The Dark Knight Rises Are Nolan's Batman Films Really THAT Realistic?!

[Catman]

Sometimes I think fans get too caught up on the so-called realism in Nolan's Batman films. At the end of the day, this is still the story of a billionaire who dresses up like a bat to fight criminals in clown costumes. So, despite all the realism it's still pretty... un-realistic. That's why I don't understand all the complaints and concerns about the Lazarus Pit in Dark Knight Rises. As long as Nolan uses SCIENCE instead of the supernatural we'll be fine. And if Nolan has figured out a way to make the Lazarus Pit work in his universe then that opens the door to MANY other things like, you know, BANE! Will we see a juiced-up/HUGE Bane beat up Batman?! It seems very likely at this point.

 

[TheBatman072]

...we don't even know it's a Lazarus Pit.

More likely than not it ISN'T a Lazarus Pit.

 

[Catman]

Even if it isn't, why dismiss the idea so quickly? That's what I'm asking. Is Nolan's Batman universe really THAT realistic that the Lazarus Pit could not possibly exist?

 

[Motown Marvel]

i think the films are far less realistic than they pretend to be.

 

[Catman]

i think the films are far less realistic than they pretend to be.

I think Nolan is more interested in making things logical instead of realistic. Nothing about these Nolans films are realistic. But they sure make sense compared to what Burton and Schumacher gave us.

 

[TheBatman072]

Even if it isn't, why dismiss the idea so quickly? That's what I'm asking. Is Nolan's Batman universe really THAT realistic that the Lazarus Pit could not possibly exist?

Nobody's said they were. Nolan's Batmovies are just based in a reality with fantastic elements in them.

He's said as much himself on several occasions.

It's how you can have a Secret Ninja Organization, a fear gas, a microwave emitter, a Two-Face, and a Joker.

Look at Batman: Long Halloween. Realistic setting, fantastic characters.

But that hole probably isn't a Lazarus Pit.

 

[Bat-Mite]

I don't think it's a Lazarus pit, but I wouldn't be put off if it was. Unlike others, I wouldn't feel that a Lazarus pit would be out of place in this series.

These movies are like Blade Runner in that they aren't even remotely realistic, but as Motown put it, they pretend to be. Sadly, there are still people who don't realize this and seem to think that the events in these movies could actually happen in real life.

 

[Troy_Parker]

What's a Lazarus pit? Is there a set pic I've missed out on??

 

[Majik1387]

Yes, these. The green is green screen btw.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Thanks dude. =]

 

[thedrizzle59]

my belief is that it is a Lazarus pit. The pit contains a substance that when injected into the bloodstream gives off strength, rapid healing, but with consequences. This is where banes venom comes from. Maybe if the league is back it uses the substance to destroy Gotham in a way.

 

[Majik1387]

Because it's impossible for it to be the Lazarus Pit and do that for Bane as well.

 

[Solidus]

Film it self is not really realistic. Film has temporal jumps, subjective shooting, cuts out parts of the world it does not want the audience to see and guides them through the world they want them to. Even a lot of war movies, there are parts where the way they show it (not all) but that go over the top.

Films like Begins and TDK don't "pretend" to be realistic any more then films like Die Hard do. In reality a guy like that would have been easily mowed down by Germans with machine guns. I mean we could find the unrealistic loops in every film out there if you spent enough time doing it. Film again itself is really heightened reality.

Having said that would everything that happened in TDK happen in real life? Parts of it could, but not all of it together could. I think that film itself really just tries to blend it self into reality more so. Now of course something like Batman goes even higher in its heightened reality, because they are events that don't happen every day to us. But just as much as No Country for Old Men does because almost none of us have been chased down by a maniacal psychopath because we stole drug money.

The word realism is thrown around a lot, by the fans and haters alike. I think that Noaln's films have a heightened believability, and are as believable as some event like this could possibly be.

So to me are they that realistic? Not many films (especially blockbusters) are. You could take one aspect of a film, and say that may be possible, but if you added the whole film together the chances that one man to do all those things would be slim. Just as much as many other films. I believe that in this genre, it is realistic. But compared to what...reality? I don't find many films that do. Usually we are the type that scream: "It does not happen like that in real life!"

 

[Catman]

The green is green screen btw.

But it's still a hole in the middle of nowhere. What else can it be except the Lazarus Pit?

 

[Solidus]

Well some are saying that there is going to be an explosion there, but we have no idea. As Saint brought up...if it was the LP why would it be in the open? Would there not be a fortress around it? Or caves? But I don't care if it is the LP or not I think it would be fine, but I don't think it is. But we shall see.

 

[Majik1387]

Oh I know it's the Lazarus Pit, you'll find me saying that in the info hunters thread.

In regards to the whole "why isn't it in a cave" or whatever, would something in the middle of nowhere really need to be hidden away?

 

[TheBatman072]

Oh I know it's the Lazarus Pit, you'll find me saying that in the info hunters thread.

In regards to the whole "why isn't it in a cave" or whatever, would something in the middle of nowhere really need to be hidden away?

Because anybody can still get to the middle of nowhere?

I've already mentioned this, but I guess it bears repeating.

Let's say it IS a Lazarus pit, and for argument's sake, let's say it works exactly like it does or did in the comics.

One use for one person to be rejuvenated and that's it, after that it's worthless.

Why on EARTH would ANYONE let something so valuable just be out in the open for literally anyone to walk by and investigate the weird pool full of glowing green water?

Ra's would have either built strongholds around these pools that weren't hidden away or found them in caves or caverns.

You protect the things that give you life WITH your life.

Simple logic.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Seriously, is this thread really necessary? Lol

 

[TheBatman072]

Seriously, is this thread really necessary? Lol

To talk about Ra's Al Ghul: The Movie? Absolutely.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I don't care what they are, I love them.

 

[Majik1387]

Because anybody can still get to the middle of nowhere?

I've already mentioned this, but I guess it bears repeating.

Let's say it IS a Lazarus pit, and for argument's sake, let's say it works exactly like it does or did in the comics.

One use for one person to be rejuvenated and that's it, after that it's worthless.

Why on EARTH would ANYONE let something so valuable just be out in the open for literally anyone to walk by and investigate the weird pool full of glowing green water?

Ra's would have either built strongholds around these pools that weren't hidden away or found them in caves or caverns.

You protect the things that give you life WITH your life.

Simple logic.

First, from what I remember, it's not a 1 time use only pit, but I could be wrong.
Second, so what if others can find it, you really think only Ra's has access to it?
Third, some of the best things for people are hidden in plain sight.
Fourth, considering it's green screen, who knows if the water is going to be some green stuff. Is that why people are thinking it's only gonna be a pool for Bane's venom? Because it looks like the venom used in Batman & Robin?

Seriously, is this thread really necessary? Lol

Probably not, but I don't see it doing any harm.......yet

 

[TheBatman072]

nope, I was right. Lazarus Pits, as they naturally occur, can only be used once. And then, useless.

And yeah, if Ra's was absolutely devoted to his cause and if he was anything at all like his comic book version, he himself would be the only one to use the pits.

And hiding in plain sight is all hunky dory until some goat herder trips and falls into the pit and comes out all insane and strong and young.

Sorry, logic dictates that Ra's would guard these pits with everything he had.

This is probably not a Lazarus Pit.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah, Lazarus pits in the comics are always found in hidden caves and caverns.

 

[Majik1387]

Well according to the DC wiki, Ra's daughter found a way for it to work indefinitely instead of just one time(yeah I know, she stabbed him instead of letting him use it), so I don't see it out of left field for Nolan to have Ra's figure it out for himself.
As for it's location, it apparently forms at random places, I don't see somewhere out in the open is an impossibility.

 

[TheBatman072]

Well according to the DC wiki, Ra's daughter found a way for it to work indefinitely instead of just one time(yeah I know, she stabbed him instead of letting him use it), so I don't see it out of left field for Nolan to have Ra's figure it out for himself.

Found a way for them to work indefinitely EXCEPT it's been known to backfire.

Which is why I said "when they occur naturally."