Shane Black Directing Predator Sequel! - Part 1

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Predator 2 is a 7/10 movie and an enjoyable one. 1997 L.A. with laser guns is a cool idea and brings something else to these movies. I appreciate the different approach as it could have easily been the biggest rehash ever. Danny Glover, Bill Paxton and Garey Busey? **** yeah! With an awesome ending to boot.
 
I liked Predators a lot too. Really cool. Never seen Predator 2. Will have to in September when I'll just marathon the 3

I really liked the characters in Predators, particularly Brody and Braga. Topher was awful though and his big reveal at the end was predictable and beyond stupid. I also think the movie needed more preds. There were only like, 3 of them, I think? The trailers were misleading and made it look like the humans were facing an army.
 
Predator 2 is a 7/10 movie and an enjoyable one. 1997 L.A. with laser guns is a cool idea and brings something else to these movies. I appreciate the different approach as it could have easily been the biggest rehash ever. Danny Glover, Bill Paxton and Garey Busey? **** yeah! With an awesome ending to boot.

Correction. They didn’t have laser guns. They had laser sights on their guns. Virtually unheard of when the movie came out. Today they’re on just about every cops’ sidearm.
 
I really liked the characters in Predators, particularly Brody and Braga. Topher was awful though and his big reveal at the end was predictable and beyond stupid. I also think the movie needed more preds. There were only like, 3 of them, I think? The trailers were misleading and made it look like the humans were facing an army.

I disagree with you on there not being enough Predators in the movie.

While I will agree that the trailers were misleading in making it look like they were facing an entire army of Predators, even three Predators was far too many.

In the first movie only ONE Predator managed to wipe out Arnie’s entire team of highly trained and heavily armed commandos. Not just a group of individuals, but a TEAM. A team that had worked together for years. Who knew and trusted one another. Who would fight to protect his fellow team mates, or avenge them. The Predator also killed an entire team of elite commandos off screen earlier in the film (the skinned bodies found hanging in the trees). Maybe they weren’t quite as good as Dutch’s team, but they were still highly skilled and heavily armed.

In the second movie it took ONE Predator to take out an entire team of highly trained and heavily armed cops, plus two entire gangs of criminals, and a team of highly trained and heavily armed government agents who were actually prepared to face a Predator.

But then in Predators it takes not one, not two, but THREE Predators to take on a rag-tag group of killers. Granted, each of them were probably the best in their region. Russian Spetznaz, Israeli sniper, Yakuza assassin (likely an expert in ninjutsu), American Special Forces (Navy SEAL, Green Beret, Marine Recon, whatever). Some of the others were just guys with guns. The guy from the African death squad and the Mexican cartel enforcer specifically. Then the convict and the serial killer were essentially unarmed (well the convict had a shank). These people didn’t know each other. They didn’t trust each other. Many of them didn’t even like each other. They pretty much only stayed together because the script said so. Even if you can believe that they would stay together for mutual protection, they still weren’t a team. Given time the mercenary, The Russian and the sniper could have developed that kind of group dynamic. Maybe even the assassin as well. But the rest of them weren’t “team players”.

And yet, these three Predators were incapable of hunting down and killing this group of individuals (again, not a TEAM, but a group of INDIVIDUALS). These must have been the three most incompetent hunters on the entire Predator home planet.

Oh! And they weren’t even the regular Predators that we were introduced to in the earlier movies either! They were SUPER Predators! THREE Super Predators who were incapable of hunting down and killing a group of individuals who were lost, didn’t know each other, didn’t trust each other, didn’t like each other, and in some cases wanted to kill each other.

Seriously, these Predators were the biggest bunch of p*$$ies I had ever seen in a Predator movie.
 
I disagree with you on there not being enough Predators in the movie.

While I will agree that the trailers were misleading in making it look like they were facing an entire army of Predators, even three Predators was far too many.

In the first movie only ONE Predator managed to wipe out Arnie’s entire team of highly trained and heavily armed commandos. Not just a group of individuals, but a TEAM. A team that had worked together for years. Who knew and trusted one another. Who would fight to protect his fellow team mates, or avenge them. The Predator also killed an entire team of elite commandos off screen earlier in the film (the skinned bodies found hanging in the trees). Maybe they weren’t quite as good as Dutch’s team, but they were still highly skilled and heavily armed.

In the second movie it took ONE Predator to take out an entire team of highly trained and heavily armed cops, plus two entire gangs of criminals, and a team of highly trained and heavily armed government agents who were actually prepared to face a Predator.

But then in Predators it takes not one, not two, but THREE Predators to take on a rag-tag group of killers. Granted, each of them were probably the best in their region. Russian Spetznaz, Israeli sniper, Yakuza assassin (likely an expert in ninjutsu), American Special Forces (Navy SEAL, Green Beret, Marine Recon, whatever). Some of the others were just guys with guns. The guy from the African death squad and the Mexican cartel enforcer specifically. Then the convict and the serial killer were essentially unarmed (well the convict had a shank). These people didn’t know each other. They didn’t trust each other. Many of them didn’t even like each other. They pretty much only stayed together because the script said so. Even if you can believe that they would stay together for mutual protection, they still weren’t a team. Given time the mercenary, The Russian and the sniper could have developed that kind of group dynamic. Maybe even the assassin as well. But the rest of them weren’t “team players”.

And yet, these three Predators were incapable of hunting down and killing this group of individuals (again, not a TEAM, but a group of INDIVIDUALS). These must have been the three most incompetent hunters on the entire Predator home planet.

Oh! And they weren’t even the regular Predators that we were introduced to in the earlier movies either! They were SUPER Predators! THREE Super Predators who were incapable of hunting down and killing a group of individuals who were lost, didn’t know each other, didn’t trust each other, didn’t like each other, and in some cases wanted to kill each other.

Seriously, these Predators were the biggest bunch of p*$$ies I had ever seen in a Predator movie.

This is what happens when filmmakers and studios feel the need to up the ante. Be it for hype, merchandising, whatever.

Bigger! More! Better!

I agree, one Predator should be effective. By bringing in 3, they risked making them look incompetent (which they were, to a certain extent) ............... so the grandiose stuff comes at the expense of the storyline.

I know its name gets thrown about a lot, but Logan is a perfect example of how to craft a great storyline with emotion and tension and suspense without having to throw in even more explosions, more mutants, more CGi, more special effects. It was a very pared down Wolverine film compared to previous outings, yet said so much more. There's no reason a Predator film can't achieve the same with the proper approach.
 
Correction. They didn’t have laser guns. They had laser sights on their guns. Virtually unheard of when the movie came out. Today they’re on just about every cops’ sidearm.


Really? Would have thought those'd go way back before 1990.
 
Really? Would have thought those'd go way back before 1990.

They were available before 1990, but very expensive and therefore impractical to give to every police officer on the force. Today laser pointers are incredibly inexpensive and can be purchased at the dollar store to attach to your key ring for only a buck, so adding a laser sight to a sidearm is relatively easy and no longer restrictively expensive.
 
Nothing touches Predator 1 in my book, but I've gone from being very 'meh' about Predator 2 - when it was released - to quite liking it. Rewatched it a few months ago and it's certainly a lot more enjoyable than anything that's come since.

What I'd really like to see at some point is a Predator film set in a different time period. Why not? They've been coming to Earth for many hundreds of years according to Predator 2, and possibly thousands of years if you follow the AvP canon.

The Predator on the loose in feudal samurai Japan? Yes please.


Or take a different angle entirely, and move into the future. Predator vs a much more technologically advanced humanity? Again, yes please.

I have been saying this for years. I had listed a whole bunch of periods in history when a Predator could turn up and make for a great movie. These include:

Feudal Japan (Predator vs Samurai and/or Ninja)

Ancient Greece (Predator vs Spartan)

The Wild West (Predator vs Cowboys/US Cavalry and/or Apache Indians)

Medieval Europe (Predator vs Knights)

Ancient Rome (Predator vs Roman Centurion)

Ancient Scandinavia (Predator vs Vikings)

World War II (Predator vs Allied and/or German/Japanese soldiers)

Vietnam War (Predator vs US Soldiers and/or NVA/VC)

I could go on and on. Personally I like the “Predator vs Viking” idea. Every summer some of the men from a Viking village go missing. Sometimes they are simply never heard from again. Other times their bodies are found, either without their heads, without their skins, or sometimes both. The killings are blamed on a monster that the Vikings have named Grendel. The leader of the village sends out a request for help. A longboat arrives carrying a man who, along with his crew, agrees to take on the challenge of slaying this monster. The viking’s name? Beowulf! And thus the legend has been born.

In fact, Predators on the hunt could be used as the origins of any number of legendary monsters. One hunting in medieval Europe could be the origin of ogres or trolls. One hunting on Apache land could be the origin of the Sasquatch or the windigo. One hunting in Ancient Greece could be the origin of the legend of Theseus and the Minotaur. The possibilities are almost endless.
 
The period piece thing, while making total sense for the series, I feel would just come off really gimmicky.
 
I'd love to see something based in the Predator home-world just showing the workings of their society. No humans. All subtitled. Would be interesting as hell but the downside is that it would also destroy their mystique and, quite frankly, I'm not sure how many numbers it would draw.
 
Yeah, no need for a period piece Predator. Shane Black helming a sequel and co-writing it with Fred Dekker is as good as it gets. And the cast is FIRE! September can't come soon enough!
 
Yeah, man I hope this is good. It should be, with Black at the helm, I'm not entirely sold on the concept though. But it's Shane, sure he's got something up his sleeve.

God I wish Ahnuld hadn't turned down his cameo though. Schwarzenegger & Glover as PTSD guys in some government facility ranting & raving at Jake Busey's character about how they took the ****ers down would be beyond amazing.
 
Predator fighting in different eras works easily and can be done in movies but you would need this movie to be successful.
 
I'd love to see something based in the Predator home-world just showing the workings of their society. No humans. All subtitled. Would be interesting as hell but the downside is that it would also destroy their mystique and, quite frankly, I'm not sure how many numbers it would draw.

This would be interesting also.

The Predators are obviously an advanced species with serious mastery of technology, but so far it's been hard to picture them as scientists or doing R&D - their aggressive, animal-like nature does not sit comfortably with that image of one of them in a lab coat :D

Now I assume we've only been introduced to one faction of them so far (the hunters, who track other species for sport), and much as how you'll tend to only encounter human hunters on safari in Kenya rather than nuclear scientists, we probably have yet to see the Predators who build the spaceships, who create the weapons, who devise their camouflage technology. It would be fascinating to see how their society is made up.

I've thought once or twice before about the possibility also that the Predators have never been scientists or the like, and their technology has been taken from another species - perhaps one they conquered, and these consider the tech as spoils of war. And in that scenario, all Predators are aggressive, hunter types.
 
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Nothing is shot in 3D anymore except Avatar or like Bay's transformers. 3D sucks and it was a crappy, pointless gimmick and a pointless expense on studios and moviegoers. Audiences got wise. They don't need or want 3D. They just want sharper, crisper image and better sound.
 
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