's does. We'll see.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Update from Drew Pearce on his script.

http://www.mtv.com/news/2226354/drew-pearce-on-ghostbusters-chris-pratt-channing-tatum/

Say's it's done. It was written with Pratt & Tatum in mind and also gives the franchise the ability to tie everything together (original films, Paul Feig reboot, etc.) in a single universe.

 

[Vaibow]

Hmmm, tieing it all together?? I just hope it doesn't go crazy and unrealistic - as unrealistic as this movie can be...