The Dark Knight Rises Should "Realism" be lightened up a bit?

[StorminNorman]

*Insert random collection of Bob Dylan lyrics here*

 

[MegaGeek]

In answer to the original posters question... no.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

It's perfect the way it is. Why do you think it became so successful? I say if they DO bring in Riddler to just have a guy with a brownish/green suit (which IS realistic) and a brownish/green fedora/bole hat. Maybe a question mark on a ring or on his tie.

 

[The Guard]

Strict Realism wasn't all that prevalent in THE DARK KNIGHT. Bits of Two-Face, the nature of the action (Batman and Rachel falling, Batman managing to catch Joker at the end, etc), the way the court system was portrayed as working...

 

[TheBatman072]

Nolan's Batman films aren't realism.

It's heightened realism. That phrase is from his own mouth.


It's realistic fantasy. Fantasy but with a real world spin on it. It's taking Batman's world and looking at it through different eyes. That's all it is.

 

[Matt.S99]

It's great the way it is. Maybe just a little tweaking here and there though. The only two things I dont like about the movie(s) are Batmans voice(I dont think he has to growl to hide his voice, he could just talk in a lower, menacing voice) and the Tumbler(I like it and all, just not as a batmobile.)

 

[raybia]

Hi everyone, I was just wondering if the "realism" in this movie series should be atken down a notch. You see, the other day a friend and I got into a debate about what the Riddler's look should be. I wanted the man to have black slacks, a green blazer, and a question mark lapel pin but that would be too "supervillain" for Nolan's films. Also, there's the thing about making the villains "realistic". I've heard a suggestion about Mr. Freeze locking people in a meat locker, which takes away a good amount of appeal to the charcater in my opinion. By the looks of it Batman himself is too unrealistic for these films (a man dresses up as a giant bat and fights criminals...come on). So what do you guys think? How realistic can we go before it becomes too realistic? Can it become too realistic?

Of course it could get too realistic but not by Nolan at this point. I think, especially after TDK, knows how to properly balance it.

I also wouldn't mind it the realism was lighted up a bit like you stated but not in this third film with I think will end as Nolan's Batman trilogy.

Now in the next Batman movies I would model them more after "Raiders of the Lost Ark" in terms of an action/adventure series. There can still be some dark moments, like in ROTLA, but also some fun and excitement.

 

[Doc Samson]

Nolan's Batman films aren't realism.

It's heightened realism. That phrase is from his own mouth.


It's realistic fantasy. Fantasy but with a real world spin on it. It's taking Batman's world and looking at it through different eyes. That's all it is.

I don't know why alot of people seem to confuse this. Nobody said these films were Super realistic, just in a more grounded reality than any other superhero films and certainly more than the previous 4 Batman flicks. It's also why it works, and why it's fresh. Obviously if it was ultra real, Two-Face would've caught an infection and probably died before he made it to Wuertz. Save the more fantastical stuff for another installment of Batman films in the future. Personally I'm looking forward to a movie adaptation of TDKR, complete with Superman and all, I would love that. Right now, let's allow Nolan to wrap this thing up in his vision, it hasn't failed yet...

 

[raybia]

Nolan's Batman films aren't realism.

It's heightened realism. That phrase is from his own mouth.


It's realistic fantasy. Fantasy but with a real world spin on it. It's taking Batman's world and looking at it through different eyes. That's all it is.

Agreed. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[TheBatman072]

I don't know why alot of people seem to confuse this. Nobody said these films were Super realistic, just in a more grounded reality than any other superhero films and certainly more than the previous 4 Batman flicks. It's also why it works, and why it's fresh. Obviously if it was ultra real, Two-Face would've caught an infection and probably died before he made it to Wuertz. Save the more fantastical stuff for another installment of Batman films in the future. Personally I'm looking forward to a movie adaptation of TDKR, complete with Superman and all, I would love that. Right now, let's allow Nolan to wrap this thing up in his vision, it hasn't failed yet...

That's exactly where I want all this to go. Let Nolan finish out his trilogy on his terms. Then, once that's done, and after Snyder's Watchmen success, which I'm sure he'll have, give Snyder the reigns to DKR. It all fits, and everyone's ****ing happy.

Agreed. Makes perfect sense to me.

I do what I can.

 

[The Guard]

It's silly to jump right to TDKR as an influence for a Batman film. There's so, so much in between that can be mined to make great movies.

 

[Gilpesh]

Seriously... wasn't the 'realism' just injected in to Batman Begins just to make what happens in the Dark Knight and the third movie seem more fantastic?

And isn't that working?

 

[Anita18]

It's perfect the way it is. Why do you think it became so successful? I say if they DO bring in Riddler to just have a guy with a brownish/green suit (which IS realistic) and a brownish/green fedora/bole hat. Maybe a question mark on a ring or on his tie.

Hey, lots of people thought a purple get-up, white face, and green hair wouldn't work for a realistic Joker, but we got him.

Of course it wasn't a garish purple suit, white face, or green hair, but that's just being picky.

Obviously if it was ultra real, Two-Face would've caught an infection and probably died before he made it to Wuertz.

He would have died of shock before regaining consciousness at all.

As for the realism, let Nolan finish his trilogy the way it is. Then let another director have at it the way he wants.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

That's what I'm saying, adjust the colors a bit and make his insignia more subtle. Make his suit greenish-brown instead of just green, and maybe give him a fedora instead of a Bowl Hat. Finally, but the question mark on a pin/necklace/bracelet/ring/shoes/gloves or tie.

 

[Doc Samson]

It's silly to jump right to TDKR as an influence for a Batman film. There's so, so much in between that can be mined to make great movies.

Maybe, but if not after Nolans Trilogy, when? I have no real desire to see someone try to do a "Nolan" style Batman film without Nolan and Bale having anything to do with it. IMO, TDKR is the one thing we still haven't seen, as far as a live action Batman, that could be incredibly fresh. It's going to happen eventually, the story is just too good and If WB ever hopes of coming close to matching TDK's success ever again, it would be wise to make it soon

 

[raybia]

I would love to see TDKR done after Nolan finishes and I think it should be done by the same people who did Sin City.

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

Nolan makes shallow, cold, and soulless Batman films. He should just dump the whole realism bit and make a stylized Batman film for once (remember good old mise en scene). This realism **** is insulting to the character, and not too mention the Nolan films take themselves too seriously. Begins was only good because of Year One and Liam Neeson, TDK only made money because someone took too many sleeping pills. But that's just my opinion.

And no this isn't a "troll post," just my genuine feelings on the new Batfilms.

 

[Gilpesh]

make a stylized Batman film for once

Awww, someone's upset there weren't nipples on the Batsuit...

(remember good old mise en scene)

Using the term mise en scene just makes you a snob... not a movie expert... especially when you want bat nipples.

This realism **** is insulting to the character

Clearly bat nipples are more insulting.

TDK only made money because someone took too many sleeping pills.

Uh-oh... looks like Tim Burton signed up here to b***h.

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

You don't have to insult me, it's just my opinion and last time I checked I'm entitled to it. And no, I don't particularly care for the nipples on the Bat suit.

I just like the Batman and Batman Returns more than any of the Nolan films.

 

[raybia]

Nolan makes shallow, cold, and soulless Batman films. He should just dump the whole realism bit and make a stylized Batman film for once (remember good old mise en scene). This realism **** is insulting to the character, and not too mention the Nolan films take themselves too seriously. Begins was only good because of Year One and Liam Neeson, TDK only made money because someone took too many sleeping pills. But that's just my opinion.

And no this isn't a "troll post," just my genuine feelings on the new Batfilms.

Yes, you are entitled to your opinion. I wholeheartedly disagree with you though on that opinion on so many levels that it seems pointless to list them.

I will say this though, This realism though is what has brought respectability back to Batman to not only from Batfans but from the general audiences, critics, and even from the Academy itself in that they are seriously considering TDK for major awards including Best Picture. If you call the effects of Nolan's realism insulting to the character then I pray to God that he continues to insult Batman in the next movie.

 

[Gilpesh]

You don't have to insult me,

And you don't have to throw around terms to make your opinion seem any better... even though you brought up no problems with the mise en scene in the Dark Knight.

Also, how does the realism insult the character? You didn't seem to introduce any evidence that lead you to your opinion of it... like not being able to pull off Batman's most iconic enemy the Joker... but wait, they did that.

it's just my opinion and last time I checked I'm entitled to it.

And I'm entitled to call out someone using "mise en scene" on a superhero message board...

I just like the Batman and Batman Returns more than any of the Nolan films.

Oh and I figured from the snipe at Ledger that you did.

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

When you start to take dramatic liberties with the characters, Joker perma-white, and explanation of Batman's gadgets, you lose some of the magic behind the characters. Batman should be a creature of the night, not someone who has Q-Branch at his disposal. The feeling and tone of the Burton films are things that in my opinion can never be toped. I watched The Dark Knight with my family and my parents fell asleep. Being a child of the eighties and seeing one of my all time favorite characters being confined to the real world depresses me. I want Batman to be in his own world, not mine. The blurring line between fantasy and the real world is what I find insulting. Batman should be cinematic and visual experience, not a drama like Seven. I just prefer my Batman dark and stylized, instead of filled with exposition and explanation. I feel this is one of the major flaws of the new Star Wars films as well. Not everything needs to be explained, I just want to be entertained.

 

[raybia]

When you start to take dramatic liberties with the characters, Joker perma-white, and explanation of Batman's gadgets, you lose some of the magic behind the characters. Batman should be a creature of the night, not someone who has Q-Branch at his disposal. The feeling and tone of the Burton films are things that in my opinion can never be toped. I watched The Dark Knight with my family and my parents fell asleep. Being a child of the eighties and seeing one of my all time favorite characters being confined to the real world depresses me. I want Batman to be in his own world, not mine. The blurring line between fantasy and the real world is what I find insulting. Batman should be cinematic and visual experience, not a drama like Seven. I just prefer my Batman dark and stylized, instead of filled with exposition and explanation. I feel this is one of the major flaws of the new Star Wars films as well. Not everything needs to be explained, I just want to be entertained.

I agree with you about taking dramatic liberties with the characters.

I loathed Burton for making the Joker the killer of Bruce Wayne's parents instead of Joe Chill, Batman using machine guns to kill his opponents and making Harvey Dent black.

 

[kid dropper]

Batman and Batman Returns are a couple of prime examples of overstylized artificially grim, Burton-centric nonsense that look like they were made on soundstages with actors in costumes. Why do you want to go back to that ? You are the one who wishes to insult the subject matter.Nolan simply honors it. His films are sleek, thought provoking affairs, not fetishistic goth fashion shows masquerading as Batman tales. The first one i will give you is solid for the most part, but the last 20 minutes almost destroy everything before it. The second is barely even worth addressing. does that really remind you of the Batman of the comics? A Penguin with black blood who bites peoples noses off? a Catwoman who was revived from death by being licked by cats? Batman using a ruse straight out of a sitcom to derail Penguin's mayoral campaign? For all its realism and percieved lack of stylization, i know Nolan's films remind me of the comics.You want extreme stylization, go look at back issues from the Kelley Jones era (which i absolutely love). Dont **** on Nolan because he had the balls to grant the material real world gravity and reverence, a Gotham that seems like a believable, inhabitable place. Dont **** on Heath because he gave us a Joker that was truly frightening . One day del toro or snyder or whatever other auteur hoplessly stuck in some limited personal style and asthetic like Burton will take over again, and youll be happy. But for now im glad to see movie history and bat-history unfold so beautifully hand in hand.

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

The comics and the movies should be two separate entities. But look at Punisher: War Zone, very true to the comics and very stylized. Personally I think it was better than The Dark Knight. It just comes down to taste, I like theatrical cinematic experiences and today people like realism. I think 9/11 has something to do with the urge to make things real. And yes I would like to go back to the Burton films, they are what I grew up with and were my first introduction to Batman.