The Dark Knight Rises Should the Nolanverse Continue After Batman III?

[jmc]

Once Nolan has completed this series the best thing I believe is to let someone else come in a do their own thing a few years down the line. What I would hate for WB to do is to try and emulate what Nolan did to Batman with someone else, I'd hate for WB to say to the next guy 'Just do it like Chris did'. For someone else to come in afterward and try to continue on from what Nolan did is a huge mistake IMO because no matter how much they try it's never going to be same. Not only that, the cast and crew are unlikely to stick around, in that case you're more or less starting from scratch anyway. So why try and pass something off as being in the same continuity when the director, the cast, and the crew are all going to be different and there fore will all bring different ideas and interpretations into the fold? I say after Batman 3 gets released, give the Bat a rest for a while, give some of the other DC characters their time in the spot light and then revisit the character say 5-6 years down the line with a fresh approach.

 

[Motown Marvel]

What if a director feels the characters of The Joker and Two Face are central to what he wants to do? He can't do Two face because he's dead. What if his vision involved deeply different versions of the two?

I know what you might be thinking, bring in a director that can work well with what he's got. But why miss the opportunity to see another amazing director give us his take on Batman because he can't use his own vision?

directors come aboard with an understanding of the parameters they need to work within, same with the comics, same with other movie franchises. this is nothing out of the ordinary.

 

[Jolly C.]

i totally agree with this ^. Having the other DC characters come out into the spotlight is a great idea, then everyone will get relaxed about needing batman to come back into film since the nolan movies will be finished. Someone else can come in later on and tackle batman in their own interpretation.(which better not suck lol)

 

[KalMart]

the franchises werent in continuity with each other. this current franchise was a much needed fresh start for many reasons. there is no reason to restart the franchise after nolan.

Some would beg to differ. A version that's less 'realistically bound', etc.

constant re-starts and re-boots is just stupid and pointless.

Well...just a few every once and a while isn't that bad. Just give it, say, six years off, and audiences will be more than ready for a new start.

when done properly, its rather rare this happens (particularly in batman's case). and it certainly doesnt happen from story arc to story arc. that'd just be ignorant.

Well, unlike comics...films CAN do that, and most people who go to the movies are there to see movies, not experience what it's like to follow comic books, even if the story is based on a comic book. So to them, nothing has to follow the same rigid guidelines that another format does. If they like the brand new and separet continuity presented in front of them, then they have no problem letting the older one stay where it is....just like with Bond and Star Trek...and Batman, as well once BB came out. Sure, it's a testament to how well Nolan made the films, but let someone else do it differently down the road and not be bound to maintaining continuity because the comics do.

 

[thedrizzle59]

HELL NO

Just let Nolan's vision end with nolan's directing, then in 5-10 years reboot batman with Zack Snyder and Frank Miller doing THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. Its honestly that simple Hollywood!

 

[KalMart]

I wouldn't go with Snyder, though.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

IMO. It's WAY too risky to reboot the Nolan movies and start over.

WB has so much to lose from such a move, especially after all it took to get Batman back up and running again.


One bad decision as far as the franchaise goes and Batman is screwed again, back in limbo... and all of Nolan's efforts would have been in vain. They almost effed Batman up bigtime in Justice League:Mortal.

The safest move would be to use the Nolan films as the origins and move on to Batman 4... continuing the storyline from Batman III. Also maintaining the same dark, gritty and hyper-realistic tone of the Nolan films.



At the very least, I'm hoping they'll hire Nolan as a creative consultant (similar to Superman) to mentor another young director with Batman 4.. at least then we'll get a smooth transition in passing the torch.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

HELL NO

Just let Nolan's vision end with nolan's directing, then in 5-10 years reboot batman with Zack Snyder and Frank Miller doing THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. Its honestly that simple Hollywood!

Synder is awful and Watchmen was an epic fail.


That would be horrible.

Not to mention TDKR would be the end of a franchaise, not a good beginning or continuation of one.

 

[Crook]

That depends. I always thought a nice rework of TDKR could be a cool set-up to an equally reworked Batman Beyond. But that'd never happen.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Part of me says no just because nolan has created something so great its hard not to picture someone coming in and providing an inferior version.

At the same time reboot to me is synonymous with failure. Now I highly doubt the 3rd filmd will fail therefore i really don't think we'll need to see a reboot of the franchise. Batman deserves better than perpetual reboots. Batman 3 will not be spiderman 3 or ang lee's hulk let alone B&R...shudder.

 

[ClintDracula]

Personally I'd like to see someone top Nolan. Something Darker with more of the Sci-Fi elements. Bring in Man-Bat, Clayface, Killer Croc, Mr.Freeze, etc.

Nolans vision of Batman is pretty damn good, but I'd like to see more Supernatural/Super Science Villains, and Something a tad bit more comicbook-like.

 

[thedrizzle59]

Synder is awful and Watchmen was an epic fail.


That would be horrible.

Not to mention TDKR would be the end of a franchaise, not a good beginning or continuation of one.

What are you talking about? Zack Snyder doesn't suck at all! Watchmen was a good movie, and 300 was too. I like his artistic style and his ability to recreate from graphic novels. Sure he changes a few things from the soruce material, but NEWS FLASH: so does everyone else. He and Miller have worked together before, he's stated that he wants to take on the project, and WB knows this. His style for TDKR would be both awesome and exciting to see.

Also, when it comes to making TDKR into a movie, there doesnt have to be multiple films to follow it! let it be a stand alone adaption. It would just be a movie based on a graphic novel, thats all! There doesnt need to be sequel after sequel with that film. it sickens me that Miller is writing a sequel or prequel to 300. why cant they just let it be? Anyways i digress...

No one should continue Nolans Batman films except Nolan. I hope to God Nolan ends his 3rd movie without any possible way of continuing his story. This is his (and his team's) adaptation of the character and if someone else wants to give Batman a try later on, weather it be Snyder or whomever, then let them create their own adaption of the character. Its driving me insane how these studios are rebooting franchises that aren't even a decade old. These characters will always be there later Hollywood, let them get some rest before you ****e them out again and again.

 

[jmc]

I don't quite understand people's fear about rebooting. You're essentially going to be starting from scratch anyway in terms of director, cast, writing team and crew, you're almost rebooting by default. The beauty of Batman is that the character can be interpreted a variety of ways, this shouldn't be feared, it should be embraced.

 

[ClintDracula]

As for Snyder, he's a damn good director, BUT I wouldn't really want to see something Page for Page on film.

That's what I enjoy about Nolan, it's not Page for Page, and its very original, but at the same time it's really faithful to the source material.

 

[Gilpesh]

What are you talking about? Zack Snyder doesn't suck at all! Watchmen was a good movie.

So so so so so wrong.

No one should continue Nolans Batman films except Nolan.

Weird. This is actually correct.




And to answer the question of the thread: No. The 'Nolanverse' shouldn't continue after Nolan is done. The Batmanverse should continue though. At this point... no one needs to spoiler warning that Bruce Wayne is Batman and that his parents were murdered right in front of him, causing him to want to fight crime. Just like Superman and being sent from space. The next movie after Nolan's final Batman one, should just not go over the origin and just go on, like someone said before, James Bond. They can also handwave when it comes to bringing back any dead characters from this series... like every comic does.

 

[jmc]

Meh, Synder has shown he's good at copying other peoples work and not much else. He's no hack, but at the same time he hasn't shown any originality.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Yes. But only 1 more movie.

 

[ChickenScratch]

I'm not for it. Just about anyone stepping into that role replacing Chris will have big shoes to fill and no matter how well he does he'll be savagely criticized. It'll be seen as a lesser follow up no matter how well it may be executed.

A change in creative teams should mark a change in direction of the films I think. A more fantastic translation, something more retro in the Sky Captain vein, something more violent, something surreal. It could go so many ways, why stick to one version when a character that lends himself so well to different interpretations be locked into one?

 

[Brother Jack]

Just let Nolan's vision end with nolan's directing, then in 5-10 years reboot batman with Zack Snyder and Frank Miller doing THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. Its honestly that simple Hollywood!

If I never hear this suggestion again it will be too soon.

Synder is awful and Watchmen was an epic fail.


That would be horrible.

Exactly.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

What are you talking about? Zack Snyder doesn't suck at all! Watchmen was a good movie, and 300 was too. I like his artistic style and his ability to recreate from graphic novels. Sure he changes a few things from the soruce material, but NEWS FLASH: so does everyone else. He and Miller have worked together before, he's stated that he wants to take on the project, and WB knows this. His style for TDKR would be both awesome and exciting to see.

It was an epic fail for Warners, it did very poor box office and the studio considers Watchmen a disappointment.

Synder's crappy direction is very much to blame IMO. Plus, personally I hate his constant slow-mo action nonsense and homo-eroticism constantly thrown in.

Also, when it comes to making TDKR into a movie, there doesnt have to be multiple films to follow it! let it be a stand alone adaption. It would just be a movie based on a graphic novel, thats all! There doesnt need to be sequel after sequel with that film. it sickens me that Miller is writing a sequel or prequel to 300. why cant they just let it be? Anyways i digress...

That would be pointless to the Batman film franchaise. Warners likely isn't interesting in investing in a 'standalone' for the character.


Any chances of Dark Knight Returns DIED with Watchmen's box office failure.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

I'm not for it. Just about anyone stepping into that role replacing Chris will have big shoes to fill and no matter how well he does he'll be savagely criticized. It'll be seen as a lesser follow up no matter how well it may be executed.

A change in creative teams should mark a change in direction of the films I think. A more fantastic translation, something more retro in the Sky Captain vein, something more violent, something surreal. It could go so many ways, why stick to one version when a character that lends himself so well to different interpretations be locked into one?

You can still keep the universe Nolan established and bring in *some* fantastic elements into it..

Nolan's stuff is hyper-realistic, meaning it's not 100% realistic... this was most notable in stuff like Two Face's appearance.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Synder's crappy direction is very much to blame IMO.

The Watchmen story itself is off-beat and appeals to certain people but definitely not everyone. I love Iron Man, but let's face it. That movie has a pretty formulaic story and in many ways it is the perfect summer movie because it can appeal to pretty much everyone for a number of reasons.

Snyder's direction was good. Yes, the slow-mo is ridiculous, but it didn't ruin the movie or anything. The movie was destined to flop IMHO. You give a movie like that such a big budget and it's a big risk.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

Not necessarily, the story was deep but no deeper than TDK.

Good direction made all the difference. Watchmen *could* have been commerically successful, the hype was definitely there.. but the final film had very poor legs and didn't resonate with general audiences AND many fanboys as well.

It scored lower than it could have with critics as well http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/watchmen/

12 points lower than Superman Returns. It was a disservice to Moore's novel.

 

[thedrizzle59]

I didn't mean to set this thread off topic about Zack Snyder and his direction. Lets just talk about weather or not Nolans films should be continued after nolan is gone.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

everything seems to indicate that the third film in this series wil be Nolan's last

i know he will end it on a good note, and i think it's best that this series/franchise continue

even if Bale, Oldman, Caine, etc. do not return there are capoable enough actors to keep portraying those roles

as long as the new series keep faithful to what Nolan has established then we should be good. i feel someone like Darren Aronofsky or David Fincher can do a great job like Nolan

perhaps having Nolan stay on a producer