shooter on the va tech campus

[ShadowBoxing]

Here's a fun fact, 300,000 innocent people have been murdered in Darfur but most Americans don't give a damn but when a couple of dozen American kids die it's a horrible tragedy that deserves weeks of media coverage and deep reflection.

However, truth be told, the tragedy in Virginia more directly affects us. While I doubt any college student or parents of said student is worried about African Rebel armies capturing them at night, I would say they are both very worried about the potential for a college student to open fire on his fellow classmates.

The guy next door to me Sophomore year, after stalking me for an extended period of time, killed himself. I, we, all noticed he was an extremely volitile individual. And thankfully, despite the tragic outcome, he did not take those feelings out on others...for I surely would have been a target. So this problem hits very close to home, whereas Darfur does not.

Furthermore the fact that you know about Darfur proves coverage is being given. Although perhaps it is not on the major national news networks their viewers are mostly American citizens, and therefore they must speak to them on their level. However that doesn't mean the messages of Darfur and Invisible Children programs aren't reaching the people with other methods. In fact if you bother to read a newspaper you'd find that beyond the front page a lot of those stories are being covered.

The Television news is merely a supplement to the whole story. It deals with, and usually illuminates, the major issue of the day (week), whereas papers and journals may give you more in depth reports on issues like Darfur.

 

[blind_fury]

So...what happened in Virginia isn't a tragedy because there are worse things going on in other countries?

It is a tragedy and deserves plenty of media attention.

But so does an ongoing genocide.

Dare I say it but the ongoing genocide of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children quite possibly deserves slightly more attention than an isolated school shooting.

 

[Milkman95]

Damn, the blind fury debate totally overshadowed my link to this Nutball's Short Stories..........

 

[Erzengel]

It is a tragedy and deserves plenty of media attention.

But so does an ongoing genocide.

Dare I say it but the ongoing genocide of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children quite possibly deserves slightly more attention than an isolated school shooting.

My local news did 5 minutes on the Virginia shooting and 20 minutes on the Nor'Easter.

 

[blind_fury]

However, truth be told, the tragedy in Virginia more directly affects us. While I doubt any college student or parents of said student is worried about African Rebel armies capturing them at night, I would say they are both very worried about the potential for a college student to open fire on his fellow classmates.

The guy next door to me Sophomore year, after stalking me for an extended period of time, killed himself. I, we, all noticed he was an extremely volitile individual. And thankfully, despite the tragic outcome, he did not take those feelings out on others...for I surely would have been a target. So this problem hits very close to home, whereas Darfur does not.

Furthermore the fact that you know about Darfur proves coverage is being given. Although perhaps it is not on the major national news networks their viewers are mostly American citizens, and therefore they must speak to them on their level. However that doesn't mean the messages of Darfur and Invisible Children programs aren't reaching the people with other methods. In fact if you bother to read a newspaper you'd find that beyond the front page a lot of those stories are being covered.

The Television news is merely a supplement to the whole story. It deals with, and usually illuminates, the major issue of the day (week), whereas papers and journals may give you more in depth reports on issues like Darfur.

Ok so lets say Hitler never invaded other countries but started systematically killing millions of Jews and at the same time in Nebraska there's a school shooting with 2 dozen casualties. What should be the response of the media and American public? Do we ignore the genocide while proclaiming how tragic the school schooting is?

Hypocrisy much?

 

[Machx72]

Ok so lets say Hitler never invaded other countries but started systematically killing millions of Jews and at the same time in Nebraska there's a school shooting with 2 dozen casualties. What should be the response of the media and American public? Do we ignore the genocide while proclaiming how tragic the school schooting is?

Hypocrisy much?

Why do you not understand that this isn't a topic for debate... In the sense that whether or not we're concerned with it isn't up to you? Those of us who are closer to VTech and those who went there are affected by this personally.

Get over it, fury, there's no room for this argument, nor is there any want for it from the rest of us. We're here to pay respects and mourn the losses, not to decide whether or not VTech's deaths are more important than Darfur's refugees.

Media is just informing us on what's going on around the world... It only has the significance of giving us information.

Since this is a story that has unraveling information as we speak, it's natural that the media's going to air it. Since Darfur is [no disrespect intended] a single story with less and less coming from it, it's naturally not going to say much about it.

Deal with it.

 

[blind_fury]

Or blind_fury going to funerals to reprimand the families on how they could grieve when there are bigger atrocities happening right now in the world.

99.9999999% of the American public didn't have any friends or family at Virginia Tech. They were just as much strangers to us as women and children in Darfur. Geography be damned.

2 dozen people were killed and it's a horrible, horrible thing but the person who perpetrated the act is dead and gone. Currently at "Darfur Tech" the killer is still on the loose and your telling the refugees to go back to class.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Ok so lets say Hitler never invaded other countries but started systematically killing millions of Jews and at the same time in Nebraska there's a school shooting with 2 dozen casualties. What should be the response of the media and American public? Do we ignore the genocide while proclaiming how tragic the school schooting is?

Hypocrisy much?

Not really, because Hitler invading western powers was and would be today a pretty direct threat to our country whereas infighting between African Tribes, revolutionaries and reactionaries within African states is not.

Edit: If Hitler was merely systematically killing Jews in Germany, but NOT invading. So long as it wasn't spreading, no, it would not (and should not) recieve as much national news coverage.

 

[Demon Within]

Some odd things about this whole deal.

1) he bought the guns in march
2) he killed himself
3) he filed the serial numbers off

So this wasnt a revenge on a girlfriend deal because it was planned in advance. He filed the numbers off why??? If he was planning on killing himself anyway what would the point be in it?

 

[Erzengel]

99.9999999% of the American public didn't have any friends or family at Virginia Tech. They were just as much strangers to us as women and children in Darfur. Geography be damned.

2 dozen people were killed and it's a horrible, horrible thing but the person who perpetrated the act is dead and gone. Currently at "Darfur Tech" the killer is still on the loose and your telling the refugees to go back to class.

Then why don't you make a thread about it?

There's not a new thread springing up everytime there's a US Soilder killed in Iraq or Afghanistan. Does it make their deaths any less signficant.

This has nothing to do with that, Darfur or Virigina. This is about you trying to get on a soapbox to gain some attention to yourself and make yourself feel like you're better than everyone cause you see a bigger picture.

You said your peace here. This thread is about the tragedy in VA. An event people are still just finding out about. Let them discuss it in a thread that was created for the exact same topic.

Go create your own thread.

 

[WorthyStevens]

99.9999999% of the American public didn't have any friends or family at Virginia Tech. They were just as much strangers to us as women and children in Darfur. Geography be damned.

2 dozen people were killed and it's a horrible, horrible thing but the person who perpetrated the act is dead and gone. Currently at "Darfur Tech" the killer is still on the loose and your telling the refugees to go back to class.

It's funny. You're trying to act like you care about human rights, yet you're coming off as a *****e who's trying to justify one tragedy as more horrific than the other.

Both situations are terrible, get over it.

 

[Darthphere]

My tragedy is bigger than yours!

 

[Machx72]

Some odd things about this whole deal.

1) he bought the guns in march
2) he killed himself
3) he filed the serial numbers off

So this wasnt a revenge on a girlfriend deal because it was planned in advance. He filed the numbers off why??? If he was planning on killing himself anyway what would the point be in it?

Every one of the school shootings in the past that I've researched have always been planned events. To get this many deaths out of the plan, it would require months of planning.

I have no doubt in my mind he's got writings, pictures, or whatever possible, about this stashed away somewhere. The killers at Columbine had tons of pictures, writings, etc. in both their rooms and notebooks. Chances are incredibly slim he went after a girl, decided that she wasn't enough, and just blasted everyone in his path, taking out 32 people.

As for blind_fury: Who are you to make up numbers like that? There's thousands of students and faculty members at VTech, so I'd bet there's a large population of family members and friends of both victims and witnesses... Hence why cell phone lines were completely shut down yesterday in that area.

 

[WorthyStevens]

My tragedy is bigger than yours!

Nuh aw!

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Pop quiz hotshot...there's a gunman that has killed at least one person on your campus, he could still be walking around or he might not. What do you do?

Sarcastic but that's the point. The level of stupidity shown by these people is ridiculous. Bodies go cold very quickly after death, if the corpse is warm your shooter is nearby. Even if he doesn't plan to kill again, what if he gets in an argument on the way out?

If there's the slightest possibility he's still around YOU GO TO LOCKDOWN.

Stop being such a ****ing apologist

Security ****ed up, people died. THE UNIVERSITY HAS JUST AS MUCH BLOOD ON IT'S HANDS AS THE KOREAN KID

How much time passed between when the first person was killed and when the body was discovered? Were their any immediate clues as to who the killer was? How many people lived in the dorm? Are you gonna search every room for the killer? By the time the cops got to room 3 or 4, on the other side of campus the killer was striking again and unlike this murder it's now become just totally random.

Let's go with something else, they find the body, immediately identify that this is a girl who was involved with/being stalked by the killer, what do you do? Try to find the guy, how? Send someone to his dorm, maybe the English department? Or lock down the entire school because this kid killed a very specific person who he had problems with.

It's a hard call to make, the first murder doesn't necessarily suggest he'll strike again because it was a specific person and he probably had plenty of targets if he wanted to kill more people. A college campus like that is a town, if one person is murdered in a town, the town doestn't go into lockdown.

The University is not at fault, they don't have blood on their hands. The ******* who did this is at fault and carries the full weight.

 

[Machx72]

Then why don't you make a thread about it?

There's not a new thread springing up everytime there's a US Soilder killed in Iraq or Afghanistan. Does it make their deaths any less signficant.

This has nothing to do with that, Darfur or Virigina. This is about you trying to get on a soapbox to gain some attention to yourself and make yourself feel like you're better than everyone cause you see a bigger picture.

You said your peace here. This thread is about the tragedy in VA. An event people are still just finding out about. Let them discuss it in a thread that was created for the exact same topic.

Go create your own thread.

Way ahead of you, dude...

Fury, I have a gift for you:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11532655#post11532655

Now be quiet.

 

[blind_fury]

Why do you not understand that this isn't a topic for debate... In the sense that whether or not we're concerned with it isn't up to you? Those of us who are closer to VTech and those who went there are affected by this personally.

Yeah it's not up to me. It's up to the media. They decide what are epic tragedies and what isn't. The American public starts crying on cue. That's are far greater tragedy then any school shooting.

Get over it, fury, there's no room for this argument, nor is there any want for it from the rest of us. We're here to pay respects and mourn the losses, not to decide whether or not VTech's deaths are more important than Darfur's refugees.

Why are people mourning the loss of complete strangers? Because the tv told you too.

Media is just informing us on what's going on around the world... It only has the significance of giving us information.

Wow. That explains the non-stop Anna Nicole coverage.

Since this is a story that has unraveling information as we speak, it's natural that the media's going to air it. Since Darfur is [no disrespect intended] a single story with less and less coming from it, it's naturally not going to say much about it.

Deal with it.

your wrong. Darfur is three hundred thousand stories and counting. The VT shooting is 30.

The country is in mourning because two dozen strangers got killed. That's beautiful. The problem is the same country doesn't even blink when genocide takes place. There's something terribly wrong with that. Ants only care about their own colony out of self preservation. Humans should know better than that.

 

[Varient]

Wow. This is horrible. I can't comprehend why someone would do something like this.

In two days of just listening and not talking:
I'm convinced that he was upset over some kind of culture shock.

I read that he didn't like the way he was treated by fellow classmates and was esp unhappy with what I would call the rich-kid snob mentality.

In addition I also heard (listening to talk radio) that he may have been subject to hazing of some sort that was targeted to do the most emotional damage and that a teacher may have had a heads up on his issues by a disturbing paper he turned in for grade.

Ah man I feel for the family who have lost people they thought were safe away improving their lives,...'

V.

 

[blind_fury]

Not really, because Hitler invading western powers was and would be today a pretty direct threat to our country whereas infighting between African Tribes, revolutionaries and reactionaries within African states is not.

Edit: If Hitler was merely systematically killing Jews in Germany, but NOT invading. So long as it wasn't spreading, no, it would not (and should not) recieve as much national news coverage.

You can't be serious.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Yeah it's not up to me. It's up to the media. They decide what are epic tragedies and what isn't. The American public starts crying on cue. That's are far greater tragedy then any school shooting.

Why are people mourning the loss of complete strangers? Because the tv told you too.

Have a fun time in hell.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Pop quiz hotshot...there's a gunman that has killed at least one person on your campus, he could still be walking around or he might not. What do you do?

Sarcastic but that's the point. The level of stupidity shown by these people is ridiculous. Bodies go cold very quickly after death, if the corpse is warm your shooter is nearby. Even if he doesn't plan to kill again, what if he gets in an argument on the way out?

If there's the slightest possibility he's still around YOU GO TO LOCKDOWN.

Stop being such a ****ing apologist

Security ****ed up, people died. THE UNIVERSITY HAS JUST AS MUCH BLOOD ON IT'S HANDS AS THE KOREAN KID

One other thing, the police were talking to a "person of interest" in the dorm killings when the other shooting started. So it's no like they weren't doing anything about this.

 

[blind_fury]

My tragedy is bigger than yours!

School shootings deserve more media attention that mass genocide because...because...well because of geography!!!

 

[Demon Within]

Every one of the school shootings in the past that I've researched have always been planned events. To get this many deaths out of the plan, it would require months of planning.

I have no doubt in my mind he's got writings, pictures, or whatever possible, about this stashed away somewhere. The killers at Columbine had tons of pictures, writings, etc. in both their rooms and notebooks. Chances are incredibly slim he went after a girl, decided that she wasn't enough, and just blasted everyone in his path, taking out 32 people.

As for blind_fury: Who are you to make up numbers like that? There's thousands of students and faculty members at VTech, so I'd bet there's a large population of family members and friends of both victims and witnesses... Hence why cell phone lines were completely shut down yesterday in that area.

It was planned to an extent. My main point is 2 sets of minds at work within the same person that we know of. One is planning to live past this act because he filed off the serial numbers. Another is planning a suicide note an killing himself. Why would someone file off a gun number who was planning to shoot himself in the head? The 2 actions contradict themselves.

 

[blind_fury]

Have a fun time in hell.

Have fun explaining to God why you did nothing to stop a mass genocide in Darfur.

Your defense will probably be, "well it's not like they attended college in Virginia or anything".

 

[WorthyStevens]

Have fun explaining to God why you did nothing to stop a mass genocide in Darfur.

Your defense will probably be, "well it's not like they attended college in Virginia or anything".

I'm not the one who's disregarding others' deaths by saying that other deaths were more important than theirs'.

And why didn't you do anything to stop the shootings at VT?