Days of Future Past Should/Could a "NEW" Timeline be created under Vaughn's helm?

[X-Maniac]

People also need to read up on the comics version of Days of future past and forget about watered down version for 90's animation done when Bishop was popular character which he hasn't been In years.

They might also add Bishop for ethnic diversity. My only worry is that his powers look similar to those of Shaw.

 

[Alex Logan]

I feel like you completely missed the point of that sequence.

No, I didn't.

I can't take anyone seriously who called X-Men the last Stand best of X-Men films.

That's good because I never said that.

 

[X-Maniac]

This is easy, needs to go:

1. Making the film about two or three characters instead of the whole team.

You mean, in the way that Avengers did? Focus on a team dynamic? Yes, I'd like more of that. And more camaraderie/dynamics between the X-Men when they are 'off duty' too.

2. Rogue! Give us the real deal or leave her out. Same goes for other powerful characters. If you're afraid to make them powerful then don't use them or get off the movie.

I think we'd all like to see a real Rogue. Unfortunately, she took the cure in X3. Fortunately, it was shown (by Magneto's reaction in X3) not to work and (by Beast's reaction in First Class) that such a cure might in fact enhance/advance the mutation.

The answer: show Rogue absorbing the powers of a dying mutant in DoFP. Not sure they can use Ms Marve/Carol Danvers, as in the comics, but they needn't even name the character she absorbs the powers from, just have some superstrong, flying chick who gets taken out by Sentinels. It would be the dying woman's last gift/legacy to help the remaining mutants fight the Sentinels by giving her powers to Rogue.

3. Making Magneto look like a weak old man instead of a bad ass who can take on the whole team.

He didn't come across too weak. And now we have Fassbender, he isn't old either. All we need is for Fassbender to stop slipping into an Irish accent! His father's German for God's sake, it shouldn't be difficult to achieve a European inflection. They could bring in David Hemblen, who voiced Magneto in the 90s animated series and almost played Magneto in X1, to serve as a voice coach. Hemblen's Magneto accent in the animated series is SUPERB!

4. The love triangle.

Yes, enough of that already!

5. The horrible costumes. It worked in The Matrix, but this is X-Men not Neo and Trinity.

First Class is already moving away from that and if the films carry on in the psychedlic 60s and 70s, there is scope for more colourful outfits.

6. Mystique being portrayed as a total *****.

Yes, she needs more dimension. First Class has begun to do that. She's also shown in the animated series as having more story and character.

This is hard. There are not very many things that I like about the first four X-Men films. Needs to stay:

1. The government and most normal people being afraid/against the mutants.

Agreed. And let's see why they are afraid and how they show that fear.

2. Giving each character a purpose and a scene to shine. Wolverine from X2, Storm and Juggernaut from X3.

Presumably, you mean the mansion raid in X2 showcased Wolverine? Not sure about Storm in X3, she still wasn't quite right - too much attitude. And Juggernaut didn't come off too well either - the 'I'm the Juggernaut bytch' line was atrocious, the rest of it too light and jokey and not scary enough. Watch the cartoon for a better performance! Needs a more powerfully built actor and more menace!

3. The bad mutants against the good mutants. The was best shown in X3, which is the film that I have the least problems with.

Yes, a clash between good and bad is needed through properly planned-out battles.

You're right. The opening came from Singer, but it had a purpose this time. Eric going after Shaw was brilliant. In X-Men it seemed pointless, it was like it was only put there because Singer is obsessed with that stuff.

I disagree it was pointless. McKellen's Magneto referred to his past later, at Liberty Island, if i recall correctly. It showed why he hated humans and how, ironically, he was becoming the thing he hated.

And the part with Wolverine was the greatest cameo on film... ever. I liked seeing Rebecca, but it didn't make sense.

Rebecca Romijn, especially with long blonde hair, does look like an older versiion of Jennifer Lawrence, so it worked fine, I thought.

 

[Alex Logan]

You mean, in the way that Avengers did? Focus on a team dynamic? Yes, I'd like more of that. And more camaraderie/dynamics between the X-Men when they are 'off duty' too.

No, in the way it was done toward the end of First Class. I didn't really care for Avengers all that much.

I think we'd all like to see a real Rogue. Unfortunately, she took the cure in X3. Fortunately, it was shown (by Magneto's reaction in X3) not to work and (by Beast's reaction in First Class) that such a cure might in fact enhance/advance the mutation.

This is one of the biggest reasons that a new timeline is needed. Both Singer and Ratner really did a number on Rogue, who just happens to be my second favorite character.

The answer: show Rogue absorbing the powers of a dying mutant in DoFP. Not sure they can use Ms Marve/Carol Danvers, as in the comics, but they needn't even name the character she absorbs the powers from, just have some superstrong, flying chick who gets taken out by Sentinels. It would be the dying woman's last gift/legacy to help the remaining mutants fight the Sentinels by giving her powers to Rogue.

This is a good idea.

He didn't come across too weak. And now we have Fassbender, he isn't old either. All we need is for Fassbender to stop slipping into an Irish accent! His father's German for God's sake, it shouldn't be difficult to achieve a European inflection. They could bring in David Hemblen, who voiced Magneto in the 90s animated series and almost played Magneto in X1, to serve as a voice coach. Hemblen's Magneto accent in the animated series is SUPERB!

I thought he was really weak compared to the comics. Yes, Fassbender is the man! Magento is my favorite character and with Fassbender they finally did him justice.

Yes, enough of that already!

Indeed.

First Class is already moving away from that and if the films carry on in the psychedlic 60s and 70s, there is scope for more colourful outfits.

Yes, that why I liked First Class so much.

Yes, she needs more dimension. First Class has begun to do that. She's also shown in the animated series as having more story and character.

Yes, totally.

Agreed. And let's see why they are afraid and how they show that fear.

Yep.

Presumably, you mean the mansion raid in X2 showcased Wolverine? Not sure about Storm in X3, she still wasn't quite right - too much attitude. And Juggernaut didn't come off too well either - the 'I'm the Juggernaut bytch' line was atrocious, the rest of it too light and jokey and not scary enough. Watch the cartoon for a better performance! Needs a more powerfully built actor and more menace!

Yes, the mansion raid. I agree that characters needed better dialogue and acting, I was just talking about showcasing them using their powers.

Yes, a clash between good and bad is needed through properly planned-out battles.

Yes, this is a must.

I disagree it was pointless. McKellen's Magneto referred to his past later, at Liberty Island, if i recall correctly. It showed why he hated humans and how, ironically, he was becoming the thing he hated.

You're right about that, however, the way it was done in First Class was far better. It also gave the audience more of the story. Magento hated Shaw for what happend to his parents and he hated humans for happend on that island. There wasn't enough information in X-Men.

Rebecca Romijn, especially with long blonde hair, does look like an older versiion of Jennifer Lawrence, so it worked fine, I thought.

You know I just remembered something. Didn't they say some where that because she can shape shift her body would age much slower than normal? That was my problem with showing Romijn, so it's no big deal I guess.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I thought he was really weak compared to comics. Yes, Fassbender is the man! Magento is my favorite character and with Fassbender they finally did him justice.

I didn't find him weak at all. He wasn't dripping with pure testosterone or anger like Fassbender, but he didn't need to. He had a world-weary sophistication about him, like a Shakespearean king. That intelligence made him all the more powerful and threatening when he flexed his muscles. Ian embodied this perfectly. His portrayal was iconic, the greatest comic villan on film so far. I thought Loki could surpass him with The Avengers, but the third act of that film made him a punching bag (and a punchline), so he went out with a wimper. The only guy on the horizon that has a chance to equal him is Norman Osborn (if done right over a three film arc). Thanos will likely be CGI so....

Fassbender is a great actor so I am really looking forward to see what he does with the character.

 

[Alex Logan]

I didn't find him weak at all. He wasn't dripping with pure testosterone or anger like Fassbender, but he didn't need to. He had a world-weary sophistication about him, like a Shakespearean king. That intelligence made him all the more powerful and threatening when he flexed his muscles. Ian embodied this perfectly. His portrayal was iconic, the greatest comic villan on film so far. I thought Loki could surpass him with The Avengers, but the third act of that film made him a punching bag (and a punchline), so he went out with a wimper. The only guy on the horizon that has a chance to equal him is Norman Osborn (if done right over a three film arc). Thanos will likely be CGI so....

Fassbender is a great actor so I am really looking forward to see what he does with the character.

I disagree.

 

[BMM]

I didn't find him weak at all. He wasn't dripping with pure testosterone or anger like Fassbender, but he didn't need to. He had a world-weary sophistication about him, like a Shakespearean king. That intelligence made him all the more powerful and threatening when he flexed his muscles. Ian embodied this perfectly. His portrayal was iconic, the greatest comic villan on film so far. I thought Loki could surpass him with The Avengers, but the third act of that film made him a punching bag (and a punchline), so he went out with a wimper. The only guy on the horizon that has a chance to equal him is Norman Osborn (if done right over a three film arc). Thanos will likely be CGI so....

Fassbender is a great actor so I am really looking forward to see what he does with the character.

Pretty much sums it up.

 

[X-Maniac]

I didn't find him weak at all. He wasn't dripping with pure testosterone or anger like Fassbender, but he didn't need to. He had a world-weary sophistication about him, like a Shakespearean king. That intelligence made him all the more powerful and threatening when he flexed his muscles. Ian embodied this perfectly. His portrayal was iconic, the greatest comic villan on film so far. I thought Loki could surpass him with The Avengers, but the third act of that film made him a punching bag (and a punchline), so he went out with a wimper. The only guy on the horizon that has a chance to equal him is Norman Osborn (if done right over a three film arc). Thanos will likely be CGI so....

Fassbender is a great actor so I am really looking forward to see what he does with the character.

Tom Hiddleston's Loki hasn't come close to Magneto. Hiddleston comes across as a great person and seems a good actor, but he doesn't have the screen presence or gravitas of McKellen or Fassbender, and a concentration camp survivor here on Earth is always going to be more relatable than a god/alien from another dimension. Loki just wasn't terrifying enough in Avengers. He's just too snarling and petty, like a pantomime villain, and that's also partly down to the writing and directing.

Marvel's tried hard to add weight/depth with bringing in Kenneth Branagh and Anthony Hopkins for Thor. But Branagh's vision was lost amid the Marvel template. Let's see what Christopher Eccleston does in Thor 2, but I rather suspect there are good reasons for Magneto being Marvel's top baddie.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Pretty much sums it up.

Tom Hiddleston's Loki hasn't come close to Magneto. Hiddleston comes across as a great person and seems a good actor, but he doesn't have the screen presence or gravitas of McKellen or Fassbender, and a concentration camp survivor here on Earth is always going to be more relatable than a god/alien from another dimension. Loki just wasn't terrifying enough in Avengers. He's just too snarling and petty, like a pantomime villain, and that's also partly down to the writing and directing.

Agreed. Loki was actually much stronger in Thor where the character was able to find some genuine moments under the umbrella of a dysfunctional family. You could relate to those dynamics. The attempt was made to add some gravity to the fantastical. Whedon embraced the absurdities of the genre and took the conventions to extremes, making it all feel rather meaningless.

 

[Genosha]

I'm an X-Men fan first and foremost. Thematically, X-Men deal with themes that, I feel, are deeper than any other fantasy series.

However, I felt The Avengers movie was nearly perfect execution-wise. I have not seen an X-Men film executed as well as The Avengers was. There was major pressure to get that movie right and so much could've went wrong, yet Whedon pulled it off. Plus, he successfully developed many multiple characters, another spot where X-Men movies could look at.

And I'm a huge fan of Hiddleston as Loki. I feel he has successfully placed little layers to his character in both movies and I'm excited where he is going to continue to take it. Plus, I just give him serious good vibes because he is a fantastic ambassador for the character and the Marvel Universe.
Part of why I'll always defend Hugh Jackman, who is always enthusiastic and gracious when speaking about X-Men and it's fans.

 

[Mrs Vimes]

Plus, he successfully developed many multiple characters, another spot where X-Men movies could look at.

That's the aspect of The Avengers where personally I found the movie severely lacking - with the exception of Hulk/Bruce Banner perhaps. Maybe the movie felt different to the people who've actually seen all of the individual movies beforehand, but then I've seen the first Iron Man movie and to me Tony Stark in The Avengers was like a much flatter version of the same character. Problem is, if you try to be even-handed with a large cast you're just going to end up with a bunch of sketchily drawn characters.

And I can't say I got much of a team vibe from The Avengers either. To me it had all the warmth of a business summit or something.

 

[def28]

I'm an X-Men fan first and foremost. Thematically, X-Men deal with themes that, I feel, are deeper than any other fantasy series.

However, I felt The Avengers movie was nearly perfect execution-wise. I have not seen an X-Men film executed as well as The Avengers was. There was major pressure to get that movie right and so much could've went wrong, yet Whedon pulled it off. Plus, he successfully developed many multiple characters, another spot where X-Men movies could look at.

And I'm a huge fan of Hiddleston as Loki. I feel he has successfully placed little layers to his character in both movies and I'm excited where he is going to continue to take it. Plus, I just give him serious good vibes because he is a fantastic ambassador for the character and the Marvel Universe.
Part of why I'll always defend Hugh Jackman, who is always enthusiastic and gracious when speaking about X-Men and it's fans.

Agreed. I felt Avengers nailed everything it was going for. While X Men def deals with deeper and darker themes there has yet to be an X Men movie imo that has tapped into the full potential of the characters and stories. FC is one of my fav flicks but its far from what I think the perfect X Men can be. DOFP has the potential to be the best X Men film we have seen to date, hope to see Vaughn own this one.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Rebecca Romijn Mystique is the best, she is pretty, sexy .. Jennifer Lawrence spoils the character is boring and takes away the magic of Rebecca.

 

[Duran Man]

I'm an X-Men fan first and foremost. Thematically, X-Men deal with themes that, I feel, are deeper than any other fantasy series.

THIS! A lot of the complaints I keep hearing and reading is that the Avengers didn't deal with any "themes." As far as I know, there aren't any inherent themes that the Avengers (that aren't specific to a particular story) deals with the way X-Men deals with discrimination. Any X-Men film that doesn't deal with discrimination in some fashion probably wouldn't be a very good one, just like an Avengers film that has some forced, incongruous theme might not be very good either.

But, with that out of the way, I amfor a new timeline. It would be very limiting for Vaughan and whoever else to have to line up the continuity of their movies to movies that came out 6-12 years ago (which they already haven't done a great job of doing), and when DOFP comes out it'll be 11-14 years. DOFP should give them a blank slate to tell any stories they want with any characters they want.

 

[Angamb]

Rebecca Romijn Mystique is the best, she is pretty, sexy .. Jennifer Lawrence spoils the character is boring and takes away the magic of Rebecca.

I think all of us would agree that Rebecca has the best body and facial structure. But I think Jennifer will improve her version with her acting skills. So its just a matter of great scenes, and make the character evolve to the killer mutant Raven is, both in comics and original trilogy.

She can play a badass Mystique, so we only have to wait for the sequel and next one, lol

 

[Alex Logan]

I'm an X-Men fan first and foremost. Thematically, X-Men deal with themes that, I feel, are deeper than any other fantasy series.

However, I felt The Avengers movie was nearly perfect execution-wise. I have not seen an X-Men film executed as well as The Avengers was. There was major pressure to get that movie right and so much could've went wrong, yet Whedon pulled it off. Plus, he successfully developed many multiple characters, another spot where X-Men movies could look at.

I didn't get any of that from Avengers. Avengers doesn't have nearly perfect execution, far from it I thought. I'm starting to think some people have blinders on when it comes to this film.

I thought First Class had nearly perfect execution.

 

[Alex Logan]

Rebecca Romijn Mystique is the best, she is pretty, sexy .. Jennifer Lawrence spoils the character is boring and takes away the magic of Rebecca.

Not even close. I liked Rebecca Romijn, but never felt any connection to her. I never even felt sarrow for her mutation. She acted like a total *****, nothing more than eye candy.

Jennifer Lawrence brough new life to that character. The way she was writen was also perfect. And she looks good too.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Jennifer Lawrence is not worth as Mystique.Not good for that role,is boring.I don't like,I like Rebecca, she is the real Raven.

 

[BMM]

Not even close. I liked Rebecca Romijn, but never felt any connection to her. I never even felt sarrow for her mutation. She acted like a total *****, nothing more than eye candy.

Jennifer Lawrence brough new life to that character. The way she was writen was also perfect. And she looks good too.

Good. You say it like it's a bad thing, when Mystique acting like a total ***** is what makes her great. I don't need to feel sorry for her mutation. It's nice to watch a strong, unapologetic character, who just happens to be a woman who can kick every bit as much ass as her male counterparts, who's not a sympathy case. The fact that she's played by Rebecca Romijn is an added bonus. God knows I wish Halle Berry's Storm had been as much fun to watch.

 

[def28]

Not even close. I liked Rebecca Romijn, but never felt any connection to her. I never even felt sarrow for her mutation. She acted like a total *****, nothing more than eye candy.

Besides her turning human in X3 I dont see why you would feel sorrow her mutation. Shes all about it having it. They def could have given her more character but Mystique is a sneaky, cunning lethal ***** and thats how she played her. Hope to see Lawerence go that route sooner then later, the relationships with her and the FC crew allow Mystique to have alot more interesting interactions and character now instead of being one note good and bad but she needs to go more lethal and ditch some of the innocence imo.

 

[X-Maniac]

Not even close. I liked Rebecca Romijn, but never felt any connection to her. I never even felt sarrow for her mutation. She acted like a total *****, nothing more than eye candy.

Jennifer Lawrence brough new life to that character. The way she was writen was also perfect. And she looks good too.

I think Rogue already had it more than covered with portraying someone as a victim of their mutation.

It's true that we didn't get much substance from Mystique within the first three films, but the dialogue gave hints ('People like you were the reason i was scared to go to school', 'I don't answer to my slave name') that were a clue to unhappiness in early years.

I agree it would have been nice to see a bit more and for that reason I don't mind seeing her being fleshed out in the First Class franchise. I think any more of the older, colder Mystique would be boring now and it's nice to get another dimension of the character.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think all of us would agree that Rebecca has the best body and facial structure. But I think Jennifer will improve her version with her acting skills. So its just a matter of great scenes, and make the character evolve to the killer mutant Raven is, both in comics and original trilogy.

She can play a badass Mystique, so we only have to wait for the sequel and next one, lol

They will hopefully do a bit better job on the Mystique make-up next time - the forehead/hairline aren't right and the area round the eyes needs to be streamlined. There is a marked difference in the pictures above between the eyes of the two Mystiques - Rebecca's eyes are made to be more narrow/sleek by the way the prosthetic scales are shaped.

Also, perhaps a darker blue. And what about trying looser hair, like the comic?

 

[def28]

Yeah, make up could be better. Would have been cool to see a different take closer to the comics imo.

I liked her alot in X2. Mystique should be a bit on the mysterious side. Didnt think they did anything really wrong with that take on her.

 

[Angamb]

They will hopefully do a bit better job on the Mystique make-up next time - the forehead/hairline aren't right and the area round the eyes needs to be streamlined. There is a marked difference in the pictures above between the eyes of the two Mystiques - Rebecca's eyes are made to be more narrow/sleek by the way the prosthetic scales are shaped.

Also, perhaps a darker blue. And what about trying looser hair, like the comic?

yeah, dont understand why Raven has to have the hair like that. Did she born with hairspray or what? t:

 

[Mrs Vimes]

It's nice to watch a strong, unapologetic character, who just happens to be a woman who can kick every bit as much ass as her male counterparts, who's not a sympathy case.

I like my female characters to unapologetically kick ass, but I want them to have some shred of personality and character development as well. As far as I'm concerned Mystique in the original trilogy was a boring blank and giving her a couple of lines that hinted on some troubled past was not anywhere near enough, seriously if you put together all of Mystique's speaking lines from all three original movies they might take up half a page or something. Fighting skills alone do not make a "strong" character, IMO.