Should Hans Zimmer borrow from the John Williams score?

[Whiskey Tango]

I understand the need to move on and distance this iteration of Supes from the previous version but there's no way in hell Zimmer is coming up with anything even half as iconic as Williams score. One can argue that ditching the classic music is necessary, but I think it'll also feel like a very important element is missing.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

Hans Zimmer isn't doing the score for Man of Steel right? If he is then that will be great.

But I hope Tyler Bates isn't doing the score because I don't think he is up to the task. Anyway, hopefully they announce soon who will be the composer for Man of Steel.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Hans Zimmer isn't doing the score for Man of Steel right? If he is then that will be great.

But I hope Tyler Bates isn't doing the score because I don't think he is up to the task. Anyway, hopefully they announce soon who will be the composer for Man of Steel.

I dunno, I just assumed from the thread title that he was.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

I think it's because Nolan is the producer for Man of Steel that people assumed that Zimmer is the composer.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I dunno, I just assumed from the thread title that he was.

that's why skimming through the last few pages helps before posting in a thread. Zimmer conducting this score was a rumor that was debunked by Zimmer, himself, a while ago...

 

[Whiskey Tango]

that's why skimming through the last few pages helps before posting in a thread.

Damn. Schooled. Guess I'll turn in my interwebs card.

It doesn't matter who's doing the duties. I'll feel the same way regardless. I wouldn't reboot Star Wars or Indiana Jones with different music either.

 

[El Payaso]

Damn. Schooled. Guess I'll turn in my interwebs card.

It doesn't matter who's doing the duties. I'll feel the same way regardless. I wouldn't reboot Star Wars or Indiana Jones with different music either.

You donj't reboot those at all. Both franchises are children of their creators (both characters created by George Lucas and taken to the screen by him) whereas comic book characters that have been there for decades have been approached very different through years. And that's why those have always had the same score.

I don't think you could ever reboot Star Wars or Indiana Jones without Lucas behind it, or some direct descendant. It's hardy the case of Superman, whose creators didn't have any control over him.

That is why the Raimi's Spiderman franchise didn't use the cartoons song, Nolan's Batman did't use Elfman score and that's why a Superman franchise that's different from Donner's franchise should use a different score.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Well I don't expect to change anyone's mind and no one is going to change mine so I guess we are at an impasse.

 

[Astrodust]

How far back did you have to go to resurrect this thread?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

3 or 4 pages. Last I checked, there wasn't any rule against it. I had planned to start one with a new poll, but then someone would have *****ed about that too.

 

[Astrodust]

3 or 4 pages. Last I checked, there wasn't any rule against it. I had planned to start one with a new poll, but then someone would have *****ed about that too.

A lot can change in 3 or 4 pages. I believe there was a Joe Manganiello rumor awhile back.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Damn. Schooled. Guess I'll turn in my interwebs card.

It doesn't matter who's doing the duties. I'll feel the same way regardless. I wouldn't reboot Star Wars or Indiana Jones with different music either.

haha, i didn't mean to school anyone...just sayin', i've made some of those mistakes too but i learned that skimming the previous page at least catches you up on the latest news and topic of discussion.

as for using the old theme, i love it to death and it's undeniably Superman...but i also feel that it's time to move on and let Superman evolve. Indiana Jones and Star Wars are bad examples if you ask me because not only were the more modern movies inferior to the earlier ones, but also because Indiana Jones and Star Wars were first concieved as movies...not novels, comics or any other literature.

a more appropriate comparison would be James Bond, since he was first a character from a novel turned movie that uses the same theme despite multiple actors. however, i'd argue that James Bond's theme is a lot more action friendly and versatile. it's a theme that you can use whether he's running after a bad guy or sipping on his vodka martini. William's Superman theme, while being iconic, is more romantic and doesn't lend itself well to actions scenes especially modern ones. Bond's theme can be changed to match the pace of the action and it never sounds weird, but if you play Superman's theme too quickly it sounds forced and it STILL sounds too slow for an action sequence.

so while i respect and admire William's score to this day, considering this is supposed to be a clean slate they might as well go with an entirely new theme/score. of course, it should still feel like a Superman theme but it also should be as versatile as James Bond's theme. i honestly don't think that a new theme can be as iconic as William's theme is, but if it feels like Superman and can be used whether Superman is just floating above the city or punching through multiple enemy robots then it would be just as great!

 

[Whiskey Tango]

haha, i didn't mean to school anyone...just sayin', i've made some of those mistakes too but i learned that skimming the previous page at least catches you up on the latest news and topic of discussion.

as for using the old theme, i love it to death and it's undeniably Superman...but i also feel that it's time to move on and let Superman evolve. Indiana Jones and Star Wars are bad examples if you ask me because not only were the more modern movies inferior to the earlier ones, but also because Indiana Jones and Star Wars were first concieved as movies...not novels, comics or any other literature.

a more appropriate comparison would be James Bond, since he was first a character from a novel turned movie that uses the same theme despite multiple actors. however, i'd argue that James Bond's theme is a lot more action friendly and versatile. it's a theme that you can use whether he's running after a bad guy or sipping on his vodka martini. William's Superman theme, while being iconic, is more romantic and doesn't lend itself well to actions scenes especially modern ones. Bond's theme can be changed to match the pace of the action and it never sounds weird, but if you play Superman's theme too quickly it sounds forced and it STILL sounds too slow for an action sequence.

so while i respect and admire William's score to this day, considering this is supposed to be a clean slate they might as well go with an entirely new theme/score. of course, it should still feel like a Superman theme but it also should be as versatile as James Bond's theme. i honestly don't think that a new theme can be as iconic as William's theme is, but if it feels like Superman and can be used whether Superman is just floating above the city or punching through multiple enemy robots then it would be just as great!

I did skim a bit but I had just woken up so I guess I half-assed it. I should have waited until I drank more coffee.

I considered Bond but then he really hasn't been rebooted (getting tired of that term) as much as updated.

Of course a lot depends on who the new composer is. The new guy might come up with something awesome but Williams seemed like he was really on a different level in the 70's and 80's. It'll be interesting.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I considered Bond but then he really hasn't been rebooted (getting tired of that term) as much as updated.

well i considered Casino Royale a reboot because it basically pulled a Batman Begins.

Of course a lot depends on who the new composer is. The new guy might come up with something awesome but Williams seemed like he was really on a different level in the 70's and 80's. It'll be interesting.

the theme was certainly ahead of it's time, but as of now i consider it outdated. i'm just hoping they find a composer who doesn't necessarily try to match or outdo Williams, but just focuses on making the most Superman sounding score possible.

 

[El Payaso]

Well I don't expect to change anyone's mind and no one is going to change mine so...

So why post in the first place, huh?

 

[Doc Ock]

I love the John Williams Superman score, I hum it all the time. I also hum the theme to Superman: TAS all the time as well. I think mister amazing Hans Zimmer(is he really composing this?) should do a new score but incorporate small elements of the original score, at least I would like that. Small enough to be only noticed by certain people.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I love the John Williams Superman score, I hum it all the time. I also hum the theme to Superman: TAS all the time as well. I think mister amazing Hans Zimmer should do a new score but incorporate small elements of the original score, at least I would like that. Small enough to be only noticed by certain people.

edit: Can we please close this thread or at least merge it? We already have a thread dedicated to the score of the film...

 

[Chris B]

To me, William's Superman theme is really the only truly iconic superherp theme out there. Even Elfman's Batman isn't in the same league to me. It just doesn't seem right to completely disregard it.

But I can also understand the argument that its time for a change. I'd say just have whoever gets the composing job use the theme as a base, but update it.

 

[Sabaoth]

I think they won't use any of the Williams score (although I wish they would only use it and nothing else!) and I also agree, whatever Zimmer creates (if it ends up being Zimmer) may not be iconic and may end up being forgettable...but no one will care afterward.
So take a moment and say your final goodbye to the Williams score, our beloved Crystal Fortress of Solitude, the Jor El program, and other final remaining vestiges of the Chris Reeve/ Routh Superman saga, on the Smallville series finale on May 13.

After that, I'm sure they will be gone for good, except in the comics, at least for the present.

 

[Wheels]

Damn. Schooled. Guess I'll turn in my interwebs card.

It doesn't matter who's doing the duties. I'll feel the same way regardless. I wouldn't reboot Star Wars or Indiana Jones with different music either.

Superman was around in comics and TV long before 1978, so it's not really fair to compare him to characters who's lives have mostly been on film. Unlike Star Wars and Indiana Jones, Superman has had other themes. So, while the Donner theme is the most iconic it's not the only Superman theme, which is the case with the Star Wars and Jones themes.

 

[RoughNTumble]

topic should be closed imo

 

[Whiskey Tango]

So why post in the first place, huh?

Because you touch yourself at night.

 

[El Payaso]

Because you touch yourself at night.

Haha?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

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[xmangambit]

We have to look at this way. What is the main theme that Zimmer came up with for Nolan's Batman movies? It was basically the "mollossus" theme which sticks out as the defining theme for Nolan's batman.

And this theme was actually created 16 years earlier before Batman Begins for "Black Rain".

If you don't believe me, just listen here, its the exact same theme, note for note!

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So i'm curious as to what he is going to come up with for Superman. I have a sneaky feeling he might reuse something from one of his previous movies.

OMFG! How the hell???? I'm Actually speechless!!! Please don't let Hans Zimmer do this I don't want another Dark Knight theme for a superhero film, Superman is the epitome of hero films it needs that Williams score, in Superman Returns it wasn't used well at all that why it didn't stick out.

Please use Williams score!