Season 7, Episode 3 "The Queen's Justice" Discussion Thread

[Iceman]

LOVED this episode.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I couldn't bring myself to especially sympathise with Ellaria during that moment. What Cersei did was horrific, but it was utterly fitting as a way to escalate the cycle of revenge that Ellaria seemed so intent on propagating.

 

[Iceman]

Cersei was awesome all episode, even without another crazy revenge carried out. She is acting as authoritatively as Tywin.

 

[Marvolo]

I dont sympathize with her either. Ellaria and the Snakes did the same thing to Myrcella. Cersei didnt have to watch, but Jaime had to. So what Cersei did was just deserts.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

I couldn't bring myself to especially sympathise with Ellaria during that moment. What Cersei did was horrific, but it was utterly fitting as a way to escalate the cycle of revenge that Ellaria seemed so intent on propagating.

This, they made Ellaria extremely insufferable in the show. Cersei's punishment was probably some of the best D&D writing we've seen in a while. Also, Cersei's assessment of Oberyn was rather unsettling, but so on point.

Cersei's been surprisingly competent this season, curious to see how it all unfolds. Euron's been a very pleasant surprise as well, merging book Euron and Victarion into the character they have on the show was a pretty good idea.

Also, Olenna was the boss.

 

[Iceman]

This, they made Ellaria extremely insufferable in the show. Cersei's punishment was probably some of the best D&D writing we've seen in a while. Also, Cersei's assessment of Oberyn was rather unsettling, but so on point.

Cersei's been surprisingly competent this season, curious to see how it all unfolds. Euron's been a very pleasant surprise as well, merging book Euron and Victarion into the character they have on the show was a pretty good idea.

Also, Olenna was the boss.

The transformation in Euron has really helped the whole show for me. It is a big aspect of the story that I thought I was going have to shrug at every time he appeared but he has been awesome in every way so far this season. And Cersei is at her best. Like you say the merging of the Greyjoys has worked surprisingly well and I was expecting to be one of my main complaints of the series.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I really like that they've done a good job of making the Silence a big and ominous presence in the show. It's creepy in the books, but seeing it in action is really cool.

I missed it, but they've kept the "Crow's Eye" element too, now engraved on his armour:

 

[Nathaniell]

Great episode. Wow. I could feel the tension between Jon and Dany. Cersie is such a cold hearted monster of a Queen. I thought Lena did very well in the scene where she poisoned Ellaria's daughter and forcing her to watch her die in the same cell.

Dat scene towards the end when Jaime put poison in one of the glasses of red wine and Olenna and him were talking about his sister and then Jeoffery...was really something. I can just see Cersie going mad about not being there instead of Jaime upon learning the truth of who was behind her sons death.

 

[Thundercrack85]

So, everyone in King's Landing is just cool with Cersei blowing up Westeros' equivalent of the Vatican and what has to be a good chunk of the city? I mean, I feel like that should be causing some problems for her. Like say a revolution.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I am not liking Dany in the show. It's shame since she used to be one of my favourite characters. I guess it's because unlike the books, there's no internal dialogue that really humanises her so she just comes off like an entitled and arrogant dictator.

So, everyone in King's Landing is just cool with Cersei blowing up Westeros' equivalent of the Vatican and what has to be a good chunk of the city? I mean, I feel like that should be causing some problems for her. Like say a revolution.

I was a little thrown by that. A crowd of commoners cheering because a few women they've never seen are being brought in by some d*** they don't know for the benefit of a monarch they don't even like.

 

[Perfect Cell]

So, everyone in King's Landing is just cool with Cersei blowing up Westeros' equivalent of the Vatican and what has to be a good chunk of the city? I mean, I feel like that should be causing some problems for her. Like say a revolution.

This episode pointed out that the official "cover story" is that the Sept of Baelor exploded in a terrible accident. The people of King's Landing seem pretty dumb, so... they probably bought it.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

That's even worse. All of her enemies die in an "accident" and she automatically decides she should be crowned Queen?

I actually prefer the idea that the population of KL are cowed by what occurred and wouldn't risk an open rebellion in case she'd blow them up.

 

[Nathaniell]

I dunno about anyone else but I find some scenes (if not most) with Cersie and co to be far more interesting to watch and how they unfold, aside from Bran, Sansa and Arya. I always feel captivated by whats going on and what may happen down the road. I blame the writing but that's a compliment saying the writers are doing a very good job. and it clearly shows.

 

[Perfect Cell]

That's even worse.

And par for the course.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I did like that Dany let Jon mine for Dragon glass though.

 

[The Big G]

The memes that have come out of this episode have been amazing

 

[Rocanrol]

Although I don't like Cersei neither in the books nor in the series as a character (an insufferable, vengeful, poisonous and arrogant harpy), she was greatly interpreted this episode!

The Iron Bank arrival was superb, an economical patron giving her the strategic support to consolidate her political, economical and militaristic rule. Between Euron's gifts and the revenge on the sand snakes, this whole episode was a big power fantasy realized. You could tell for the obvious lady-***** Cersei has that she has to lay with Jamie, and her reproachable impunity when dealing with her servant at the door.

She is developing into an overarching antagonist; the ambition gave her hunger, the struggle made her strong, tragedy made her insensible and the hubris will make her fall.

This, they made Ellaria extremely insufferable in the show. Cersei's punishment was probably some of the best D&D writing we've seen in a while. Also, Cersei's assessment of Oberyn was rather unsettling, but so on point.

What do you mean by D&D writing? You obviously mean Dungeons and Dragons and I'm somewhat familiar with some campaigns and lore, but really wanna know what example you meant with that!

 

[KevTravels]

Ellaria is chained to a wall and can only watch as her daughter dies and rots. Thats about the worst thing that could be done to a mother. Cersei attacked her heart rather than her body.

Yeah good point. Though imagine if she had to watch Ser Robert defile her, I can imagine that might cause her just as much trauma.

 

[flickchick85]

What do you mean by D&D writing? You obviously mean Dungeons and Dragons and I'm somewhat familiar with some campaigns and lore, but really wanna know what example you meant with that!

D&D are the showrunners - DB Weiss and David Benioff.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Thundercrack85]

I have to say (I just finished watching the episode), this notion that the Lannisters would just let Casterly Rock fall is rather hard to believe given the world's medieval mindset. It's not some fortress, it's their ancestral homeland and base of power.

Also not to pile on, but the battle being part of a montage kind of takes the impact out of the whole proceedings.

 

[Marvolo]

Probably my favorite moment of the episode. I need one of those spinoff shows to be a westerosi sitcom starring Jon, Tyrion, and Davos. Or better yet a Hangover style movie about Jon's bachelor party with Tyrion and Davos as his wingmen.

 

[godisawesome]

That's even worse. All of her enemies die in an "accident" and she automatically decides she should be crowned Queen?

I actually prefer the idea that the population of KL are cowed by what occurred and wouldn't risk an open rebellion in case she'd blow them up.

That's my preferred take as well; the "tragic accident" line is blatantly a lie to everyone, even in the slums, but the Sept of Baelor blew up in a day and age where explosions are very rare, and from last season we know the Mountain seems to just wander the city at times randomly smashing dissenter's heads. I like to think the place is very North Korea plastered-smiles and soiled-pants in atmosphere. Euron showing up probably feels like to requires celebration, and for al we know they look at a sadistic pirate king dressed like a glam rocker and think "hey, of this guy marries Cersei, the city might not blow the **** up."

I have mostly positive but wary feelings on this episode; dialogue and character moments were superb, but a lot of the conceptual elements for the plot were kind of graceless compared to what came before. For instance, I don't know if they really mean to make Tyrion come off as a bit foolish early in this season, but they've simultaneously given him two major strategic mistakes (each with questionable logic in some parts of their execution) and they've removed the element that made his KL tenure as acting Hand so good (nominal allies for him to outwit and outsmart). And the Iron Bank seems to clearly have been modified pretty heavily to accommodate pumping Cersei up; they're from abolitionist Braavos, and earlier expressed far less faith in House Lannister while Tywin was alive because they saw how inadequate Jamie and Cersei looked. It's the kind of scene that may have benefitted from just some subtler writing; like say, have Cersei threaten Nestoris by blackmailing him for prof fitting off the slave trade, and make the situation far more reluctant and less "Mwa-hahahaha!" In feeling.

But dang, did they hit the chemistry of the various scenes correctly.

 

[Sawyer]

 

[Sawyer]

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