Should I get Xbox 360 now or wait for PS3?

[Spiderdogg]

I will of course be showing how the rest of your post was incredibly dumb, but I wanted to get to this one first. You just said "PS3Online is better than Live 2.0, and I have no facts to back this up, but just trust me. I have "important reasons", like not wanting to admit that my console's online service is a bag of soggy ass". Hahaha, mind boggling


As for the rest...
1) Over my head huh? Even though I perfectly grasped everything, responded to it, was not confused at all, and the only reason you're saying that is because I called you on your bs that the ps2 being expensive with no competitors is the same as the ps3 being expensive with two superior competitors? I'll take your word for it.

3) Future port would mean they would be ported in the future. Hence the inclusion of the word "future". Isn't english fun? And no, I'm sorry, but pretty much everyone can see how terrible those games are going to be? I mean, did any of you guys watch the trailer for assassins' creed for instance, it's all a big matrix type deal, the whole thing has "MGS2 level of stupidity" written all over it, and it just gets worse from there. I'm sorry "Spiderdogg", but face facts - the ps3's library, minus MGS4 and a few not announced but obviously coming titles like GT5, looks terrible. It is terrible. It's a lineup of nothing but Killzone's and "The Bouncer"s.

4) So your defense is "I'll just close my eyes, plug up my ears, and repeat I can't hear you", huh? Meh, your choice I guess. Sorry Spiderdogg, but everything I said about CELL and Blu-Ray's inclusion is not only true, backed up by many sources (which I guess I can reveal because I don't have "important reasons" not to, hahaha ), relevant, not moot, and basically the opposite of everything you said.

5) You're right, no one is complaining....save for the majority of the gaming public, gaming industry, and basically anyone who is effected by it in any way. Great argument you got there.


Keep trying. Or better yet, don't ever try to post on the internet ever again.

You honestly think because i didn't choose to provide a source right then and there, that it meant that I was trying to dodge your answer? I'm sorry you feel that way. But the reason for that is I have many important other things to do which are being neglected due to me conversating here with you guys. That is it. But if you really want a source that bad, then OK...

It should be located around 42:30 in the video.

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In the OPM, Insomniac says that Resistance will have matchmaking and 40 online players.

EDIT: They are also matching Arcade

Whether you'd like to believe it or not, I don't need to lie about these things. But when I know something is wrong, I tend to point it out.

1. It definitely went over your head. First it was too expensive to getting a Wii and a 360. But if you want to play it that way, ok.

At the price of a Wii and a 360 it's still more expensive than a PS3. You forget, it comes in two flavors: $500 and $600. If a Wii cost $200/250 and a 360 $400, you are still paying more unless you go with the barebones 360 that doesn't even support a HDD or a memory card, which is going to force you to purchase after you buy it. On top of that, you haven't even gotten a game for neither console. Without the HDD, the 360's backwards compatibility is useless. If you never had a GameCube, you'll be purchasing it's content as well. Your choice, sport.

3. Like I told you before, if you wish to down-size these titles just because they are exclusive, that is your opinion and lost. As far as I know, non of the exclusives on the 360 aren't great nor proven neither. But I don't need to down-size them just because the PlayStation doesn't have them. Perferences are very important and differ from others. So your point is more moot more than anything.

4. No. That's not my point at all. Maybe that's what you assumed to be the case. But i must let you know ahead of time, it's far from accurate.

Here:

IBM claims Cell production is now going well

Yields back on track

By Dean Pullen: Thursday 27 July 2006, 17:06
THE CELL PROCESSOR is steadily being shoved out the door of IBM plants, despite reports of poor yields.

Sources have informed the Inq that IBM executives have told employees within the firm, that yields are "on or above" targets.

Yields for a large, complex part like the Cell are expected to be low at the start of production and improve steadily thereafter - if IBM had allowed for a very low yield to start with, its plausible that the rumours of bad yields were entirely accurate and this is what IBM was expecting all along.

The exec also said IBM had shipped the first full allotment to Sony under a 'take or pay' arrangement (whereby Sony has the obligation of either taking delivery of the goods or paying a specified amount), and that Sony must have "quite a stockpile of the processors in a warehouse somewhere".

Presumably the warehouse has close links to Asustek, where recently other sources released details of Asustek plans to deliver 4 million units of the PS3 console to Sony this month. µ

I hope we can put this behind us.

5. Strange. I only hear people like yourself say this. The day developers start complaining is the day we will have a problem. Until then, I'll catch yah on the bright end.

 

[Sloth7d]

That he believes you to be so stupid that he no longer seems stupid by comparison, I believe.

I got that, but what gives him the right to judge?
What did I even say to be deemed an idiot?
The fact that I'm dissapointed with the 360, yet love the Wii is preference of opinion and has nothing to do with how intelligent a person is.
To say someone is stupid based off of their opinions is idiocy in itself.

 

[XwolverineX]

That he believes you to be so stupid that he no longer seems stupid by comparison, I believe.

Finally, someone who doesn't give me a headache. Congratulations!

 

[Manny Calavera]

You honestly think because i didn't choose to provide a source right then and there, that it meant that I was trying to dodge your answer? I'm sorry you feel that way. But the reason for that is I have many important other things to do which are being neglected due to me conversating here with you guys. That is it. But if you really want a source that bad, then OK...

It should be located around 42:30 in the video.

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No, I think that because you gave absolutely ******ed reasons like "I have important reasons" that you have nothing backing up the things you say. Your "proof" just further illustrates this point. You posted....what? A video no one will watch and some screenshots of a car? What does that have to do with the argument? Does it affect pricing? No. Cell's performance, or it's poor production yields? No. PS3's inferior library, online service, hardware? No. As a matter of fact, it doesn't affect anything, it's not even remotely related to a single thing being discussed. It's almost like you forgot what we were talking about and just found some pictures and took a shot in the dark and hoped they'd be related somehow. They weren't.

In the OPM, Insomniac says that Resistance will have matchmaking and 40 online players.

Whether you'd like to believe it or not, I don't need to lie about these things. But when I know something is wrong, I tend to point it out.

1. It definitely went over your head. First it was too expensive to getting a Wii and a 360. But if you want to play it that way, ok.

At the price of a Wii and a 360 it's still more expensive than a PS3. You forget, it comes in two flavors: $500 and $600. If a Wii cost $200/250 and a 360 $400, you are still paying more unless you go with the barebones 360 that doesn't even support a HDD or a memory card, which is going to force you to purchase after you buy it. On top of that, you haven't even gotten a game for neither console. Without the HDD, the 360's backwards compatibility is useless. If you never had a GameCube, you'll be purchasing it's content as well. Your choice, sport.

Sport? That's cute. 40 online players huh? Wow, that sure showed the people talking about resistance and the number of players in this thread...ie no one. Who the hell are you talking to again? Anyways, no, it didn't go over my head, apparently you either don't read english very well, have no comprehension skills, or both. That, or you're willfully stupid and ergo incapable of understanding the words being spoken to you. Either way, let me try this again.

PS3 is $600. 360 is $400. 600 > 400. Go ahead, count on your fingers, you'll find that I'm correct. Ergo, PS3 is more expensive than the Xbox360. Ok, now here's the tricky part. PS3 is, still, $600. Wii, on the other hand, is a mere $199. Once again, you may count, and you will find that 600 is again greater than 200. That's right, 600>200. So, the PS3 is more expensive than the Wii. So, we have established that the PS3 is more expensive than both consoles. Great.

3. Like I told you before, if you wish to down-size these titles just because they are exclusive, that is your opinion and lost. As far as I know, non of the exclusives on the 360 aren't great nor proven neither. But I don't need to down-size them just because the PlayStation doesn't have them. Preferences are very important and differ from others. So your point is more moot more than anything.

Again, I'd really like to urge you to attempt reading posts before replying to them, or at least trying to keep to the topic at hand. This has nothing to do with them being exclusive. It has to do with them
A) Being likely ports in the future.
And
B) Being obviously bad games, much like Killzone or The Bouncer before them.

I mean, it's so simple it hurts. How are you not understanding this? Are you closing your eyes and trying to read my posts by running your fingers across the screen or something?

4. No. That's not my point at all. Maybe that's what you assumed to be the case. But i must let you know ahead of time, it's far from accurate.

Here: Crap.



I hope we can put this behind us.

Looks like all hope is lost for you. Steve Jobs, one of the biggest of all computer big wigs, flipped the cell off, because it didn't provide as much power as the chips in the same line as the 360 chip, chips which are weaker than the 360 chip. Following the logical progression here, the CELL would of course be weaker than the 360 chip, in addition to terrible production yields, costs, etc. It's just bad. I'm sorry that you don't want to admit it, maybe you've invested too much emotionally into defending it or something, I don't know. But the fact is, it's bad. It's just bad. Bad. My condolences.

5. Strange. I only hear people like yourself say this. The day developers start complaining is the day we will have a problem.

You only hear people like myself say this....even though multiple people within this thread have said it, in addition to providing links to other people saying it as well. Amazing.



In any case, it's become painfully obvious that the total number of my posts exceeds the sum total of your IQ points, and so we're done here. You don't need to reply.

 

[Manny Calavera]

I got that, but what gives him the right to judge?
What did I even say to be deemed an idiot?
The fact that I'm dissapointed with the 360, yet love the Wii is preference of opinion and has nothing to do with how intelligent a person is.
To say someone is stupid based off of their opinions is idiocy in itself.

I agree with you, I've been disappointed with the 360 myself, not graphically, I think it's had some great graphical gems here and there, but game wise I'm just not having enough fun to warrant turning it on anymore, though that'll change next month thankfully. I'm also getting a Wii as well, so yeah, I don't think you're stupid. I doubt anyone really said to themselves "hey, what a dumbass" because of your post, they just disagreed, and because this is the internet and there's no threat of being hit in the face, everyone's more abrasive than they'd usually be, so don't worry about it. Next time you agree with them they'll sing your praises, and then you'll be an idiot again when you disagree, and so on. Just ignore it all

 

[XwolverineX]

Your guy's posts are so looong, I quit this thread.

 

[Manny Calavera]

Sadly, you're not the only one in the thread who feels like reading is a chore.

 

[Sloth7d]

Well. I skipped most of the big ones.
Its the same argument anyway.
We all know the PS3 will fail.
And thats based on facts and not opinion.

 

[XwolverineX]

Sadly, you're not the only one in the thread who feels like reading is a chore.

I don't feel reading is a chore, reading is actually a hobby of mine. But I am not wasting my time reading people who know what they're talking about, arguing with moronic idiots.

 

[XwolverineX]

Well. I skipped most of the big ones.
Its the same argument anyway.
We all know the PS3 will fail.
And thats based on facts and not opinion.

No, anyone who thinks PS3 will fail is ******ed.

 

[Manny Calavera]

It won't fail commercially, not totally, but it won't be nearly the success that PS2 was, and in every other way that it's possible for something fail, ps3 is going to fail. Sony has dropped the ball so many times it's almost like they've decided they don't want to be in business anymore.

 

[Sloth7d]

lol@xwolverinex

 

[Sloth7d]

It won't fail commercially, not totally, but it won't be nearly the success that PS2 was, and in every other way that it's possible for something fail, ps3 is going to fail. Sony has dropped the ball so many times it's almost like they've decided they don't want to be in business anymore.

The way I see it-
If the neogeo failed Ps3 will fail.
If dreamcast failed(which was an underrated system thast I loved)then the Ps3 will fail with honors.

 

[XwolverineX]

lol@xwolverinex

LOL @ you having no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Sloth7d]

lol again, because I think he's being serious.

 

[Spiderdogg]

No, I think that because you gave absolutely ******ed reasons like "I have important reasons" that you have nothing backing up the things you say. Your "proof" just further illustrates this point. You posted....what? A video no one will watch and some screenshots of a car? What does that have to do with the argument? Does it affect pricing? No. Cell's performance, or it's poor production yields? No. PS3's inferior library, online service, hardware? No. As a matter of fact, it doesn't affect anything, it's not even remotely related to a single thing being discussed. It's almost like you forgot what we were talking about and just found some pictures and took a shot in the dark and hoped they'd be related somehow. They weren't.


Sport? That's cute. 40 online players huh? Wow, that sure showed the people talking about resistance and the number of players in this thread...ie no one. Who the hell are you talking to again? Anyways, no, it didn't go over my head, apparently you either don't read english very well, have no comprehension skills, or both. That, or you're willfully stupid and ergo incapable of understanding the words being spoken to you. Either way, let me try this again.

PS3 is $600. 360 is $400. 600 > 400. Go ahead, count on your fingers, you'll find that I'm correct. Ergo, PS3 is more expensive than the Xbox360. Ok, now here's the tricky part. PS3 is, still, $600. Wii, on the other hand, is a mere $199. Once again, you may count, and you will find that 600 is again greater than 200. That's right, 600>200. So, the PS3 is more expensive than the Wii. So, we have established that the PS3 is more expensive than both consoles. Great.


Again, I'd really like to urge you to attempt reading posts before replying to them, or at least trying to keep to the topic at hand. This has nothing to do with them being exclusive. It has to do with them
A) Being likely ports in the future.
And
B) Being obviously bad games, much like Killzone or The Bouncer before them.

I mean, it's so simple it hurts. How are you not understanding this? Are you closing your eyes and trying to read my posts by running your fingers across the screen or something?


Looks like all hope is lost for you. Steve Jobs, one of the biggest of all computer big wigs, flipped the cell off, because it didn't provide as much power as the chips in the same line as the 360 chip, chips which are weaker than the 360 chip. Following the logical progression here, the CELL would of course be weaker than the 360 chip, in addition to terrible production yields, costs, etc. It's just bad. I'm sorry that you don't want to admit it, maybe you've invested too much emotionally into defending it or something, I don't know. But the fact is, it's bad. It's just bad. Bad. My condolences.



You only hear people like myself say this....even though multiple people within this thread have said it, in addition to providing links to other people saying it as well. Amazing.



In any case, it's become painfully obvious that the total number of my posts exceeds the sum total of your IQ points, and so we're done here. You don't need to reply.

I'm going to make this brief since I can see that you are out of steam judging by the responses you just made there.

The PS3 comes in two (not one, but TWO flavors). If you want to compare a 360 & a Wii combo like you did earlier before you compared the Dreamcast and Cube as a more expensive purchase, the cost with a Wii and 360 are still more expensive than a $500 PS3. It negates your previous point rather obviously.

And here's Sony competing with Live Arcade I'll edit it in my last post so that nothing is confused later on.

 

[Manny Calavera]

Thats nice.

 

[Extromaniac]

I'm going to make this brief since I can see that you are out of steam judging by the responses you just made there.

The PS3 comes in two (not one, but TWO flavors). If you want to compare a 360 & a Wii combo like you did earlier before you compared the Dreamcast and Cube as a more expensive purchase, the cost with a Wii and 360 are still more expensive than a $500 PS3. It negates your previous point rather obviously.

And here's Sony competing with Live Arcade I'll edit it in my last post so that nothing is confused later on.

Yes. But both of those "flavors" are still a $100 more flavor than the next priciest console.. A.K.A. X360. And seeing as what Manny says is true, that Steve Jobs looked down his nose at the Cell and stated that it was less powerful than the line of chips below X360's chip.. then I think there is a problem there.

Either way you slice it.. the PS3 has been essentially called a piece of **** by the CEO of Apple. Someone who knows much more about computer parts (which Sony claims their console is a "Supercomputer" or "PC-Killer") than any of Sony's execs do. And on top of that.. it's launch line-up is the single worst seen in the last two gens, and it all comes at a much higher price.

Sony won't compete with anything to do with Live that MS does.. they'll be completely blown away by it.

 

[XwolverineX]

PS3: Devil May Cry 4, Warhawk, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, Assasins Creed, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Final Fantasy 13, Virtual Fighter 5, Tekken 6..

360: Oblivion, Dead or Alive 4, Dead Rising, Saint's Row, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Bioshock...

Wii: Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Red Steel, Excite Truck..


Simple, which ever lineup appeals to you most, that's the system for you.

 

[Extromaniac]

PS3: Devil May Cry 4, Warhawk, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Final Fantasy 13, Virtual Fighter 5, Tekken 6..

360: Oblivion, Dead or Alive 4, Dead Rising, Saint's Row, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Bioshock, Call of Duty 2, Blue Dragon, Turok, F.E.A.R., Ninety-Nine Nights, Rainbow Six Vegas...

Wii: Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Red Steel, Excite Truck..


Simple, which ever lineup appeals to you most, that's the system for you.

Assassin's Creed is going to the 360 as well.. so I guess you should remove that one from your list.

Fixed the 360 list as well.

 

[WhatsHisFace]

Assassin's Creed is going to the 360 as well.. so I guess you should remove that one from your list.

Fixed the 360 list as well.

You should have added Too Human, Lost Odyssey, Ninja Gaiden 2, Crackdown and Jade Empire 2, but you are forgiven.

 

[Manny Calavera]

Kameo (side quests, leveling up your party mem...monsters, etc, it counts), Oblivion, Project Grey Company (EA's free roam LOTR RPG), Mass Effect 1-3, Jade Empire 2, KotORIII, Obsidian Entertainment's "Project New Jersey", Bioware's FPRPG, Ensemble's MMORPG, Lost Odyssey, Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon, Cry On, Bioshock, Fallout 3....all games that are AAA RPGs (I know Kameo isn't usually classified as such, but trust me, it's at least an action RPG, or platformer RPG, whatever you want to call it, it plays like an RPG), just the ones that are announced thus far (and I'm sure I'm forgetting some), not even a year into 360's life....the original Xbox had like, 5 good ones, in four years. The Xbox brand's weakest genre is better than the entire lineup for the PS3. If that doesn't answer the question this thread asks, nothing will.

 

[WhatsHisFace]

That guy said he was getting the Xbox about 15 pages ago, but the thread remains very active.

 

[Manny Calavera]

OH...well, nevermind then.

 

[Sloth7d]

PS3: Devil May Cry 4, Warhawk, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, Assasins Creed, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Final Fantasy 13, Virtual Fighter 5, Tekken 6..

360: Oblivion, Dead or Alive 4, Dead Rising, Saint's Row, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Fable 2, Alan Wake, Bioshock...

Wii: Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Red Steel, Excite Truck..


Simple, which ever lineup appeals to you most, that's the system for you.

I started drooling again.......Anyway....
And I still think the ps3 won't do too good due to its price and 8 cell system. Most Sony lovers I know are becoming die-hard microsoft fans due to Sonys outrageous price despite the good gaming line up.