Should I buy Avengers Disassembled?

[Elijya]

lol, Marvel has **** continuity, I didn't say DCs was any better. Let's think about Marvel, it retconns. things in hilarious ways. "Beyonder you shall become a cosmic cube and it was all unreal". Gotta laugh.

- Whirly

"Wah! Wah! I don't like the world :: punch :: Oh, hey, that seems to have miraculously explained some hanging plot thread from 3 years ago. Hey, let's see what else I can do! :: punch :: :: punch :: :: punch ::"


THAT'S hilarious

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Marvel..... Continuity........ Same sentence......... Bwahahahahaahahahaah

Nuff Said

Excelsior

- Whirly

i wish people would stop using laughter as an argument. it solves nothing.

 

[Darthphere]

Ok, Marvel has continuity problems, but please dont make DC some bastion of continuity. They both have their problems, just seems people focus more on Marvel's problems and let DC slide a lot more. And people know, im no Marvel zombie or anything, just something ive been noticing.

 

[Elijya]

None of them. Most marvel titles have "ok-good" continuity in themselves, it's cross continiuty that's gone to pot. Which makes a shared universe a bit useless.

so your problem is with Spider-Man and the Avengers, right?


that's hardly Marvel as a whole

 

[Darthphere]

i wish people would stop using laughter as an argument. it solves nothing.

No, no, they dont use it as a argument, they use it in lack of one.

 

[Haxx]

so your problem is with Spider-Man and the Avengers, right?


that's hardly Marvel as a whole

I never said that. I said the events in general

If you'd like a quick break down list, of the "big", as in stops you in your tracks errors.:

NA - About 2 issues behind cival war, although it's not book destorying. No idea where Ronin went...is she in bed and can't hear the alarm?

Iron Man - As I said above this book's continuity directly contradicts NA/Secret War

X-Men - all titles. Again individual books ok, but no cross title links. Hell CW had children playing on the X-men grounds, CW:X-Men the grounds are a walled in prison-like camp.

HoM/Spider-Man - directly contradicts each other.

Cival War General - No SHR continuty what it means etc.

Sentry - Power level changes with every appernce.


Having said that some titles do appear to have good continuity. FF tied in nicely with CW3 giving a good lead up. ASM ties in well. Spiderman appears to be different characters in CW and ASM, but at least the timeline works.

Many of the single title characters you mentioned all have very good continuity, including with the shared universe. So why can't the big titles?

 

[Whirlysplat]

i wish people would stop using laughter as an argument. it solves nothing.

It's not being used as an argument. It's being used to show amusement. Neither Marvel or DC has great continuity. That's due to the Universes age and the volume of creators operating at anyone time.

DC do try and bring it all together occasionally, Marvel also attempt it but in a different way e.g. The recent use of Wanda to remove the over population of mutants.


- Whirly

 

[Whirlysplat]

"Wah! Wah! I don't like the world :: punch :: Oh, hey, that seems to have miraculously explained some hanging plot thread from 3 years ago. Hey, let's see what else I can do! :: punch :: :: punch :: :: punch ::"


THAT'S hilarious

Very true

no one sane argues on that, the retconn punch is another Bwahahahaah moment.

- Whirly

 

[Darthphere]

I never said that. I said the events in general

If you'd like a quick break down list, of the "big", as in stops you in your tracks errors.:

NA - About 2 issues behind cival war, although it's not book destorying. No idea where Ronin went...is she in bed and can't hear the alarm?

Iron Man - As I said above this book's continuity directly contradicts NA/Secret War

X-Men - all titles. Again individual books ok, but no cross title links. Hell CW had children playing on the X-men grounds, CW:X-Men the grounds are a walled in prison-like camp.

HoM/Spider-Man - directly contradicts each other.

Cival War General - No SHR continuty what it means etc.

Sentry - Power level changes with every appernce.


Having said that some titles do appear to have good continuity. FF tied in nicely with CW3 giving a good lead up. ASM ties in well. Spiderman appears to be different characters in CW and ASM, but at least the timeline works.

Many of the single title characters you mentioned all have very good continuity, including with the shared universe. So why can't the big titles?

All of these have one main component. Bendis.

 

[Elijya]

NA just ended an arc which occurs before CW, and Ronin's whereabouts are a hanging thread, but it doesn't have anything to do with the books continuity.

Iron Man I'm not reading so I can't comment on. CW: X-Men it sounds like an error on the artist's part.

What contradicts itself between HOM and Spider-Man?

Where is it inconsistent what the SHR means?

Where is the Sentry's power level inconsistent exactly?

 

[Haxx]

It's not being used as an argument. It's being used to show amusement. Neither Marvel or DC has great continuity. That's due to the Universes age and the volume of creators operating at anyone time.

DC do try and bring it all together occasionally, Marvel also attempt it but in a different way e.g. The recent use of Wanda to remove the over population of mutants.


- Whirly

I think that's my main problem. DC seem to acknowledge a problem with continuity, and fix it in comic, or at least try and explain it away.

Marvel just seems to state "it's coming" etc usuallt through press releases or interviews.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Continuity is always going to be a problem due to the Bendis and Byrnes of this world every company has them. They often create great stories. It's one of the double edged problems in comics.

- Whirly

 

[Darthphere]

I think that's my main problem. DC seem to acknowledge a problem with continuity, and fix it in comic, or at least try and explain it away.

Marvel just seems to state "it's coming" etc usuallt through press releases or interviews.

Yeah, DC's continuity is nowhere near fixed, it seems like IC added more problems than it fixed.

 

[Haxx]

Continuity is always going to be a problem due to the Bendis and Byrnes of this world every company has them. They often create great stories. It's one of the double edged problems in comics.

- Whirly

Yep. Marvel's big writers seem to write good-ok storys, but change the characters/their situations to fit the story as opposed to writing a story based on the characters current state of affairs.

NA just ended an arc which occurs before CW, and Ronin's whereabouts are a hanging thread, but it doesn't have anything to do with the books continuity.

Iron Man I'm not reading so I can't comment on. CW: X-Men it sounds like an error on the artist's part.

What contradicts itself between HOM and Spider-Man?

Where is it inconsistent what the SHR means?

Where is the Sentry's power level inconsistent exactly?

Ronin's a hanging thread, but no ones mentioned it in comic.

Iron Man - its bad, as I explained above.

HoM - hero's recruit Spider-Man from the street with his family and go off to the final fight.
Spider-Man HoM - Peter is reviled by the population and his family. Outcasted. Eventually left all alone and fakes his own death and goes off to some cabin.

SHR - Is it a goverment only register, or can joe public acess it? What about "retired" or inactive heroes.

X-Men - Yep. I'd agree. It's an error on the artists part. BUT why didn't the editors catch it?

Let's agree to disagree (I've brought up some of these points in the "Odd things about CW" thread)

Back on topic.

If you enjoyed NA, I'd recommend Dissassembled. It does set it up, and it's not a bad self contained story if you ignore previous continuity (sorry i couldn't help it )

 

[Whirlysplat]

Yeah, DC's continuity is nowhere near fixed, it seems like IC added more problems than it fixed.

It will never be completely fixed

Lets wait till the end of 52 to see how well it's worked, that's when IC will really be over.

- Whirly

 

[Darthphere]

It will never be completely fixed

Lets wait till the end of 52 to see how well it's worked, that's when IC will really be over.

- Whirly

No silly IC ended with issue #7.

 

[Whirlysplat]

No silly IC ended with issue #7.

The fallout from it is being picked up in 52, as is the timeline from it. I also believe a second epilogue book is coming out mid way through 52.

- Whirly

 

[Kevin]

about NA being late, it's not that big of a problem, and at least it's not 3 months behind. didn't issue 20 come out one week and, the very next week, issue 21 came out? they're trying.

 

[Elijya]

Ben, Haxx, it's cool, we all love comics here

 

[gildea]

nick fury is an LMD. Its not a great explanation but in context it makes sense and it is possible in the MU.

 

[Whirlysplat]

nick fury is an LMD. Its not a great explanation but in context it makes sense and it is possible in the MU.

I think they used a Nick LMD in the Extremis arc. Can't be bothered to check.

- Whirly

 

[Kevin]

i dont think he was in those issues. im sure he wasn't

 

[gildea]

I think they used a Nick LMD in the Extremis arc. Can't be bothered to check.

- Whirly

It's pretty much a catch all for all the post secret war appearances of fury at shield.

Its not brilliant but at least it's simple and fairly plausible.

Never a fan of over complicated continuity fixes meself.

 

[Whirlysplat]

It's pretty much a catch all for all the post secret war appearances of fury at shield.

Its not brilliant but at least it's simple and fairly plausible.

Never a fan of over complicated continuity fixes meself.

Makes sense. Continuity fixes hardly ever work in any form. Thats comics.

- Whirly

 

[Anubis]

It's still stupid that they would even use an LMD when everybody involved already knows that Fury's gone underground. I mean, why would Stark want to talk to a damn Robot who is impersinating a guy who isn't even in charge of SHIELD anymore? Maybe it's not bad continuity, but it's still kinda dumb.