Should JL really be the end goal?

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  1. Bruce Malone Registered

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    Now the way marvel got the ball rolling for the avengers was the idea that they would start off a with a bunch of solo films as to familiarize the public with the characters, so that the avengers would then seem familiar to them.

    In that regards the avengers was the end goal for marvel with the solo films as a way to get there.

    Do you think that maybe WB should take the route of simply making the solo films but not as part of some grand plan in the end but just to release them and not worry about how they will all fit together like puzzle pieces?

    They could all still exist in the same universe but without that heavy handedness of knowing this is just to make a group film work.

    It's not crossing out the JL but not making it the focus either.
     
  2. Llama_Shepherd Registered

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    I agree that the solos shouldn't have any heavy handed forced links to the other solo series, Man Of Steel had the best system, just a couple nods with the Wayne Enterprises satellite and Lexcorp properties.

    Each solo series should conclude the character arcs as well, but Justice League should be the aim of showing the League fighting the ultimate threat.
     
  3. DrCosmic Professor of Power

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    Crisis on Infinite Earths should be the end goal.
     
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    The end goal should be a mixture of Dark Knight Returns, Kingdom Come, and Justice League Unlimited.
     
  5. Bruce Malone Registered

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    My point is should there necessarily even be an end goal? Why can't WB just try to put out the best DC solo films they can and if they naturally work as something that can be combined later on all the better.

    I don't think they need to copy marvel's game plan though where every film is so structured into a bigger picture. I say just release the films individually and let the chips fall where they may.
     
  6. Da Games Elite Registered

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    I feel the end goal should be to make good movies. I could care less which approach they take (though I'm a Marvel fan, so I am partial to the way the Avengers worked...), so long as it, in the end, comes together as a good film.
     
  7. DrCosmic Professor of Power

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    Solo films don't naturally come together. Just because Harry Potter and Mission Impossible could naturally occur in the same world doesn't at all mean they will naturally come together ever.

    But perhaps 'long term goal' is a better term than 'end goal.'
     
  8. Airwings Waves of air

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    Holy ****, I just got to think of a team-up with Harry Potter and Ethan Hunt.
    "The villain was bigger than any on them could handle single-handed"
     
  9. ЯɘvlveR danneB

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    yes, but it shouldn't be forced.
     
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    I think it should. They need to take they're time. Superman needs another movie. Batman needs rebooted and a second film with that Batman so we can adjust. Flash needs at least one movie but I want two. I think Wonder Woman should appear in the Man Of Steel sequel because face it, a solo WW movie would bomb. And I'd make a short film about Aquaman. Martian Man hunter doesn't need a movie. Maybe an appearance in the Batman sequel. And just have a new GL show up. Use John Stewart.

    A quick fix would be filming the two Batman's back to back like the Matrix/POTC sequels. Same for The Flash!

    As for JL the movie, it's the endgame. If you want, make it a two part endeavor and film them back to back as well. And I have an idea I want to run by everyone. Two things! One, how would you feel about the villain Lucifer himself? I am toying with the idea. Two, what if the story a true ttwist? That twist being that our heroes save the day, but die in the process. Either all or half. It would one up Avengers provided Whedon doesn't go on his typical murder spree of characters at some point. Hell, it was the finale of Angel that gave me the idea. And I don't care if it seems like rip off. Hell, I love the idea of ripping of Lost and showing our heroes in the afterlife being rewarded for what they have done. I picture Thomas and Martha Wayne walking Bruce into the light, same with Superman and all four parents. It could be emotionally touching!
     
  11. Lord All Mighty

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    Phase One should end with World's Finest, Phase Two should reach Trinity and Phase Three should have Justice League as the great climax.

    Each Phase of DC comics would probably be shorter than Marvel's, the great end goal should be Crisis on Infinite Earths. in the meantime they could play with their other comic events.
     
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    How on Earth could anyone do a Crisis on Infinitie Earths movie?! I joked about this once when I was at my comic book store once. Something like that is just too big to pull off. I mean how many people would be playing Superman?
     
  13. FeedOnATreeFrog (A Metal Gear reference)

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    Not that I think this would ever happen, but I assume Cavill would play them all? Like with all the Smiths in the Matrix
     
  14. Lord All Mighty

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    If done properly it can be done, you would obviously not adapt it panel per panel, but the idea itself should be there, along with certain elements like Alexander. I say handle it the same way DC has been handling past storylines in movies.

    Iron Man 3 did Extremis, but it was still much diferent from the comic, same goes for Knightfall and the upcoming Days of Future Past adaptation.
     
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    That's definitely a bit too much to handle.
     
  16. Lord All Mighty

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    The more i think about it the more i like that idea, for a grand finale that would be amazing if done properly. Even as a comic that would be na interesting way to see the heroes go.
     
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    To do COIE you'd need some pretty epic critical mass. You'd need to have like 10-15 successful films, including complete epic stories for your principal characters. That will probably never happen, but if WB does put together a comprehensive plan, that's as good as any. You'd also need to introduce the idea of parallel worlds, and the major ones (CSA earth, Earth-2) previously.

    But if that's done, you can make something that not only culminates what you've built so far, but you can take it a step further than anyone else and bring in Routh Superman and Bale Batman and Reynolds Green Lantern, Adrienne Palicki as Wonder Woman from alternate Earths. You could even nod to TAS with Michael Rosenbaum as the Flash and Phil LaMarr. Heck Dean Cain as Earth-2 Superman and Tom Welling as Superboy Prime. (So, to answer your question: That's Four people playing some iteration of Clark Kent).

    You could also pare it down with Routh as Ultraman, Bale as Owlman, Reynolds as Power Ring, Adrienne Palicki as Superwoman, Michael Rosenbaum as Johnny Quick. Or flip it and have Rosenbaum be Alexander Luthor, with, y'know, hair and everything.

    You could basically do for the DC Universe's Team films what Star Trek's reboot did for Star Trek. Take these disparate bits of entertainment, this outdated, but beloved history of the franchise(s) and combine them into one incredible whole. That'd be incredible. Especially as the COIE storyline is kind of cool, even when adapted into Crisis on Two Earths.
     
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    I like the idea but I think it should be 52 as the end goal
     
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    Wow, I just think people are over-analyzing it.

    I feel - and I have no analytical data to support this, it's just my opinion - that the GA doesn't give a crap about how these shared universes are tied together. Most people don't care, they just want to be entertained by a 2+ hour film on their night out at the movies.

    I could almost guarantee that most of the GA could see a trailer for a film featuring James Bond, Capt. Kirk, Indiana Jones, Sherlock Holmes, Conan the Barbarian and Lara Croft would be saying "Cool! They got them all together!"

    My point is, write a good/great screenplay and no one will care. Only the comic geeks - myself included - give a damn. All the non-comic fans I know look at the Nolan Batman films and the Raimi Spider-Mans and the MCU movies as essentially the same thing. Super-hero movies. They want to be entertained and don't get into the logic of it too much. They enjoy the medium, but really just want a good movie for their $10 bucks!

    Honestly, I get that DC may be a little gun-shy after the Green Lantern fiasco, but just a make a great film and they will come. If you have to force the DCCU into place with some plot holes or continuity errors, so be it. A great film will alleviate some problems. Sure, fans will always complain, but that's what fans do!:)

    Just get on with it and let the chips fall where they will!

    End of rant!:)
     
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    I guess I forgot the topic a t hand! Sorry

    But no JL shouldn't be the end goal, it should be the beginning of a great cinematic journey! As I feel the Avengers was/is.

    Let's just have as many good/great CBMs as we can.

    I, for one, want to see it all happen. Solo films, group films, everything from each company. Good quality CBMs!

    Is that too much to ask for?
     
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    WB has no end goal nor do they care for continuity in movies.

    Just look at their Animation DC universe movies.

    I fear it will be the same treatment with their Live Action DC universe movies. Only MOS 2 or 3 (if its ever done) will be connected to MOS while the rest will be as random as their DC animated movies counterparts.
     
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    A Crisis movie featuring its core themes and ideas could be a single film, and should be the end goal of the Justice League franchise.
     
  23. Lord All Mighty

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    That's a completelly diferente thing, with those films they just want to presente the best stories from the DCU in a diferente way, with the live-action films they have to reinterpret the character and this time they're even interested in competing against the MCU
    Rant no needed at all, the public likes event films, that's why Avengers did so much, that's what we're discussing here
     
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    I hope you are right.

    But let's look back, BEFORE Ironman came out, the public knew that there will be a Thor, Cap, and Avengers in the works.

    Now flash forward now AFTER Man of Steel, the public only knows MOS 2 and MAYBE a JL.

    That is clearly a sign that DC and WB has not got it together or could care less about universe continuity.
     
  25. Lord All Mighty

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    That's true, but they will want to compete with Marvel, so i'm sure they will try to release a JL movie as soon as possibly, be it a good movie or a bad movie
     

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