Should we, the fans be given the chance to sigjn off on superhero movies?

[atlantianelder]

Hello Dudes and Dudettes,

X- Men 3 was a dissapointment as far as staying true to the characters. I don't think anyone will fight me on that. I think that since the internet is such a wonderful tool to unite people. Marvel, DC (and all movie studios for that matter) should run ideas by the ubergeeks like myself and let us vote on critical character development crap. It would be easy - web page - questions - yes or no responses. Some idiot working for the director would then bring ( the director ) the data and show him that 99.9% off the people poled thought killing such and such character was a really bad idea ( for instance!)
See that way, idiots running studios get free expert advise - we the audience don't even get the plot spoiled for us, because the questions would be strictly "yes or no polls". Writers would have a great starting point, because at least they know where not to tread! I really feel that the fans need a tool to guide projects that have no guidance!

Tell me what you think-

P.S If anyone out there knows studio executives, make them read this, and also tell them " Anything they can do I can do better!"

 

[Kotagg]

No way. Fans are too biased, and have many stupid ideas in the first place.

It's like people getting mad at Lucas for doing certain things in the prequels. It's his job to do this stuff, not ours.

 

[Aiden]

Was a second thread really needed?

 

[Cyclops]

Yes, fans are biased, but I do think they should at least take what we have to say in consideration rather than just blow us off.

While we may not know how to make a movie, we do know who these characters are and what makes us love them so much.

 

[ampersand]

There is a reason that beign a fan doesn't instantly make you a writer. If the crazy people on this site got control over a script it would turn to crap in no time.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

i have a feeling i posted in this thread already....cept its a new one... did u remake it?:P

 

[skruloos]

No. While the above statements about fans are true, it's also the fact that we relate to these characters in different ways. That is, what I like about Cyclops might not be what another person likes or relates to. So what would the studio do? Pander? That's never a good idea. And neither is filmmaking by committee. You end up diluting your product when you've got too many chefs in the kitchen.

 

[Cyclops]

There is a reason that beign a fan doesn't instantly make you a writer. If the crazy people on this site got control over a script it would turn to crap in no time.

That's why fans should merely be taken into consideration. Someone should be reading what we have to say and go "You know, they have a good point. We really did screw such and such up. Maybe we should try a different approach."

 

[XCharlieX]

I think it depends on the directors approach. If hes doing something very close to the comic then have a blast folks. If he is like Singers style (and Ratner sounds consistent) it will be more realism based, and so I think the cinema minded fans (such as me) could be doing the feedback. Having said that i think nobody should be approached in this fictional situation until they know how to critique effectively and not at petty things ie the majority will never be ready heh.

 

[ReaperFett]

That's why fans should merely be taken into consideration. Someone should be reading what we have to say and go "You know, they have a good point. We really did screw such and such up. Maybe we should try a different approach."

But fans complain about EVERYTHING. If they listened to us, Hugh Jackman wouldn't be Wolverine.

 

[atlantianelder]

I would argue for instance that Lucas did a terrible job on the prequels. Everyone who saw the original movies assumed that Obi-Wan spoke of Anakin as if they were the same age - as if they met during their " tour of duty". Lucas had no back story - it was obvious to me that he peiced the prequels together shortly before filming - he in fact did the characters, and the universe for that matter - no justice. AND HE"S THE FREAKIN" CREATOR!
Sylvester Stallone once said that even though he created Rocky, he realized that he did not have creative license to the character because once a character is embraces by pop culture and becomes bigger than the big screen, that the actor who portrays that character, and the writer who invented the character only have the right to represent that character. Furthermore he stated that the audience takes obscure creative license as a betrayal. Why? Because we genuinely love the character - Even if he or she only exhists on screen.

 

[Cyclops]

No, that's what would happen if they kowtowed to demands. "Listening" is an entirely different thing altogether. Or do you not trust the basic ability of people to discern intelligent criticisms from brainless *****ing?

I'm not saying they should have bowed at the altar of comicbook fans and done everything we wanted them to do. I think they should have at the very least taken what we had to say into consideration. Surely, the sheer amount of people that felt that such-and-such was a bad idea was a sign that it actually was a bad idea, right?

 

[atlantianelder]

Maybe you didn't read my thread carefully. Tha audience woud only get to answer yes or no - no details whatsoever. Like should Cyclopse marry Jean in the movie? Yes or No? Crazy people cannot screw up a movie with these type of questions.
In philosophy they call your type of dismissal " throwing the baby out with the bath water" meaning you found a minor glitch, and are not willing to work out the kink - just throw it all away. Nope. I challenge you to think harder!

 

[Kotagg]

Again. There's a reason they get paid to do it and we don't.

 

[atlantianelder]

Not true. They get paid because they were at the right place at the right time - no other reason. Do NOT beleive that those people in Hollywood are better than you in any way. I have met many of the top stars, producers, and directors - They are lucky S.O.B.'s. Don't sell yourself short!

 

[atlantianelder]

I agree with you that fans are important. The problem is that if everyone had a chance to unload their shpeal - the movie would never get made. They would be reading our blogs for centuries. Simple YES or NO questions is all we would get. Something that could be posted in five minutes and polled for a week or two. THAT they can afford to give to us - and I say we should demand it. After all, Don't they pick the prettiest girls and guys to be in these movies? Why? Because they want a sure hit. WE would only be providing another meens to that end. They actually NEED our help. We pay their wages!

 

[ampersand]

Not true. They get paid because they were at the right place at the right time - no other reason. Do NOT beleive that those people in Hollywood are better than you in any way. I have met many of the top stars, producers, and directors - They are lucky S.O.B.'s. Don't sell yourself short!

Lets see your script then.

 

[atlantianelder]

Nope. We wouldn't control the script. We would answer questions for the writer and the directors that they are up in the air about. We would only be polled.

 

[Kotagg]

They're not "better" as people, that's true. However, you don't just land in a directing position. There's luck, and then there's luck.

These guys and gals have gone through schooling, studied directing for the majority of their lives, and know what they're doing.

Coaching from the sidelines is ALWAYS easy, because there's no accountability.

 

[atlantianelder]

I agree with much of what you say - but I reiterate that all we would do is Vote on if it's a good idea. The powers that be can use our opinions or not - we would only be giving free advice in the form of statistics.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Not true. They get paid because they were at the right place at the right time - no other reason. Do NOT beleive that those people in Hollywood are better than you in any way. I have met many of the top stars, producers, and directors - They are lucky S.O.B.'s. Don't sell yourself short!

True, we are all human.
If all filmmakers had been smarter than the audience, we wouldn’t even be here complaining about inconsistencies in movies in the first place. If they are such professionals, why some of the fans can come up with much better and widely approved ideas than they can?

That’s actually a very good idea. That would really give a true concrete hint to the filmmakers on what the fans really want.

 

[블라스]

No way. Fans are too biased, and have many stupid ideas in the first place.

It's like people getting mad at Lucas for doing certain things in the prequels. It's his job to do this stuff, not ours.

 

[atlantianelder]

Many of the most well known Directors never went to Film School - and some to crappy ones at that. Cameron was with Roger Coremen - OK. Talented people exhist in all walks of life. Some people couldn't follow their dreams because 1) They had to support a family 2) Mom and Dad are broke - no film school 3) The job of their dreams was attainable, but it didn't pay crap!
All of the above are my reasons. I was aproached by Jimmy Palmiotti to draw at Marvel. They offered me $ 150.00 per finished page - that's Two to three days work - who can live off that? AND I know that I'm not alone - many people get the shaft from the get go. TRUST ME - it's luck.

 

[Movies205]

Hello Dudes and Dudettes,

X- Men 3 was a dissapointment as far as staying true to the characters. I don't think anyone will fight me on that. I think that since the internet is such a wonderful tool to unite people. Marvel, DC (and all movie studios for that matter) should run ideas by the ubergeeks like myself and let us vote on critical character development crap. It would be easy - web page - questions - yes or no responses. Some idiot working for the director would then bring ( the director ) the data and show him that 99.9% off the people poled thought killing such and such character was a really bad idea ( for instance!)
See that way, idiots running studios get free expert advise - we the audience don't even get the plot spoiled for us, because the questions would be strictly "yes or no polls". Writers would have a great starting point, because at least they know where not to tread! I really feel that the fans need a tool to guide projects that have no guidance!

Tell me what you think-

P.S If anyone out there knows studio executives, make them read this, and also tell them " Anything they can do I can do better!"

NO! Quite simply... Fans are not writers, when fans realize this the better. Plus it's not your work or your art, it's for the people to enjoy but it isn't theres. Plus that's the amazing thing about art, you fans really want take what makes arts amazing and shove it down the toilet. Art is amazing because it takes someone else's thoughts and ideas and there put into a story, something we'd never think of because it unique to that story. It's like this I did not dig Christopher Nolan's vision of batman but other people did, and the world moves on. So no...

 

[skruloos]

AND I know that I'm not alone - many people get the shaft from the get go. TRUST ME - it's luck.

Yes. But if you also think that everyone is talented as filmmaking, then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd love to sell you.