Season 7, Episode 4 "The Spoils of War" Discussion Thread

Watch the scene in slow motion. You can clearly see Bronn was the one that pushed Jamie out of the way, and both landed in water, but unlike Jamie, Bronn has no armor to weigh him down. I'm going to assume Bronn will pull him out of the water, but just before they get killed by either the Dothraki or Dani, Tyrion will ride up and ask that they be held as live prisoners.

And I agree about Littlefinger. They seem to be setting it up for her to take him down.

And yes, Jamie was a fool. But, they did kind of ambushed them by surprise, would Jamie have been able to out run them?
That could well happen and if so would be good to see Tyrion and Jaime share some scenes again.
 
A scene like this with Arya and Littlefinger? haha

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But that's my point. What Brienne said doesn't mean she'd never seen Needle before.

Let's put it this way: you notice your neighbor's new car and talk with them about it, and then several years later you say "Hey, nice car!" like you just saw it for the first time.

No she didn't, she was making a very valid point that Arya was using an I'll suited weapon to spar with her. Which she was.

It also didn't help that the choreo they gave Ayra had her using cutting attacks with a weapon that can't cut.

But that's the stage combat stunt nerd in me coming out.

We are talking about the stuff before that when she commented on first the sword, and then the Valyrian steel dagger.

This is in reference to harlequinade's post about the sloppy writing, "Which Lady Stark?" standing as another example of it.
 
The Battle was very good this episode. I thought the Lannisters might have had a chance against the Dothraki until Drogon showed up. They had a water feature to their back and a chance to form a shield wall so they weren't definitely done for. Horse generally don't like running into spears or trying to run over fully armored adults. If the first couple of waves don't break the line the dead and dying horses and men create a natural wall that hinders the successive waves.

Dany is such a dip stick and has basically messed up her chances of a clean conquest. She'll have to release the Khalasar to plunder now which will reinforce the foreign barbarian conquest meme. Dollars to donuts she has to render Kings Landing to ash -- I'm willing to bet that that is the "bittersweet" ending Gurm was alluding to.

Yeah, she's acting more like a conquer now than a savior. Not to mention, she needlessly burned up valuable food and supplies for the winter, and valuable young able bodied men Jon could use for the war on the White Walkers. I was always wary of her, mostly because most of the power she got besides the dragons, she got in dishonorable ways. Makes me wonder, if she might end up being a villain in the end?
 
He was nasty to Sansa as well. His comments on her wedding night, the same night she was getting raped.

He wasn't nasty at all in that scene. He told her how beautiful she looked, that he was sorry for all the misfortune that happened to her, especially there in Winterfell. That's some sympathy, even if it was expressed in a transcendental manner.
 
We are talking about the stuff before that when she commented on first the sword, and then the Valyrian steel dagger.

This is in reference to harlequinade's post about the sloppy writing, "Which Lady Stark?" standing as another example of it.

Well no I was actually just talking about the part when she told her to use a different sword for their "fight". I didn't even remember the preceding comments, heh.
 
He wasn't nasty at all in that scene. He told her how beautiful she looked, that he was sorry for all the misfortune that happened to her, especially there in Winterfell. That's some sympathy, even if it was expressed in a transcendental manner.

Sorry, I don't feel that way. He seems distant to Sansa, while a bit more opened to Arya.
 
I read no spoilers about this either, but the fact that Arya seen Littlefinger conspiring with Tywin back in season 2 or 3, combined with the fact she was finally back in Winterfell, I came to the same conclusion. It could be why Bran gave her the dagger. He knows what she is going to do, and he wants to help her do it in his own way!

That's dope I love this new propet version of Bran.
 
Bran isn't really being nasty, just weird (in the way you'd expect a 3ER to be).
 
The episode leaked and broke the viewership record. Not what I expected. :funny:
 
I think most who watched the leak would want to watch it again in decent quality.
 
Yeah, she's acting more like a conquer now than a savior. Not to mention, she needlessly burned up valuable food and supplies for the winter, and valuable young able bodied men Jon could use for the war on the White Walkers. I was always wary of her, mostly because most of the power she got besides the dragons, she got in dishonorable ways. Makes me wonder, if she might end up being a villain in the end?

IT'S A FREAKING WAR!!!! In war, you kill the other side's soldiers, that's kind of how it works. People who keep saying "well she shouldn't have killed those men, blah blah blah" just show that they've never been in a war.

And now, she DIDN'T get everything in dishonorable way.

I'm sorry, but this notion that she's the villain, or going crazy, because she took out a legitimate military target (Jon would have done the same thing if he'd had a dragon while fighting the Bolton's, or Stannis at Blackwater) is ludicrous.

People let their dislike of her cause them to ignore context, logic, and reason.
 
Were those soldiers gentlemen when they razed Highgarden? Highly doubt it. Game of Thrones has pretty well established what happens when an army invades another city.
 
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IT'S A FREAKING WAR!!!! In war, you kill the other side's soldiers, that's kind of how it works. People who keep saying "well she shouldn't have killed those men, blah blah blah" just show that they've never been in a war.

And now, she DIDN'T get everything in dishonorable way.

I'm sorry, but this notion that she's the villain, or going crazy, because she took out a legitimate military target (Jon would have done the same thing if he'd had a dragon while fighting the Bolton's, or Stannis at Blackwater) is ludicrous.

People let their dislike of her cause them to ignore context, logic, and reason.

Why are you wasting your time?...
 
I think most who watched the leak would want to watch it again in decent quality.
Agreed. The leak seemed to help ratings. Probably because everyone who saw it was like "OMG!!! OMG!!!" and hyped it up.

Almost feel sorry for the people who just demanded a ransom from HBO or more leaks will happen. HBO will probably just say, "Go ahead...and thanks for the ratings".
 
IT'S A FREAKING WAR!!!! In war, you kill the other side's soldiers, that's kind of how it works. People who keep saying "well she shouldn't have killed those men, blah blah blah" just show that they've never been in a war.

And now, she DIDN'T get everything in dishonorable way.

I'm sorry, but this notion that she's the villain, or going crazy, because she took out a legitimate military target (Jon would have done the same thing if he'd had a dragon while fighting the Bolton's, or Stannis at Blackwater) is ludicrous.

People let their dislike of her cause them to ignore context, logic, and reason.
Aye, I'd go along with all of this. Dany just finally started what she had threatened to do from the moment season 1 opened. Uncomfortable viewing of course seeing soldiers terrified before being burnt to a crisp but it's war, and seeing the atrocities one side commits against another is meant to be easily digestible.

I also find it a bit absurd that people (not necessarily here) are outraged over that comment the Dothraki made towards Tyrion. A boastful and cold Dothraki ignorant in victory.....well I never.
 
Danny's not displayed any "Mad Queen" tendencies in the field of battle; what she's shown is some impatience, a justified impulse for quick conquering, and a fury at her Hand being outplayed (admittedly by accelerated plot conveniences and simplifications that didn't exist in earlier seasons). But she's still shown enough control and wisdom to listen to her councilors, and when she's found one lacking, to seek still more advice. She is effectively conducting herself in the opposite manner of both the Mad King and the new Mad Queen Cersei.

Jon does have a point in backing Tyrion's decision not to burn the Red Keep, and she clearly decides that is the right choice afterwards, though I think the show could have won a few more points by having some decent arguments behind it: the Red Keep is not Harrenhall, where the vast sum fo the denizens are part of Harren the Black's military machine, and where dragonfire's impact has limited civilian death, the Red Keep is the central castle for a huge capital city, into which Lannister forces are likely to retreat once the castle is shown compromised, promising that the civilians who are held unwillingly within the city gates will be slaughtered. And doing so won't just make Dany like everyone else, it'll also likely encourage a decentralized resistance which can bring down her dragons (see Dorne when Rhaenys attacked it.)

The biggest vice she's shown in her conduct with Westerosi was pragmatically giving Yara some autonomy in exchange for an alliance but still demanding Jon Snow bend the knee and refusing to acknowledge his title in public; but that's not mad, that's just either inconsistent, or an example of her pragmatism when she needed ships. The only fear I have for her right now is that she'll be diplomatically bullheaded in victory, harm a possible alliance with the North, and needlessly firm up Cersei's resistance and the Lannister faction's glue by ignoring political pragmatism. It sure looks like she's trying a more "stick" approach to Jon in next episode.
 
How can anyone say she hasn't shown any "Mad" tendencies? During her councils, someone is convincing her not to do the crazy thing... the madness is there, she's just not letting it consume her.
 
I'm surprised there aren't some Jaws "smile you son of a *****" memes/gifs out there
 

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