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Civil War She'll put a hex on you! The official Scarlet Witch thread - Part 1

I don't like how they turned Cap's movie into another Avengers movie at first I thought they would make a solo Cap movie, but no instead they made a another Avengers movie. :csad: You don't push aside the main character and their love interest for minor characters, instead of focusing on Staron they focused on Scarlet Vision, and really I want a director who respects the source material instead of cramming all these different characters that has nothing do with Cap. :csad:
If you're not being sarcastic then.......THIS!

I don't mind Wanda/Vision, but like save it for an Avengers movie and give the screen time to Cap and Sharon because it's suppose to be his movie. W/V's 2.45 mins kitchen scene, and Cap/Nat's church scene was LONGER than Staron's hotel scene of around a minute I think. It's so obvious that the Russos don't care for Sharon, Staron, and/or EVC. That's equivalent to Lois being shortchanged in a Superman movie for Catwoman. Thor and Iron Man's movies are centered around their mythos and yet Cap's not. I'm still waiting for a true sequel to Cap's origin movie.
 
If you're not being sarcastic then.......THIS!

I don't mind Wanda/Vision, but like save it for an Avengers movie and give the screen time to Cap and Sharon because it's suppose to be his movie. W/V's 2.45 mins kitchen scene, and Cap/Nat's church scene was LONGER than Staron's hotel scene of around a minute I think. It's so obvious that the Russos don't care for Sharon, Staron, and/or EVC. That's equivalent to Lois being shortchanged in a Superman movie for Catwoman. Thor and Iron Man's movies are centered around their mythos and yet Cap's not. I'm still waiting for a true sequel to Cap's origin movie.

True. While I personally love Wanda/Vision way more than Cap/Sharon, I do feel that they should either have spent more time developing Cap/Sharon or just completely left it out. I'm really hoping to see more Wanda/Vision in Infinity war and even in phase 4 though. One of the most classic, iconic and unique relationships from the comics :)
 
For anyone not familiar with the comics, this is actually a fantastic short summary by Elizabeth Olsen on the Scarlet Witch. Definitely worth checking out

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[YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z7bZOJV3v8[/YT]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z7bZOJV3v8
 
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I don't mind romance I just like action more really the only reason why I like Wanda is because her connection to Magneto/X-Men.

Wanda is not a mutant and she isn't related to Magneto. She is an altered human in both the MCU and in post-Secret Wars Marvel Universe. All bridges with Magneto and the X-Men have been burned. She is an Avenger.
 
Wanda is not a mutant and she isn't related to Magneto. She is an altered human in both the MCU and in post-Secret Wars Marvel Universe. All bridges with Magneto and the X-Men have been burned. She is an Avenger.

Yeah, for better or worse, her origins have been retconned
 
I don't mind romance I just like action more really the only reason why I like Wanda is because her connection to Magneto/X-Men.

She's barely had a connection to the X-men. Unlike Quicksilver, once she became an Avenger, any X-ties she had were severed outside of Magneto. She's never gotten involved in mutant issues and rarely ever associated with the team once becoming a hero

So basically, whether its good or bad, you hate any movie that has an actual romantic subplot in it?

to be fair, the MCU isnt good at romance. None of the actors have that type of chemistry, it tends to be forced and/or the pairings suck
 
If you're not being sarcastic then.......THIS!

I don't mind Wanda/Vision, but like save it for an Avengers movie and give the screen time to Cap and Sharon because it's suppose to be his movie. W/V's 2.45 mins kitchen scene, and Cap/Nat's church scene was LONGER than Staron's hotel scene of around a minute I think. It's so obvious that the Russos don't care for Sharon, Staron, and/or EVC. That's equivalent to Lois being shortchanged in a Superman movie for Catwoman. Thor and Iron Man's movies are centered around their mythos and yet Cap's not. I'm still waiting for a true sequel to Cap's origin movie.

I'm not how can we like Sharon/Staron if they don't take the time to develop it. As for Wanda the first time I saw her was in X-Men Evolution, that's why I always see her as Magneto's daughter. :yay:
 
to be fair, the MCU isnt good at romance. None of the actors have that type of chemistry, it tends to be forced and/or the pairings suck

I generally agree with you. Bruce/Natasha was atrocious and Thor/Jane was mediocre at best. However, I do feel that the character development done by the writers as well as the chemistry between Paul and Elizabeth has been pretty good so far. That's part of the reason I'm keen to see the Vision/Wanda relationship continue
 
Wanda is not a mutant and she isn't related to Magneto. She is an altered human in both the MCU and in post-Secret Wars Marvel Universe. All bridges with Magneto and the X-Men have been burned. She is an Avenger.

Quicksilver's origin has been re-conned as well, but Fox can still continue to use him as a mutant. Maybe Marvel should re-con all the mutants into an Inhuman or an altered human being in the comics then.

:sly:
 
Quicksilver's origin has been re-conned as well, but Fox can still continue to use him as a mutant. Maybe Marvel should re-con all the mutants into an Inhuman or an altered human being in the comics then.

:sly:

The Maximoffs are the only ones that Marvel can use, because of their joining the Avengers early in the team's history.
 
I don't mind romance I just like action more really the only reason why I like Wanda is because her connection to Magneto/X-Men.

Which is a relatively minor part of her character, and almost non-existent prior to Disassembled. She spent decades long stretches of time with no activity or relationship with the X-Men or mutant plots in general.
 
Which is a relatively minor part of her character, and almost non-existent prior to Disassembled. She spent decades long stretches of time with no activity or relationship with the X-Men or mutant plots in general.

Yup, she's always been an Avenger first and foremost, above her relationships to the X men, Inhumans or any other groups
 
Being Magneto's daughter was a retcon in and of itself. When Pietro and Wanda showed up as part of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, they were not children of Magneto.

It's gone back and forth over time. I realize people who quote from X-men Evolutions which was it's own thing and not connected to any other Marvel property, but that Wanda never existed in the comics. The "Peter Maximoff" in DOFP and XMA is basically the QS from X-men evolutions with a bit of Wally West thrown in. He is of no relation to the comic counter part.

The Wanda in the MCU despite origins or anything else is basically the Wanda from the comics. Some of the crossover event comics are the only ones that have played on Wanda's relation to her father.

At this point neither she nor Quicksilver are mutants in the comics or the MCU films.
 
http://www.btchflcks.com/2016/05/wh...e-marvel-cinematic-universe.html#.V0U_AZrmqpp

There is a lot to dissect in Captain America: Civil War, which is what makes it so compelling to watch. It’s a film overflowing with political allegory and highly anticipated character introductions, building to perhaps the most emotional climax to a superhero film ever seen. It is therefore understandable that most of the reviews and buzz around the film don’t seem too interested in the small role Elizabeth Olsen’s Scarlet Witch plays in the greater plot machinations of the superhero showdown. This is kind of a shame because her character arc gives me hope for the other women superheroes in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), whose treatment of their all too few female characters in the past has been checkered at best.
Introduced in Avengers: Age of Ultron alongside her brother Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch (Wanda Maximoff)’s entrance into the MCU seemed to be more of a result of Marvel’s endless pissing contest with Fox rather than anyone actually wanting to do something interesting with the character. Sure, she gets to mess with the Avengers’ minds and rips out Ultron’s mechanical heart, but she never feels like a three-dimensional human. Instead, she exists more as a tool to move pieces into place and create conflict within the team. Though not at quite the same level as the treatment Black Widow gets in the film, which some people saw as tantamount to character assassination, Wanda’s introduction is, like the rest of the film, a bit underwhelming.
Imagine my surprise when leaving Civil War, the first thing I wanted to do was read House of M so I could fall in love with Scarlet Witch’s comic counterpart as well as her movie form. In Civil War, Scarlet Witch doesn’t just drive the plot forward but she’s allowed to exist as a fully formed young woman, all without undermining the fact that she is the most powerful character that has been introduced into the MCU so far. That is so exciting to me it’s kind of ridiculous. It’s also no small feat considering incredible unbridled power in the hands of a young woman is something that pop culture often fails to portray with any nuance. As film critic Bob Chipman commented, in traditional storytelling, “Male characters that get power can be destructive if they abuse it, but female characters with power will be destructive period.” This is not the case here.
In the opening of Civil War, an incident in Lagos results in major civilian casualties due, at least in part, to Wanda’s actions. Although, Captain America himself admits that he, as their leader is responsible, the wider world decides that Scarlet Witch is the one who cannot be trusted, perhaps since she isn’t the all-American hero Steve Rogers is. For a short time, she is public enemy number one and she reacts in a deeply emotional and human way, questioning her own actions and purpose as an Avenger. One of the worst tropes of modern action screenwriting is the “strong woman,” the omni-competent badass who on the surface is empowered but realistically is devoid of any complexity or characterization. Here Wanda is the antithesis of that, a young woman who is at once undeniably strong but emotionally complex, perhaps even a little fragile. It may be a small plot point in the broad scheme of the film but it’s a moment of subtle and important character development. Rather than breaking down entirely or being completely without remorse, the film presents Wanda’s guilt as both understandable and authentic, but most importantly, something that strengthens her as the plot progresses.
Having a superhero grapple with the right use of their power is hardly a new theme and it’s central to the broader narrative of Civil War. But allowing a female superhero to tackle the same dilemma on a deeply personal level feels quietly subversive. Wanda’s powers aren’t a curse and haven’t corrupted her, like with so many female characters, but she also learns that as her abilities grow so will the consequences of her actions. “With great power comes great responsibility,” is a well-worn superhero trope but it’s normally one reserved for men.
Even the traditional and potentially problematic elements of Wanda’s relationships with the other characters are resolved in a satisfying way. Her relationship with Vision is sweet, genuine, and has none of the clumsy melodrama of Black Widow and Bruce Banner’s forced romance (despite how I sound, I don’t actually hate Age of Ultron). Their relationship is based on mutual experiences of feeling like the “other” in a world that doesn’t quite know how to react to them and the burden possessing a greater power they don’t quite understand. Furthermore, when it becomes clear that Vision is willing to keep Wanda in the Avengers compound against her will, in one of the coolest moments in the film, Wanda makes it abundantly clear that even Vision isn’t strong enough to stop her from doing what she wants.
In fact, Tony Stark and Vision not trusting Wanda is a huge part of why she chooses Team Cap; she’s strong enough to leave a team when she knows she’s not respected. In one of my favorite interactions in the film, Wanda accuses Tony of trying to lock her in her room and when he tells her it was for her own good, she responds by dropping a car park on his head. While her surrogate father figures, Captain American and Hawkeye, refer to her as just a kid, Wanda’s heroic displays in the now legendary airport scene show that she can handle herself and her powers just fine.
Maybe this is what really gets to the heart of why I’m so jazzed about Scarlet Witch in this movie and the potential of Captain Marvel, the Wasp and the future women in the MCU (personally, I’m praying for Squirrel Girl). With the right script and actress — Elizabeth Olsen really is stellar here — Civil War proves that women superheroes can be inhumanly powerful without being reduced to a boringly infallible female badass caricature. The conclusion of Wanda’s mini character arc consists of learning and empowerment. As Vision warns her, that choosing Captain America’s side will mean people will never stop fearing her power, she replies, “I cannot control their fear, only my own.” Forget Team Cap or Team Iron Man, that sounds like a woman whose team I want to be on.
 
No. I dont think that would have worked with his characterization, nor would it have worked for the plot to have the allegiances lopsided in Cap's favor
 
I assumed that would've happened at the airport battle so I don't imagine Vision would've spent much time on Cap's team.
 
http://those-celestial-bodies.tumbl...rently-there-were-plans-for-vision-to-turn-on

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Would you have preferred it if Vision had turned against Iron Man?

I wouldn't have minded as that scene of him disabling Iron Man's armor is super iconic in the civil war comic. However, I do feel that him sticking to his beliefs instead of just switching sides for Wanda is good. Will make their reunion all the sweeter since they both love each other but are still principled people who stuck to their ideals
 

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