Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 2 finally TV rating.

[EarthShaker]

[QUOTE]While it's been said the planned Agents Of SHIELD spinoff was cancelled due to not wanting popular characters moved off the show, the real story might be as simple as the ratings.

Last night's two-hour Season 2 finale of Marvel's Agents Of SHIELD saw a ratings low for the series.

The season two finale came in at a 1.3 rating, which is down 13 percent from last week's 1.5 adults 18-49 rating, with 4 million viewers.

By comparison, The Flash continued to see strong numbers for the less-watched CW network with a 1.4.[/QUOTE]

This website says that season 2 finally tv ratings are low(1.3) and the Flash ratings(1.4)that the flash is going strong while AOS suffers. the differnce is only .1 i dont get it.

 

[TheVileOne]

The Flash airs on a lower-ranked and less watched TV network. ABC has a larger viewership. By comparison, 10th of a point or not, it is not good that Flash draws a higher rating than SHIELD on a network that has lower viewership than ABC

Also networks care more about the key demos than the overall numbers.

Now is the system an antiquated and lame system? Yes. It makes no sense to me either. That's just how it is.

Honestly, a spinoff was a stupid idea, when really...Agents of SHIELD is already treading water. The show is barely staying afloat as of late. To give it a spinoff, when Agent Carter is already so awesome, was foolish.

Second, this season was a weaker season. Some people may hate to admit it, but it's true. The Nu-SHIELD plot was a lame rehash. Back half of season 2 was a letdown.

 

[famicommander]

Flash was actually adjusted up in the final ratings to a 1.5, so it beat SHIELD by 0.2.

As for the context of these numbers, Flash is the highest average rated show on the CW. It has a 1.44 average rating, wbich is the highest on the CW by a wide margin. The second highest on the network is Arrow with a 1.01, and none of the rest are even close to a 0.9. Reign got renewed on the network averaging a 0.39. iZombie averages a 0.69 and is considered a hit for the network.

On the other hand, Agents of SHIELD averaged a 1.59, which is 14th on ABC. Comparatively, the Flash is a much bigger success. Many, many more people watch ABC on average than the CW.

Flash is in fact the most-watched show in the history of the CW network.

 

[KingCheops]

Also factor in that AoS's finale was 2 hours not 1. The key demographics includes a lot of people with children and jobs who can't always stay up until 11 pm. Expect to see HUGE gains on the live+7. Also keep in mind that ABC has been indicating that it is happy with the ratings because the male demographic is much higher and they have largely struggled with it. And even higher than that Disney is okay with using the +7 numbers because it is really all about keeping touch points to the movies.

This is a really hard show to peg based on overall ratings alone. That being said I expect season 3 or maybe 4 to be its last season. However, that's just because I can see it no longer being Agents of SHIELD and splintering off into 1 or more spin offs.

 

[famicommander]

Also factor in that AoS's finale was 2 hours not 1. The key demographics includes a lot of people with children and jobs who can't always stay up until 11 pm. Expect to see HUGE gains on the live+7. Also keep in mind that ABC has been indicating that it is happy with the ratings because the male demographic is much higher and they have largely struggled with it. And even higher than that Disney is okay with using the +7 numbers because it is really all about keeping touch points to the movies.

This is a really hard show to peg based on overall ratings alone. That being said I expect season 3 or maybe 4 to be its last season. However, that's just because I can see it no longer being Agents of SHIELD and splintering off into 1 or more spin offs.

There's no way season 3 is the last season unless it falls to fractional numbers. A fourth season gets the show to syndication numbers. Shows that get a third season almost always get a fourth, even if they have to move to a new outlet (see: Mindy Project).

 

[KingCheops]

There's no way season 3 is the last season unless it falls to fractional numbers. A fourth season gets the show to syndication numbers. Shows that get a third season almost always get a fourth, even if they have to move to a new outlet (see: Mindy Project).

Mostly I was just thinking that the show likely won't survive much longer as Agents of SHIELD. It's starting to get very crowded and will only get worse as Skye's team gains members. Do you spin off a Secret Warriors and keep AoS?

 

[Humbugged]

There's no way season 3 is the last season unless it falls to fractional numbers. A fourth season gets the show to syndication numbers. Shows that get a third season almost always get a fourth, even if they have to move to a new outlet (see: Mindy Project).

The Mindy Project was the first show with 66 episodes not to get picked up for a 4th season in a decade .And even that has now been picked up elsewhere.The magic number is 88 episodes for syndication.

So unless it tanks completely it will be back for another 2 seasons .And Marvel are talking about their own channel now as well so even if ABC decide to go another direction there will be a home for it elsewhere.

But as said elsewhere the L+3/L+7 numbers are in the top ten for gains .People just watch TV differently now and the networks are still catching up

 

[Demileto]

Mostly I was just thinking that the show likely won't survive much longer as Agents of SHIELD. It's starting to get very crowded and will only get worse as Skye's team gains members. Do you spin off a Secret Warriors and keep AoS?

What the show seems to be doing is changing the focus from being about SHIELD to being about Secret Warriors. They thought of moving Bobbi and Hunter to a spin-off, could be for this very reason.

 

[Blade X]

If the ratings keep falling, this show will most likely be cancelled in it's 3rd season and possibly get a 4th season on Netflix. IMO, while I liked the 2nd season (especially the 2 hour season finale), I think that the problem with this show is that it comes off more as an X-FILES and FRINGE ripoff then as an actual SHIELD show. The show should take a cue from the FLASH and ARROW TV shows and become more like a "comic book" and amp up the action and start having the SHIELD agents wearing their black/dark blue and white SHIELD uniforms (and have Hydra,AIM,and Ultimatum wear their comic book uniforms). They also need the focus of the show to be less about finding/investigating and policing superhumans and aliens/alien artifacts, and more about them battling international terrorists and criminal organizations (like Hydera,AIM ,Ultimatum,Roxxon,and the Magia). In other words, I want AOS to be like this.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il9t9v5sxYI

[YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il9t9v5sxYI[/YT]

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

The show should take a cue from the FLASH and ARROW TV shows

NOTHING should EVER try to be like those godawful CW shows

 

[metaphysician]

Flash is hardly godawful, aside from the Barry/Iris romangst.

 

[Steyin]

NOTHING should EVER try to be like those godawful CW shows

 

[Asharad]

I agree with the man. CW shows are bad.

 

[Blade X]

NOTHING should EVER try to be like those godawful CW shows

Considering the fact that one of those "godawful" CW shows beat the season finale of AOS in the ratings, maybe they should try to be more like the CW DC shows.

 

[Avenger]

It's probably going to get a fourth season for syndication reasons. Honestly, that would be a success. The vast majority of TV shows are lucky to get one full season.

AoS' overnight ratings might not be so hot, but IIRC its live+3 and live+5 ratings are very solid, and those are far more important now than they used to be. Its numbers with the key demos are also pretty good. It'll be fine.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Considering the fact that one of those "godawful" CW shows beat the season finale of AOS in the ratings, maybe they should try to be more like the CW DC shows.

why dumbing your product down on purpose just to have a couple of viewers more? that would be the Michael Bay approach, and Marvel is better than that

 

[AndrewGilkison]

It's not surprising that Flash's finale drew higher ratings. It's a full blown superhero show that has some of Flash's bigger rogues like Reverse Flash, Captain Cold and Grodd playing major roles in the show.

Agents of Shield is basically Marvel Cinematic Universe Lite. It's directly compared to the films because it takes place in the same universe and has the restrictions that come with that (and do not bring up Daredevil, because obviously that show is able to carve out it's own space in the universe where it doesn't have to reference the films as much as Agents of Shield has to). Why would the average joe watch AOS to get their MCU fix when they can just watch the films and actually get to SEE Iron Man and Captain America and Thor (rather than just being referenced)?

 

[britmotley]

It's not surprising that Flash's finale drew higher ratings. It's a full blown superhero show that has some of Flash's bigger rogues like Reverse Flash, Captain Cold and Grodd playing major roles in the show.

Agents of Shield is basically Marvel Cinematic Universe Lite. It's directly compared to the films because it takes place in the same universe and has the restrictions that come with that (and do not bring up Daredevil, because obviously that show is able to carve out it's own space in the universe where it doesn't have to reference the films as much as Agents of Shield has to). Why would the average joe watch AOS to get their MCU fix when they can just watch the films and actually get to SEE Iron Man and Captain America and Thor (rather than just being referenced)?

I really wanted to like Agents,I have seen every episode - but it's like watching a 45 min movie about a Marvel superheroes next door neighbor,week in week out

 

[Lilbaz]

It's not surprising that Flash's finale drew higher ratings. It's a full blown superhero show that has some of Flash's bigger rogues like Reverse Flash, Captain Cold and Grodd playing major roles in the show.

Agents of Shield is basically Marvel Cinematic Universe Lite. It's directly compared to the films because it takes place in the same universe and has the restrictions that come with that (and do not bring up Daredevil, because obviously that show is able to carve out it's own space in the universe where it doesn't have to reference the films as much as Agents of Shield has to). Why would the average joe watch AOS to get their MCU fix when they can just watch the films and actually get to SEE Iron Man and Captain America and Thor (rather than just being referenced)?

Because Marvel don't release 20 films a year.

 

[EarthShaker]

Considering the fact that one of those "godawful" CW shows beat the season finale of AOS in the ratings, maybe they should try to be more like the CW DC shows.

in my opinion, i think The Flash gets more viewers is because the show The Flash is a show that is very easy to jump into at any point and and the viewer will enjoy it. CW's The Flash is a show for simpletons.

an the Other Hand AOS. is a Complex show. To actually enjoy AOS, you would need to know alot of back story of the individual characters in AOS.

I watch Both The Flash and AOS. I enjoy both shows. To me AOS is the better show. AOS has a lot more Holy **** that was awesome moments. (that makes you want to rewind those 5 seconds to see it over and over again.

The Flash is a good show, but i don't really care about catching or missing the next episode. the show is so damn predictable. Basically the shows catch phrase is Can the Flash run fast enough to stop that tornado,or that warmhole or that train. and the answer is yes he can he is the flash.

and next week is the same **** again.

 

[Blade X]

why dumbing your product down on purpose just to have a couple of viewers more? that would be the Michael Bay approach, and Marvel is better than that

How is making AOS more like the CW shows "dumbing the product down"?

 

[EarthShaker]

How is making AOS more like the CW shows "dumbing the product down"?

read my above post #20

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

How is making AOS more like the CW shows "dumbing the product down"?

how is it not? making it a formulaic cheesefest with cringeworthy dialogue and bad acting is not making AoS more sophisticated.

 

[SonOfIvaldi]

Seems everyone is talking around the subject - but it seems the consensus is that AoS needs more recognizable superpowered agents/foes.

As it can't regularly pull any major names from the movies it needs to build its own well known superheroes/villains and get them to appear in the movies

A great villain/superhero to have is someone who can clone/copy someone else's abilities - like a taskmaster that can truly mimic any power/skill he/she comes up against
(wouldn't it be interesting if mockingbird is exposed to the mist and gets this ability?)

Another great character would be lady hawkeye

Some crossovers with Netflix would be awesome
And Castle (Punisher)



Villains
Now they have powered heroes its time to bring back Graviton
I would also love to see:

Batroc
Crossbones

 

[Blade X]

how is it not? making it a formulaic cheesefest with cringeworthy dialogue and bad acting is not making AoS more sophisticated.

There are some who will say/argue that AOS is already a "formulaic cheesefest with cringeworthy dialogue and bad acting". Hell, AOS is basically a more grander and more action packed X-FILES and FRINGE formulatic type of show.