Should the Avengers be pushed back?

[BloodyWolverine]

There won't be an IH2. My guess is we will see Banner in either Captaina America or Iron Man 2 and ofcourse Aka The Hulk.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I hope TIH gets a sequel sometime.

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I'd like to see the Leader.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I was about to make a thread in this vain.
It's time for Marvel to pull back in their franchises and sustain themselves for the long haul instead of blowing their load as fast as possible.

2011-Spiderman 4, Captain America, Avengers, (IF DC gets another one of their franchises up), TDK2

It's just too much.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I was about to make a thread in this vain.
It's time for Marvel to pull back in their franchises and sustain themselves for the long haul instead of blowing their load as fast as possible.

2011-Spiderman 4, Captain America, Avengers, (IF DC gets another one of their franchises up), TDK2

It's just too much.

Batman 3 would be more accurate to call it, since TDK is a sequel itself.

But yes, if Bats 3 comes out in 2011, 2011 is way to crowded. I have started this discussion in many threads.

 

[FaT_tONle]

See this is what I am talking about... lets say Sony sits on SPiderman... holds out for the 2011 June release... then where the heck does BB3 go? It needs to go Holiday 2011... OR WB can do BB3 5-6 years down the line with an older Batman, which is always a possibilty. Maybe Bale would still come back by then... Indy 3/Mummy 3/Rush Hour 3 all took many years in between the second and third. Lets not rule that out for the current Batman franchise. But those films can't all make it that year. That or Spiderman 4 HAS to go to 2012... I don't even want more SPiderman films after the garbage that was SM3. The book is closed IMO. I'd like to see another TIH semi reboot with that if we HAD TO HAVE more Spidey films.

 

[Spider-Fan]

SM3 didn't close the book (and I still like the movie). I think there is a lot of potential for future SM films. He has more villains that I think would work on film and many places to go with the character still. I am interested to see where SM4 will go. I think BB3 can afford to be a 2012 release and so could Avengers. If SM4 is delayed past 2011, then it runs the risk of going into devlopment hell and being rushed later on, while Avengers would only get more time for the production to breathe and Nolan could do something between TDK and BB3.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Nolan doesn't need four years to do something else in between. But we have learned that WB isn't the studio that will rush to meet a deadline unlike Fox and Sony. BB3 won't happen for summer 2011 if these other studios make the move first. That said... its STILL too crowded. Why should Avengers be pushed back for another Spiderman film? The two projects won't even be comparable IMO. If Spiderman wants to take on Cap then let them. Put it a week later... sandwich it between Potter and Captain AMerica. Or put it a weekend after both. The fact that they are going to be recasting will already spell diminished returns. The movie will easily be outgrossed by Potter 7 Part 2 and it won't make much more than Cap IMO. Sony will be the ones running for a June release. Marvel shouldn't budge if they don't want to. I'd preferably move everything back a year but I am not Marvel and I am sure that's not what they are thinking of doing if this ends up being the case.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Nolan doesn't need four years to do something else in between. But we have learned that WB isn't the studio that will rush to meet a deadline unlike Fox and Sony. BB3 won't happen for summer 2011 if these other studios make the move first. That said... its STILL too crowded. Why should Avengers be pushed back for another Spiderman film? The two projects won't even be comparable IMO. If Spiderman wants to take on Cap then let them. Put it a week later... sandwich it between Potter and Captain AMerica. Or put it a weekend after both. The fact that they are going to be recasting will already spell diminished returns. The movie will easily be outgrossed by Potter 7 Part 2 and it won't make much more than Cap IMO. Sony will be the ones running for a June release. Marvel shouldn't budge if they don't want to. I'd preferably move everything back a year but I am not Marvel and I am sure that's not what they are thinking of doing if this ends up being the case.

You're right, the last Potter movie will trump everything in its path. No argument there. However, Spider-Man is still a brand and Cap isn't as light-hearted as IM, so I think Cap won't make IM money but will still be successful and SM4 may gross high depending on quality (though it will lose BO due to it being a 4th film and recasting). My point being, Sony still has more power with SM than Cap. I hope BB3 doesn't try for 2011 Sony settles for June with SM4. Otherwise, the schedule will need to be overhauled.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Regardless.. I don't think the Spidey franchise is 300 million dollar plus potential once they go with the inevitable recast... don't get me wrong... 275 plus is still a very good budget for a film that will go back below the 200 million dollar budget. But that's if the movie is done right. If it's bad people will lose interest and the film will seriously underacheive. Cap can make the same amt domestically as I said over at the other thread if its done right. That said... Cap would be the so much better off in July. I think Marvel is worried that if they hold out on Avengers then the actors might walk. That's the reason they have set their deadlines as such... 2012 would doom Ed Norton's return IMO. No other way around it. Don't believe for a second that Marvel is flexible with these releases.

 

[YJ1]

I agree. I want to see an Ant-Man film too, but I'd imagine we will have to wait until after Avengers for it.

And I'm thinking they would probably use Giant-Man for Avengers since Wasp would cover the shrinking aspect.

Obviously, I'm a big Hank Pym fan but even I wonder if Ant-Man can work as a successful feature film. I certainly wouldn't waste any of the Avengers' budget on Giant-Man. With so many great character powers, keep it Ant-Man.

Where the hell does Runaways fit in to all of this??? Marvel announced they are planning that film. Splitting the Cap film and Avengers in to separate years would be awful if they are truly setting up Avengers with the Cap film. The working title says it all... Captain America: FIRST AVENGER. Marvel needs them released in the same year.

I'm quite sure that Spider-Man 4 won't tread on Cap. It's Harry Potter that I'm worried about.

 

[Hellstormer]

I really don't wanna see another ****ing Spiderman movie. I think DC should shoot for Batman 3 to hit the same time as Avengers since that's the one thing that could possibly compete with it. That or a frikken awesome Superman movie.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I'm quite sure that Spider-Man 4 won't tread on Cap. It's Harry Potter that I'm worried about.

Sony is just throwing out dates to appease the fan boys and bloggers across the internet. Need to give us something every now and then. Anyways, I agree though. If Marvel doesn't budge Sony will give it at least four weeks separation meaning June. I doubt execs are eyeing specific release dates let alone worried about what Marvel Studios plans are at the moment.

And as far as Marvel "blowing their load" as a previous poster put it. I totally agree... but we need to understand, I don't think Marvel thinks Thor, Cap, and Hulk are sustaining franchises by themselves. Eventually you run out of movie material. And if they retain that working title then Marvel is staying put in my opinion. HP3 is not a threat IMO. No more than Narnia 2 and Indiana Jones. It'll make it's 300 but that's about it. It's a built in fan base that is gradually getting older. Cap should still pull in AT LEAST 200 domestic.

 

[The Major]

They should do Avengers before IM 2 IMO.

With Cap and Thor on the move in the next stage of films they'd have already set in up all that needs to be done film wise for Avengers.

With Downey Jr. already signed on to Cowbys & Aliens and no real work has began on IM 2 Marvel seems to have missed their chance to do a sequel before Avengers.

I'd rather wait for a sequel of IM then have it rushed with or without Favreau.

They can always make a new IM later on. Hopefully with the entire cast and crew back.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I actually prefer sequels before the Avengers movie. I was 100% sure we'd see IM2 before Avengers. RDJ really has nothing scheduled as of yet so he has plenty of time to do another film bewteen now and the end of the year/start of next year (other than IM2 of course). I think that if Marvel wants Cap and Avengers in the same year here is what they could do. Give Caps release date to SM4... release TIH 2 in June 2011... Ant-Man in late July of August 2011 (depending on whether there is a third Batman film slated)... then release Cap Memorial Day weekend 2012 and Avengers July 4th 2012. That's pretty decent spacing IMO. And it's plenty of time to get all the work done in between now and then.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Should Avengers be pushed back? Probably. At least an extra year which I think is perfect timing. Come out the summer after its scheduled allow for all the characters solos and a few sequels maybe to fit in with no problem

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Leave it how it is. It doesn't need a whole intro for Ant Man in Avengers. Have him already established and then he can quickly explain to Captain America (once he returns) how he became Ant Man and how he became an Avenger. That way once Ant Man comes out (after wards) people will actually go see it. Seriously, no one knows who Ant Man is and to tell you the truth, the name doesn't sound to promising...

 

[FaT_tONle]

Ant-Man would flop no question... TIH 2 getting a quick green light for 2011 is risky as it won't make much more than TIH to be honest. It's not a bankable franchise. That said... that doesn't change plans for an SM4 or BB3. Those films could get pushed to 2012 and we'd be fine. Are the other studios going to delay and pretty much hand Marvel two summers all to itself though. I mean June is available but that is a crap release date. So we just have to wait and see what these other studios put out on their slate. Anyhow I am not worried about SM4. Not a fan of a direct sequel anytime soon. I'd prefer they redo the origin opening credit with some animation of the new Parker and we get something along the lines of TIH... a movie that could easily sell as a sequel but isn't a sequel in actuality. I mean it's a big summer. But someone has to take a back seat. Three Marvel films of that magnitude is pushing it and we shouldn't see anything like this again IMO.

 

[Mutagen]

They should definitely push back the avengers.