The Dark Knight Rises Should the Nolanverse Continue After Batman III?

[J.Howlett]

Earle,

We had that with Batman Forever and Batman & Robin.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

The thing is the Nolan films established the PERFECT origins groundwork.


This ground work established Batman, his supporting characters, The Joker etc so perfectly..

Everything he established CAN be continued in future films (Batman 4 etc), without going back and reimagining everything....AGAIN

Nolan set up a billion dollar Batman franchaise, it would be a complete waste to throw away everything he set up with his Batman origins franchaise.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Earle,

We had that with Batman Forever and Batman & Robin.

No we didnt.

 

[Doctor Jones]

The thing is the Nolan films established the PERFECT origins groundwork.


This ground work established Batman, his supporting characters, The Joker etc so perfectly..

Everything he established CAN be continued in future films (Batman 4 etc), without going back and reimagining everything....AGAIN

Nolan set up a billion dollar Batman franchaise, it would be a complete waste to throw away everything he set up with his Batman origins franchaise.

No, it's a waste to not move forward and explore new possibilities with the character. Fanboys need to stop being scared that anyone else other than Nolan or his world will be diminished because it's what they love. Move forward with something new. There's no point if Nolan won't even return. It's foolish to do with that attitude. "Oh, well, Nolan did it best, we should just stick to his vision!" It's no longer his vision when he's not apart of it. A director could have something new and different and I will sure as hell want to see it. We will always have Nolan's three Batman film, but it's time to move in another direction.

 

[J. Custer]

I want it to continue and end in 18 years with the Dark Knight. I can wait.

 

[Mr. Earle]

^ You mean Batman Beyond right?

 

[J. Custer]

^ that will be 20 years after The Dark Knight Returns. I'll be 80 and won't give a GD hoot about Batman by then.

 

[J.Howlett]

Jones,

You can have new possibilities without having to reinvent the franchise again. Reinvent the franchise through story purposes and plot demands...not to just change it and do a different Batman...again.

And Earle, we did have what you want...it just wasn't very good. That's different.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Jones,

You can have new possibilities without having to reinvent the franchise again. Reinvent the franchise through story purposes and plot demands...not to just change it and do a different Batman...again.

And Earle, we did have what you want...it just wasn't very good. That's different.

Batman Forever and Batman & Robin = comics Batman?
I dont think so.

 

[redfirebird2008]

^ that will be 20 years after The Dark Knight Returns. I'll be 80 and won't give a GD hoot about Batman by then.

BS. You'll have Batman-themed diapers in the nursing home. t:

 

[DarkKnight FTW]

If that's what the next director wants to do. I agree that some elements should be kept but I wouldn't totally hamstring a new team with the nolanverse. It's like when a new writer takes over a monthly, that's how I look at it. I doubt WB will want to do another origin though because he's already been re-established and is at the forefront of the general public's consciousness(sp).

 

[J. Custer]

@redfirebird2008

haha! We laugh now.....

 

[General Vulcun]

Whether a Batman comic is completely realistic or fantastical visually means nothing when it comes to one being a fantasy world and the other not, because all the comics function in worlds of pure fantasy. It really all comes down to personal opinion on A) the type of stories that are told (the darker, grittier stories as opposed to the campy, silly stories), and B) the visual style that you like (which obviously could reflect the type of story being told.

Just because the Nolanverse has visuals that mirror our world (to a degree) does not mean it mirrors our world in function as well. Depending on the way Nolan tells the story & the tone he wants the stories to follow, those will dictate how the film looks, and for Nolan they look like they do exist in a world similar to ours, which is a valid interpretation of the character, no matter preference. The way Gotham looks, the way certain objects look, they way some characters look, etc., all come across like they could possibily exist in our world, but obviously they don't.

There are several instances of science-fiction in these films, but there's also instances of the supernatural, The Joker being one of the more glaring examples. No matter how much Nolan's interpretation of The Joker looks like he squarely belongs in a world like ours, the way the character functions in The Dark Knight is not only clearly not of our world, but draws bits of inspiration from all different Batman comic sources; from the criminal mastermind of the '40s, to the playful clown of the '50s & '60s, to the crazed psychopath of the '70s, and so on. Nolan's Joker is not simply of a realistic interpretation of Batman, he's a combination of all different styles and interpretations of the character spanning 65+ years.

Whether Nolan wants to use characters like Manbat and Clayface remains to be seen, because I do believe that this interpretation of the mythos does not exclude such characters from having faithful and exciting interpretations in his films. It all depends on the story they come up with, and if Nolan comes up with a fantastic story that only Manbat or Clayface could satisfy, I would not be surprised at all if he uses them and uses them well.

 

[regwec]

The Nolanverse ends inexorably when the Nolan bros stop making Batman movies. New directors cannot be restrained from giving sequels their own flavour- it would subdue the creative process and make for boring, comprimised movies.

But should there be yet another reboot after Chris Nolan, Bale et al move on to other things? Or should no more Batmovies be made? I don't think so, on either count. Just let the next man or woman in the director's chair make the decisions they choose, without reading the book of Genesis to us again. If a director wants to make a featurelength episode of The Wire with Batman and The Penguin, then let them. If they prefer to have a bleached white Joker teaming with the reptilian Croc in order to defeat a spandex-costumed Batman, then fine. In neither case does the audience need everything invented anew.

 

[jmc]

James Bond treatment would work best for Batman. Never a direct sequel to each other.

I've never liked that idea, the Bond franchise basically became it's own parody until the Casino Royal reboot. I'd hate for Batman to go the same route.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I've never liked that idea, the Bond franchise basically became it's own parody until the Casino Royal reboot. I'd hate for Batman to go the same route.

Thats pretty harsh, jmc.

 

[KalMart]

James Bond treatment would work best for Batman. Never a direct sequel to each other.

I dunno...Bond seemed to still have some pretty heavy Vespa issues in Quantum Of Solace.

 

[ChickenScratch]

I dunno...Bond seemed to still have some pretty heavy Vespa issues in Quantum Of Solace.

It's Vesper.

And as a literary Bond fan I don't like that they did the books out of order and had to remove the connective tissue. It's all one long story but the movies treats them as separate. It works for the casual movie audi9ence though so I don't quibble because I know what's missing.

 

[KalMart]

It's Vesper.

Ah.

And as a literary Bond fan I don't like that they did the books out of order and had to remove the connective tissue. It's all one long story but the movies treats them as separate. It works for the casual movie audi9ence though so I don't quibble because I know what's missing.

And you wonder how he can stay secret when he's been at the core of every major international incident et al. You'd think that any bad guy doing anything bad would have his face on a poster in the office or something....and pick him off before he even entered the country.

 

[jmc]

Thats pretty harsh, jmc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Bond fan, but the films did start to become gimmicky with the gadgets and henchmen and the over the top stunts, only occasionally would they be more character driven like CR or OHMSS.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Bond fan, but the films did start to become gimmicky with the gadgets and henchmen and the over the top stunts, only occasionally would they be more character driven like CR or OHMSS.

Casino Royal was no fun, had no gadgets and it was boring. If i wanted to watch a Poker tournament i would have done so instead. Yeah i know that's how Flemming wrote Bond but i didnt have a good time watching it.

"Goldeneye" is my favourite Bond movie. The combination of fun, action, drama, insight into Bond's psych and rogue 006 made the movie for me.

"Tomorrow Never Dies", "Goldfinger" and "The man with the golden gun" are tied in second place.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Ah.


And you wonder how he can stay secret when he's been at the core of every major international incident et al. You'd think that any bad guy doing anything bad would have his face on a poster in the office or something....and pick him off before he even entered the country.

But they do during the course of the series. As I said, the stories adapted from the books leave out a lot.

 

[KalMart]

But they do during the course of the series. As I said, the stories adapted from the books leave out a lot.

Well...if we could spend the same kind of time to watch a movie as we would to read a book....

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

A decade of Nolan movies is enough.

The Nolan-verse should end when Nolan is finished with the franchise.

 

[IBRAH08]

I want Batman's villains in the Batman films. Not in Batman Beyond, nor in some other sequel set in the future.

Its comics. Superman can fly, shoot lasers and freeze things with his breath. Batman is a normal man who fights clowns, freaks, monsters and alien gods. Throw realism and rationalisations out of the window and enjoy the ride.

Exactly what I've been thinking as I read up to this point. I mean ;et's have Bruce as our Batman in more than 3 stories. Also if you adapt TDKR really loosely, that's just gunna piss people off. And when I think about it now, if you keep Nolan's continuity to some degree and then throw in some sci-fi, that would be even cooler. It would really but you in Batman's position. like, here is this world that we live in where have a very strong understanding of what is possible and what isn't and then Imagine something like clayface and how that would turn that notion on its head and how disorienting that would be. With the hyper realistic backdrop it makes any sci-fi villains all the more frightening.