First Avenger should Red Skull be the only villain?

[TheWatcher]

Red Skull-Main Villain.Mads Mikkelsen
Baron Zemo-Mad scientist.Thomas Kretschmann
Master Man-Power house.?

 

[Deaths Head II]

well yea skull definately needs to be the main focused villain. But there is still plently of time and placement to have a scene or two with him and hitler, or even zemo guy.

Yeah, but they got the origin, Cap's establishment as an Icon, the Invaders, and Cap's "death" all in this movie.

If the have more then one villain and make it work I'll be all for it, but it would be pretty tough. Maybe it would be best just to have essentially a cameo role for someone like Zemo and develop him in a sequel.

 

[bubbadoom]

Well, if they are doing the entire Cap and Bucky on the rocket thing, and they are keeping it true to the comics, the Zemo MUST be in it, too! Personally, I would save all that stuff for the prologue to the Avengers movie, but it does not sound like they are being that smart.

 

[Webhead2006]

well what i meant death, sure skull will be the lead villain, but like i said if there is just some scene or two placed in the movie with skull talking to hilter that would be cool. and then the zemo guy could easily just be some random guy in hood dude and maybe a line or two or he is addressed as zemo and boom.

 

[Deaths Head II]

well what i meant death, sure skull will be the lead villain, but like i said if there is just some scene or two placed in the movie with skull talking to hilter that would be cool. and then the zemo guy could easily just be some random guy in hood dude and maybe a line or two or he is addressed as zemo and boom.

Yeah, but thats what I mean by essentially a cameo role. Something to establish that Zemo was a part of the Nazis at the time but nothing major.

Hitler will probably be referred to all the time and maybe he can have one scene or so where he makes an appearance.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea that is how i would handle guys like zemo. So then you have them there and they play a key part in the film.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I would give Zemo a look like this with a black hood so he fits in more with the rest of Hitler's men compared to his usual comic purple/pink outfit.

 

[redlion2]

I would give Zemo a look like this with a black hood so he fits in more with the rest of Hitler's men compared to his usual comic purple/pink outfit.

You must have read my mind because that's exactly the way I pictured Zemo if he gets a chance to be in the film. A black hood to go with a Gestapo uniform and a subordinate to Red Skull.

 

[Webhead2006]

that would be a good way to probably go there.

 

[NEXUS 6]

You must have read my mind because that's exactly the way I pictured Zemo if he gets a chance to be in the film. A PURPLE hood to go with a Gestapo uniform and a subordinate to Red Skull.

Had a small error in an otherwise perfect post redlion.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Why purple? What significance does it have? It doesn't serve any intimidation purposes like Red Skull's mask/deformed face. Does it serve any essential character or story purpose? I'm pretty sure it doesn't since he wore the hood just to cover his face. He wore purple in the comics but he also wears pink and yellow. If you use loyalty to the comics as an excuse then the mask should be pink, not purple. I don't think anyone wants to see a dude wearing a pink mask on screen. At least with black it will match his black uniform and it would even give him the appearance of an executioner, making him even more intimidating.

Plus with a purple hood he reminds me more of the Hate Monger anyway.

 

[NEXUS 6]

I just think it looks coolest. Just my opinion.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Fair enough.

 

[Spider-Fan]

When I think multiple villains, I don't think people like Zemo, etc. Main threats. I think more like Crossbones and bruiser type characters. If we have the Invaders in this film, then we need more than just Red Skull. Otherwise, we'll just see those guys fight generic Nazis. I think Crossbone like, or henchmen-ish characters can work in the film, also. Even someone like Baron Strucker can be worked in. Zemo I'd prefer not to see. He's too much a main threat for me to see him as a side guy.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I don't think he needs to be shown as a side villain. I think it would be good to give him a cameo as a major player in the Nazi war machine so if he appears in a sequel he won't be that big Nazi villain that somehow wasn't mentioned at all in the first film. He can be a major Nazi figure who just has a hand in the events but is not immediate or accessible enough to be on Captain America's warpath, like Hitler or any real Nazi leader that probably won't be taken down in the film.

I think Zemo should be cameo as part of a special council of Nazi leaders or as someone Red Skull contacts for aid in some way.

 

[BrlntDsgse]

I think if Zemo were only given a cameo that it would be a bit odd to the general audience to see a meeting of high-level Nazi leaders and one of them just happens to be wearing a Cobra Commander hood. I'd like to see him as the top scientist of whatever "master plan" Skull has in the film. Not exactly a subordinate to the Skull, depicted as an equal to him in the Nazi heirarchy, just not the main villain of the film.

 

[Spider-Fan]

But, we're only getting 1 WWII era film. So, why are we hinting at Zemo? He won't be fighting him in this film in all likelihood. I would imagine future sequels take place in the present, so it wouldn't be the first Zemo they would even be fighting! It would be Zemo II. We're setting up a villain in a sequel whom we will only see again in the form of a future version?

I don't think it is a good idea.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I think if Zemo were only given a cameo that it would be a bit odd to the general audience to see a meeting of high-level Nazi leaders and one of them just happens to be wearing a Cobra Commander hood. I'd like to see him as the top scientist of whatever "master plan" Skull has in the film. Not exactly a subordinate to the Skull, depicted as an equal to him in the Nazi heirarchy, just not the main villain of the film.

Well they could have it mentioned that Baron Zemo's face was burned off. If they have him create something like Adhesive X then they could have him present it to Red Skull. The two could talk and the conversation could end with Red Skull saying "By the way, why are you wearing that ridiculous mask?" And then Zemo could say "I had an... accident... during development."

Or they could even show Zemo create Adhesive X (or whatever invention the plot might center around) early in the film and show him fall into a vat of the stuff when Captain America comes a-knocking. This could be used as Captain America's first introduction to the Nazi's plan in the film. Zemo could then appear again with a hood later in the film with the finished version of the invention to present to Red Skull.

But, we're only getting 1 WWII era film. So, why are we hinting at Zemo? He won't be fighting him in this film in all likelihood. I would imagine future sequels take place in the present, so it wouldn't be the first Zemo they would even be fighting! It would be Zemo II. We're setting up a villain in a sequel whom we will only see again in the form of a future version?

I don't think it is a good idea.

Zemo II is the ancestor of Zemo I, who worked with the actual Nazis. So instead of having a generic nazi working with Red Skull, they could just name him Baron Zemo. He could even just be a regular Nazi leader, but it's still better for the universe then just having generic Nazi leaders in this movie and then have Baron Zemo II show up in the next film with no Baron Zemo I to refer to. It's not mandatory, but I think it would be better.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Zemo would be a good sequel villain for Cap, so why waste him in a film that should center on Skull vs Cap? Now, someone less commanding like Baron Strucker, I am all for. But, not Skull and Zemo together. Bad idea.

 

[Deaths Head II]

As a reference Zemo I would be perfect. I have a hard time imaging Marvel actually NOT having Baron Zemo in this film actually as at least a generic Nazi. Marvel Studios films have loads of cameos, easter eggs, and obscure references. If they don't have a random Nazi working with Red Skull named Zemo I will be surprised.

And it's funny you say Zemo is a waste but then bring up Strucker. Strucker is more of a waste since he should be in modern times working against Nick Fury and operating as leader of Hydra in the Nick Fury movie. At least Zemo will be replaced by Zemo II so his presence here in this film doesn't affect anything.

 

[Spider-Fan]

As a reference Zemo I would be perfect. I have a hard time imaging Marvel actually NOT having Baron Zemo in this film actually as at least a generic Nazi. Marvel Studios films have loads of cameos, easter eggs, and obscure references. If they don't have a random Nazi working with Red Skull named Zemo I will be surprised.

And it's funny you say Zemo is a waste but then bring up Strucker. Strucker is more of a waste since he should be in modern times working against Nick Fury and operating as leader of Hydra in the Nick Fury movie. At least Zemo will be replaced by Zemo II so his presence here in this film doesn't affect anything.

Zemo II is one of my personal preferable picks for the Avengers film, assuming they try using the Masters of Evil. I think he would be a great sequel villain for the Avengers, also. But, I don't think we need Zemo to be a major character in the film or a subordinate to the Skull in order to achieve that. Hinting at him or something, okay. But, I'd rather he not actually be used. Takes too much focus from Skull, I think, and not overtly necessary to set up Zemo II.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I wouldn't like him taking focus off Red Skull either, but if they're going to have a Nazi leader walking around with Red Skull or something anyway then they might as well call him Zemo instead of making up a name like Klaus Von Wolfenberg or something.

 

[Artistsean]

Zemo should be used as a small (non speaking) cameo.
Imagine if these were Nazi bad guys, and Zemo was in the scene some place
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Imagine a scene like this:
Hitler is talking to the Red Skull, in the background some troops are doing stuff. One of the Nazi soldiers in the back could be Zemo.

He wouldn't have a speaking part, so that any actor could be cast and wear the mask. Later, when Zemo has a bigger part and a speaking role the real actor could be cast.
This would give Zemo a small cameo that wouldn't take away from Red Skull or Captain America, but still show that he was there.
He could be shown more than once too, still only as a small camoe and no talking.
For example, we see Zemo in the background behind the Red Skull and Hitler doing something. Later when the everyone is fighting we could see him in the background doing something (perhaps running away to the Amazon).

The point is, because Zemo wears that mask he could be shown without being a main bad guy and without having to actually cast him yet. Because of his mask he would be visible.

Other "human looking" bad guys can be used maybe. Like a young Strucker or Zola tortures Captain America in one scene. He wouldn't be a main bad guy, just a quick cameo. But still I say just stick with a small non speaking Zemo cameo.

 

[Webhead2006]

some good ideas about the zemo guy. and i am sure they will probably make refrence or we could see a few ww2 baddies of cap in the film. We just dont know whats going on yet.

 

[BrlntDsgse]

I suddenly had a brainstorm......I'm sure the movie won't do this, but I think it's an interesting idea...

What if the Nazi spy that kills Prof. Erskine poses as one of his lab assistants , shoots the prof , but instead of being killed in a struggle with Cap, is just left disfigured(cut or burnt somehow) and still manages to barely escape with a crude sample of the serum(perhaps the same kind Blonsky took in TIH). He is then shown boarding a Nazi sub bound for a return to Europe and is revealed to be a Nazi spy by the name of.....Heinrich Zemo. Then he could be shown as one of those working to create and train the Red Skull. This would give him a Cap-related reason for wearing the hood later on, and include him and his hatred for Cap in a way that 1. would be more than just a cameo and 2. would not have to feel like too much crammed into the movie, as it works into both Cap and the Skull's stories in an organic way. I have a feeling that this will be the only time we'll see live-action Cap in WWII, so they should try to include as many facets of that era as they can and Zemo was a close second on Cap's list of villians back in the day.