Should Kerry apologize for his comments about the troops?

Should Kerry apologize?

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War Lord said:
so what?

It still doesn't represent all of the military.
It represents an overwhelming majority. Therefore Kerry is just being honest.

Should I assume by your statement that those who go to college or university are too cowardly to serve in the military?
No. Where did you get that idea?

I simply stated that most people in the military are from working class families. And that's true.
 
HellOnEarth said:
:up: Yes.

Being poor does not mean your dumb. That's basically what dumb ass Kerry said, lmfao.


remember that time I told you to work on your composition, so you would make sense?

I totally stand by that.
 
maxwell's demon said:
and where in the public record is the part where they were proven to be fabrications(so he could get elected)?

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005036

Unfit for Office
I was on Mr. Kerry's boat in Vietnam. He doesn't deserve to be commander in chief.

BY JOHN O'NEILL
Tuesday, May 4, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

HOUSTON--In 1971, I debated John Kerry, then a national spokesman for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, for 90 minutes on "The Dick Cavett Show." The key issue in that debate was Mr. Kerry's claim that American troops were committing war crimes in Vietnam "on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." Now, as Sen. Kerry emerges as the presumptive Democratic nominee for the presidency, I've chosen to re-enter the fray.

Like John Kerry, I served in Vietnam as a Swift Boat commander. Ironically, John Kerry and I served much of our time, a full 12 months in my case and a controversial four months in his, commanding the exact same six-man boat, PCF-94, which I took over after he requested early departure. Despite our shared experience, I still believe what I believed 33 years ago--that John Kerry slandered America's military by inventing or repeating grossly exaggerated claims of atrocities and war crimes in order to advance his own political career as an antiwar activist. His misrepresentations played a significant role in creating the negative and false image of Vietnam vets that has persisted for over three decades.

Neither I, nor any man I served with, ever committed any atrocity or war crime in Vietnam. The opposite was the truth. Rather than use excessive force, we suffered casualty after casualty because we chose to refrain from firing rather than risk injuring civilians. More than once, I saw friends die in areas we entered with loudspeakers rather than guns. John Kerry's accusations then and now were an injustice that struck at the soul of anyone who served there.

During my 1971 televised debate with John Kerry, I accused him of lying. I urged him to come forth with affidavits from the soldiers who had claimed to have committed or witnessed atrocities. To date no such affidavits have been filed. Recently, Sen. Kerry has attempted to reframe his comments as youthful or "over the top." Yet always there has been a calculated coolness to the way he has sought to destroy the record of our honorable service in the interest of promoting his political ambitions of the moment.

John Kennedy's book, "Profiles in Courage," and Dwight Eisenhower's "Crusade in Europe" inspired generations. Not so John Kerry, who has suppressed his book, "The New Soldier," prohibiting its reprinting. There is a clear reason for this. The book repeats John Kerry's insults to the American military, beginning with its front-cover image of the American flag being carried upside down by a band of bearded renegades in uniform--a clear slap at the brave Marines in their combat gear who raised our flag at Iwo Jima. Allow me the reprint rights to your book, Sen. Kerry, and I will make sure copies of "The New Soldier" are available in bookstores throughout America.





Vietnam was a long time ago. Why does it matter today? Since the days of the Roman Empire, the concept of military loyalty up and down the chain of command has been indispensable. The commander's loyalty to the troops is the price a commander pays for the loyalty of the troops in return. How can a man be commander in chief who for over 30 years has accused his "Band of Brothers," as well as himself, of being war criminals? On a practical basis, John Kerry's breach of loyalty is a prescription of disaster for our armed forces.
John Kerry's recent admissions caused me to realize that I was most likely in Vietnam dodging enemy rockets on the very day he met in Paris with Madame Binh, the representative of the Viet Cong to the Paris Peace Conference. John Kerry returned to the U.S. to become a national spokesperson for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, a radical fringe of the antiwar movement, an organization set upon propagating the myth of war crimes through demonstrably false assertions. Who was the last American POW to die languishing in a North Vietnamese prison forced to listen to the recorded voice of John Kerry disgracing their service by his dishonest testimony before the Senate?





Since 1971, I have refused many offers from John Kerry's political opponents to speak out against him. My reluctance to become involved once again in politics is outweighed now by my profound conviction that John Kerry is simply not fit to be America's commander in chief. Nobody has recruited me to come forward. My decision is the inevitable result of my own personal beliefs and life experience.
Today, America is engaged in a new war, against the militant Islamist terrorists who attacked us on our own soil. Reasonable people may differ about how best to proceed, but I'm sure of one thing--John Kerry is the wrong man to put in charge.

Mr. O'Neill served in Coastal Division 11 in 1969-70, winning two Bronze Stars and additional decorations for his service in Vietnam.
 
blind_fury said:
It represents an overwhelming majority. Therefore Kerry is just being honest.


No. Where did you get that idea?

I simply stated that most people in the military are from working class families. And that's true.


Proof????
 
blind_fury said:
So if a future presidential candidate spoke out against what happened at Abu Ghraib you would consider that a "fabrication" just to get elected?

Why would a future presidential candidate speak out against Abu Gharaib?

What happened in that prison is very much on the public record and was dealt with in a serious fashion by the military.

Whereas most of Kerry's accusations about the crimes in Vietnam were shown to be total bs.
 
roach said:
As a member of the Navy I can tell you it is not true. People from all walks of life join the services. Yes rich people usually dont join the military....but they usually dont get jobs also. The military is a serious commitment and if anyone joins for the money they are in for the shock of their lives.
Well, hello Navy. With 4 family members in the Army, 1 Marine (whoo-rah) and an Army recruiter...sorry, I'm getting this straight from my horse's mouths.

I didn't say everyone is a chucklehead. But, unfortunately, alot of them are kids fresh out of high school and still wet behind the ears.
 
HellOnEarth said:
:up: Yes.

Being poor does not mean your dumb. That's basically what dumb ass Kerry said, lmfao.
Kerry never said people in the military were dumb. He merely said that people without college degrees could end up in Iraq. Why in the hell should he apologize for that? :huh:
 
Mr Sparkle said:
OPINION journal Jontz.

is that too hard to get?

That's right, I keep forgetting.

Any media source that you disagree with is considered by you to be biased and unreliable.

silly me.
 
War Lord said:
That's right, I keep forgetting.

Any media source that you disagree with is considered by you to be biased and unreliable.

silly me.

Of course it's going to be biased; it's an opinion journal.
 
roach said:
As a member of the Navy I can tell you it is not true. People from all walks of life join the services. Yes rich people usually dont join the military....but they usually dont get jobs also. The military is a serious commitment and if anyone joins for the money they are in for the shock of their lives.
Alot of people join the military for college money or for a secure, steady pay check or easy homeloans. Few join so they can take a bullet for Uncle Sam.
 
blind_fury said:
Kerry never said people in the military were dumb. He merely said that people without college degrees could end up in Iraq. Why in the hell should he apologize for that? :huh:

Because he's implying that the only people serving in Iraq are dumb hicks who didn't have opportunities elsewhere.

He's essentially saying that their contributions are worthless.
 
Ben Urich said:
Of course it's going to be biased; it's an opinion journal.

It deals with issues more indepth than anything you'll find on CNN or other news sites.

Editorial sites allow that.
 
War Lord said:
Why would a future presidential candidate speak out against Abu Gharaib?

What happened in that prison is very much on the public record and was dealt with in a serious fashion by the military.

Whereas most of Kerry's accusations about the crimes in Vietnam were shown to be total bs.
I'm pretty sure if the republicans had proof John Kerry lied about his war crime accusations they would have had non-stop ads about it during the 2004 presidential race.
 
War Lord said:
That's right, I keep forgetting.

Any media source that you disagree with is considered by you to be biased and unreliable.

silly me.


no, actually what I'm saying is that an OPINION is not a fact.
not surprised you don't get it though, as I'm sure I can dig up as many OPINIONS that Kerry actually was doing the most patriotic thing that one can do, and that it took much more courage to do it than it would've taken to stay silent.


I know you don't get that, I know you don't "get" many things.
silly you.
 
War Lord said:
Because he's implying that the only people serving in Iraq are dumb hicks who didn't have opportunities elsewhere.

He's essentially saying that their contributions are worthless.

He's not implying that; you're inferring it.
He clearly stated that he meant it as a jab at President Bush. It's not his fault that the GOP spun his comment out of control.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
remember that time I told you to work on your composition, so you would make sense?

I totally stand by that.

Okkkk... since you don't "understand" what I'm saying, how about this:


There are plenty of educated people who CHOOSE to enlist, and there are hordes of uneducated, drifting people who "get stuck".


Kerry equated uneducated people as dumb, that was his "botched" joke. Uneducated people are not dumb, just poor. Do you still not get it? Or do you like mocking me like the way you mock the Bible everyday. Sometimes I wonder who you mock more--Jesus or HellOnEarth.

The world is coming to an end, we don't have time for this silliness. Grow up, kid. :oldrazz:
 
blind_fury said:
I'm pretty sure if the republicans had proof John Kerry lied about his war crime accusations they would have had non-stop ads about it during the 2004 presidential race.

Than you didn't pay attention to the Swift boat veterans.
 
blind_fury said:
The White House is requesting John Kerry apologize for saying this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKUtTCrs6d8

should he apologize?

No, he's saying smart people are smart enough to not fight a war. Can't we all live in peace while making action, war, and horror movies? Nothing wrong with fiction...but there's no need for real life war. We can't even get along with the people on our own planet. Damn...the human race is a complete failure overall.:csad:
 
War Lord said:
Because he's implying that the only people serving in Iraq are dumb hicks who didn't have opportunities elsewhere.

He's essentially saying that their contributions are worthless.
jonty, I know you enjoy playing dumb/playing plain old ******ed a lot here.
But sometimes you should tone it down a tad, before I have a stroke.

He said no such thing, and anyone with a functioning lobe knows it.
 
Ben Urich said:
He's not implying that; you're inferring it.
He clearly stated that he meant it as a jab at President Bush. It's not his fault that the GOP spun his comment out of control.
Exactly. The GOP sucks.
 
blind_fury said:
Alot of people join the military for college money or for a secure, steady pay check or easy homeloans. Few join so they can take a bullet for Uncle Sam.


I see a lot more poeple who are joining because they want to and not for the money
 
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