Should Marvel take a "break" like dc?

I've seen worse too, but some people are more sensitive than others. Consider it a challenge to be more inventive with the words that we're allowed to use. That's how all the good curse words get made anyway. ;)
 
or to not feel the need to use any names

now let's return to topic, shall we?
 
Marvel breaking DC... or Marvel going on sick leave... something like that. It's been so long since it mattered that I don't remember. :o
 
aha! theres the problem! the topic wasnt supposed to be marvel vs dc but i said something for marvel and people turned against me. so then i went further :P and sed something against dc and then it all blew up. the real topic is whether marvel is too screwed up at the moment and needs a break, similar to the one year later gimmi -- um, ah... storyline at DC. if we're gona do marvel vs. DC set up another board. then i won't have to get involved :'(
 
The topic was should Marvel take a break like DC did. I say yes because they need to refocus their books right now...I really hope CW does this but I am not holding my breath
 
And i say no, becase they've retconned too much and its been put down to shock factors and gimmicks etc. and this would be another one. Plus you know JQ would hate to follow DC on anything. god forbid...
 
I don't think they need a break. Just a lot of work on their central characters. You know, actual development and exploration of the characters? The stuff that Marvel used to be famous for? Now they just bounce from event to event without properly examining the consequences in any meaningful way.
 
As we are back on topic...

No Marvel don't need a break, their universe isn't anything like as messed up as the DCU was. At least Marvel have managed to keep their mutiple universes apart so there haven't been any of the probelems DC had. Marvel in my view just need to start writing stories for the now - rather than trying to retcon past stories - the last few Spider-man arc come to mind. Keep writers on the type of title that suits them best and let their characters develop a little with more subplots running through issues, not just stories designed for TPBs.
 
If marvel could clean up some of the X-titles I might be more inclined to try and start reading some 616 X-men, but right now I won't touch them because I have no clue what the hell is going on.
 
Astonishing's easy to jump onto, and Ed Brubaker is about to take over Uncanny. Brubaker is quality, I'll be using that as a time to finally jump back onto Uncanny for awhile. You may want to, too
 
MyPokerShirt said:
And i say no, becase they've retconned too much and its been put down to shock factors and gimmicks etc. and this would be another one. Plus you know JQ would hate to follow DC on anything. god forbid...

didnt stop him with all these events after IC
 
Elijya said:
Astonishing's easy to jump onto, and Ed Brubaker is about to take over Uncanny. Brubaker is quality, I'll be using that as a time to finally jump back onto Uncanny for awhile. You may want to, too


I dont know about Bru...His Deadly Genesis disappointed me. This could be the book that pulls him thin.
 
The short answer would be "No". Marvel doesn't need a "One Year Later" break, because at this point, not only would it be seen as a "me too" gesture, but it might just encourage them to go even more berserk, and make irreperable changes to characters, only to have to explain them later. The disaster it would make of the Marvel Universe would make things worse, not better.

But, like others before me have said, Marvel does need to focus. At this point, there are dozens of writers, throwing things out there, regardless of anyone else, and what doesn't work is hastily ignored, or painfully "explained". As much as people are divided against the Ultimate series, it's a perfect example of Marvel's editing technique. They had a chance to keep everything tight and make it all work with characters, interactions, and events, but failed, and none of the titles have even gotten to 100 issues yet.

That isn't to say that DC isn't responsible of the same thing. All-Star could have been an answer to Marvel, but instead has become a giant mess, and none of those titles have even hit double digits. But, in their mainstream universe, events like Infinite Crisis show that they're trying. Every interview with Queseda, Arad, Bendis, and other Marvel figureheads shows me that they don't really care. When we're in the middle of a "highly-anticipated" character event and interviews are saying that after this it's "back to the basics (roots, whatehaveyou)", something is wrong.

So, even though it won't ever happen, Marvel -should- drop books, and keep only the best writers/artists on their main universe. I'm not saying they should destroy the lives of other, lesser-known writers/artists and outright fire them, but create a different, smaller universe with creator-owned heroes, much like Image, and several independent publishers do, as a testing ground.

Basically, there are too many writers with too many ideas floating around the Marvel offices, and subsequently, the MU. If there were two universes, one with nothing but well-known, proven, respected writers, where everyone interacted with what their characters were doing, where they were going, etc., and a smaller version of that, a minor-leagues Marvel, so to speak, it might be a lot more easy to handle, and result in a more cohesive 616 universe and, ... 617 universe.

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3 X-Books - Two teams, one located in Westchester would be the flagship title, and another team located in a new Xavier's school, somewhere besides New York. Maybe, Muir Island, or San Francisco, as there are no superheroes there, supposedly. The third book would be New X-Men, with a group of X-Kids in Westchester, a designated team, and the other kids as supporting characters. This also leaves the potential for one more X-Book, either a foreign team (Alpha Flight, Excalibur, etc.) or a seperate X-Kids book in the new school.

(Astonishing, a revamped Uncanny, and New X-Men: Academy X)

2 Spider-Books - If the majority of his books are in continuity, Spider-Man has had the most hectic decade, or so, anyone in the history of literature has ever had. Cutting him down to two books, an action-adventure book, and a pseudo-philosophical character book with actiony bits, would give Peter, the writers/artists, and editors all a break, and a chance to perform their jobs well. I've been reading all of the Spider-Books since I started reading comics and for being the company's main figure, he's hard to get into sometimes. The two books that I've really liked in the past couple years were Millar's Marvel Knights: Spider-Man and PAD's Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. If Amazing were to take on the MK formula, instead of the confusing mysticism and political nonsense, it could be a really great book. Right now, it just isn't. As for PAD's book, I try not to jump on any writer's bandwagon as they're just people and make mistakes like everyone else, but Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man is as consistent in quality as any book I'm reading in Marvel right now, and I wouldn't change anything about it.

For the rest of the universe, keeping it simple is the best way to go. Other than a brief and repulsive stint on Fantastic Four, I haven't had much exposure bestdes the Ultimate book, but they do strike me as better suited for the big cosmic, comic book adventures. I don't read New Avengers, so I don't really see a big problem with the line-up, but there are characters that would fit better. Leave Spider-Man and Wolverine alone. I'm looking forward to Ghost Rider's series, Moon Knight is off to a great start, She-Hulk is a great read, though it could use a more consistent artist, and I've heard nothing but good things about Daredevil and Punisher. Maybe it's because they're considered minor characters by Marvel now and as such are being left to their own devices, or maybe it's because they found their niche in the universe, and have stuck to one well-written book apiece. It's probably a little of both.

As for books like Nextwave, Runaways, and Mary Jane Loves Spider-Man, none of them, or books like them, seem to be heavily-involved in the universe, if a part of it at all, and as long as they are selling well and keeping readers interested and happy, there's no reason to change them.

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So, long story short, Marvel doesn't need a "One Year Later". They just need to manage their characters and writers/artists better.
 
I see it as One X-men book and One Spiderman book and you go from there.
Too many writers and artists left standing around....well hell there are a lot of Marvel characters just collecting dust.
 
deemar325 said:
You guys get the word?? about CW #2?!!!!!

You know what? After all that ***** I said about Marvel being able to turn their company around, only to see this right after, ...

I'll see how this plays out, but there's really only one way for it to go, and that's down.
 
It is not a good idea to do a one year later in comics in general since most peoples aim is to keep comic book characters young as long as they possibly can. The idea is to streach a year in comic to 2-4 years in real life, and just throwing away a year of comic book life is generally not a good idea (unless you intend on resetting the whole thing some time in the future or getting rid of or retiering the characters).
 
the answer is NO but i have two major suggestions
1. stop making powerful charectotrs, or making the x-men evolve. believe, simple powers can be attractive if the story is great. ( cap doesn't even have powers and his book is the best!)
2. stop charging more money for short books. these book these days are half of what they use to be in length. i mean, do i want a sneak peak of squadron supreme in every new issue i buy? NO!
 
Well considering DC has legacies for characters it's a little different.

I do think Marvel should do something like DC's One Year Later. Do something to connect the books and have a cohesive universe, which is what essentially DC did, they brought the unvierse together and are connecting everything. A lot of the books didn't even need the One Year Later jump like Green Arrow, Green Lantern, Supergirl, it gave the writers an easy way to put the characters in a new position, but it wasn't really needed.

Marvel really just needs to bring it's universe together, get everyone on the same page, no more classified their comics by groups like Spidey, X-Titles, Marvel Knights, Marvel Heroes. Also make events affect the regular books, look at House of M, all the effects were felt in miniseries or new books for the most part. I've been a Marvel Zombie for my entire comic collecting life, but I find myself drifting more and more towards DC titles because they're more entertaining, connected and interesting right now.
 
The Cleric said:
the answer is NO but i have two major suggestions
1. stop making powerful charectotrs, or making the x-men evolve. believe, simple powers can be attractive if the story is great. ( cap doesn't even have powers and his book is the best!)
2. stop charging more money for short books. these book these days are half of what they use to be in length. i mean, do i want a sneak peak of squadron supreme in every new issue i buy? NO!

The sneak peeks don't affect the story page count, you still get the same number of story pages.
 

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