Shane Black Directing Predator Sequel! - Part 2

[Da-Scribe]

There is a good joke to be made about the use of the word "Predator".

It's honestly wild to me how tone deaf this whole thing is on Black's part.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The question is why is Black still associating with this guy? I get people make mistakes in life but there are mistakes and errors of judgment, and then there's trying to bed 14 year old girls, not the same thing, and not forgiveable IMO, you cut someone like that loose immediately.

 

[Mandon Knight]

There is a good joke to be made about the use of the word "Predator".

No there isn't.

 

[Dugath]

The question is why is Black still associating with this guy? I get people make mistakes in life but there are mistakes and errors of judgment, and then there's trying to bed 14 year old girls, not the same thing, and not forgiveable IMO, you cut someone like that loose immediately.

Black issued an apology Thursday afternoon for casting Steven Wilder Striegel in a scene opposite Olivia Munn: “Having read this morning’s news reports, it has sadly become clear to me that I was misled by a friend I really wanted to believe was telling me the truth when he described the circumstances of his conviction. I believe strongly in giving people second chances – but sometimes you discover that chance is not as warranted as you may have hoped.”

“After learning more about the affidavit, transcripts and additional details surrounding Steve Striegel’s sentence, I am deeply disappointed in myself. I apologize to all of those, past and present, I’ve let down by having Steve around them without giving them a voice in the decision,” Black added.

 

[Da-Scribe]

The question is why is Black still associating with this guy? I get people make mistakes in life but there are mistakes and errors of judgment, and then there's trying to bed 14 year old girls, not the same thing, and not forgiveable IMO, you cut someone like that loose immediately.

Eh, I'm not making excuses for this guy. But as far as why Black would keep him in his life, we don't really know the nature of their friendship and if Black knew the full details. It was still stupid of him to cast him in this movie, in that specific scene, without the knowledge of the cast and crew...in movie literally called The Predator. But as far as still keeping him as a friend and trying to help him, I won't fault him for that.

 

[HammerDown]

There is a good joke to be made about the use of the word "Predator".

I gotta say that this exact thought came to mind.
Adding a real life predator would have really up the ante for this sequel.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Eh, I'm not making excuses for this guy. But as far as why Black would keep him in his life, we don't really know the nature of their friendship and if Black knew the full details. It was still stupid of him to cast him in this movie, in that specific scene, without the knowledge of the cast and crew...in movie literally called The Predator. But as far as still keeping him as a friend and trying to help him, I won't fault him for that.

Does Shane Black not have the internet or something?

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Enriquespy]

No there isn't.

I mean, not an appropriate one, of course...

 

[Da-Scribe]

Does Shane Black not have the internet or something?

All I'm saying is this guy was his friend before all this for years. Things go down and this guy he trusts is like "It's not what they're saying it is." And maybe Black really believed him and just moved on from there until one day he sees all the details of the crime plastered all over his news feed.

Like, it's not inconceivable to me that Black just believed in the word of his friend and thought he could help him. And I'm not condoning how Black handled everything. Just saying, I can potentially get why he allowed this person to stay in his life.

 

[Holiday]

Who does he think he is, Bryan Singer?

 

[Mandon Knight]

Black has released a 'statement' in response and frankly it's 'wishy washy' at best. This is a s**t-storm, of his own making. Utter mess and what a idiot.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

All I'm saying is this guy was his friend before all this for years. Things go down and this guy he trusts is like "It's not what they're saying it is." And maybe Black really believed him and just moved on from there until one day he sees all the details of the crime plastered all over his news feed.

Like, it's not inconceivable to me that Black just believed in the word of his friend and thought he could help him. And I'm not condoning how Black handled everything. Just saying, I can potentially get why he allowed this person to stay in his life.

I get that. The problem is it was willful ignorance, which Shane agreed it was in his second "apology". This wasn't a mistake or something he didn't do. He didn't want to know the whole truth, because it was his friend. So he decided to listen to the words of a convicted felony on charges involving a minor. One look at what the guy did shows exactly how much BS that is. So to avoid that issue, he purposely avoided info so he wouldn't have to confront it. Even what his buddy describes is all time gross.

This is a good example of what the MeToo movement has exposed. Shane Black was fine giving work to a convicted felony who was grooming a minor for rape. Like as long if you don't look too close, its not your fault you hired or worked for such a person.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I get that. The problem is it was willful ignorance, which Shane agreed it was in his second "apology". This wasn't a mistake or something he didn't do. He didn't want to know the whole truth, because it was his friend. So he decided to listen to the words of a convicted felony on charges involving a minor. One look at what the guy did shows exactly how much BS that is. So to avoid that issue, he purposely avoided info so he wouldn't have to confront it. Even what his buddy describes is all time gross.

This is a good example of what the MeToo movement has exposed. Shane Black was fine giving work to a convicted felony who was grooming a minor for rape.

I only saw the statement where Black commented on being misled by the guy. Didn't see the stuff about willfully avoiding info. That's another issue entirely that's a lot more inexplicable.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I only saw the statement where Black commented on being misled by the guy. Didn't see the stuff about willfully avoiding info. That's another issue entirely that's a lot more inexplicable.

But that right there is willful ignorance, which is basically what he is apologizing for. The only way he could be misled is if he just believed the guy without second thought. The convicted felony, who spent six months in jail and had to register as a sex offender.

 

[Da-Scribe]

But that right there is willful ignorance, which is basically what he is apologizing for. The only way he could be misled is if he just believed the guy without second thought. The convicted felony, who spent six months in jail and had to register as a sex offender.

I don't consider trusting someone you care about to be willful ignorance. I'm not saying Black is in the right. But I don't think having faith in a friend is the same as actively avoiding the truth. A fine line I suppose. Still, he handled it terribly all the same.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't consider trusting someone you care about to be willful ignorance. I'm not saying Black is in the right. But I don't think having faith in a friend is the same as actively avoiding the truth. A fine line I suppose. Still, he handled it terribly all the same.

Every sexual predator has friends or family. The idea that it is okay to trust them just because you care about them, no matter the evidence, no matter what they admit to, is exactly what willful ignorance is. Why you do it, is irrelevant. It was Black's choice to believe a convicted sexual predator of children for why he had to go to jail for 6 months and register as a sex offender.

 

[TheVileOne]

Is Shane Black's apology sincere? Should he be taken at his word?

 

[Verbal21]

Also he was cast in a role that apparently involved him repeatedly hitting on Olivia Munn's character. Olivia Munn, who's already had bad experiences with sexual harassment in Hollywood and has been open about it. And Black didn't tell her about it either it would seem. Like this is tone-deaf on EVERY possible level.

Maybe he’s just a method actor?

 

[TheVileOne]

Just curious if people find the explanation and apology sincere?

 

[Da-Scribe]

Every sexual predator has friends or family. The idea that it is okay to trust them just because you care about them, no matter the evidence, no matter what they admit to, is exactly what willful ignorance is. Why you do it, is irrelevant. It was Black's choice to believe a convicted sexual predator of children for why he had to go to jail for 6 months and register as a sex offender.

Breh, you seem to want to argue with me that Black is in the wrong. I've never said otherwise. I only said I can get why Black might've kept him in his life if they were a) close and b) he genuinely was not aware of the actual evidence. Again, I am not saying it was the right choice on his part. I'm only saying there is a difference between someone not knowing anything beyond what they've been told by a person they care about vs. knowing that there is additional info out there and actively avoiding it. And one more time just to be clear, I'm not saying the former is okay. I'm just saying that I can at least understand how that can happen.

 

[Lencho01]

Twentieth Century Fox pulls scene from 'The Predator' after director Shane Black casts his friend, a registered sex offender

Yikes. Fox is lucky it just amounts to about 3 minutes of footage and they got it out before the film's release.

 

[terry78]

I know that dude is probably pissed at Munn right now. Not that she was in the wrong per se.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Is Shane Black's apology sincere? Should he be taken at his word?

When you need to issue two different statements in one day, what equals sincere? And even if he is sincere, what does it mean that he was so willing to believe a sexual predator of children?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Breh, you seem to want to argue with me that Black is in the wrong. I've never said otherwise. I only said I can get why Black might've kept him in his life if they were a) close and b) he genuinely was not aware of the actual evidence. Again, I am not saying it was the right choice on his part. I'm only saying there is a difference between someone not knowing anything beyond what they've been told by a person they care about vs. knowing that there is additional info out there and actively avoiding it. And one more time just to be clear, I'm not saying the former is okay. I'm just saying that I can at least understand how that can happen.

I don't want to argue with you and I don't feel like I am. I am sorry if it is coming off that way, it is not my intent. I am just stating my pov on this. I also don't think you are trying to justify anything. I think I get you, and it more then makes sense to me.

The bold part to me is a distinction without a difference. He kept himself in the dark over a situation because it was his friend. That to me is being willfully ignorant. That he decided to be willfully ignorant because it was his friend, does not change that to me. Does it make it more understandable why he did it? Yeah, I agree it does. But considering what it was, I feel like that is a mark against him, friend or not. This wasn't petty theft or something like that. This was grooming a minor relative to rape.