Should Wonder Woman be the lead character of the DCEU?

I agree that the JL would feel incomplete without Superman and Batman.

Having said that every character goes through highs and lows in popularity - and at the moment WW is the best received DCEU character by a looooonnnngg way. In the 70's and 80's Superman was the only real superhero in town in terms of movies - no one else came close (and some of Supes movies were terrible).

Why not build a JL around her ? If she's the character who has the strongest appeal to audiences, then what's wrong with that ?

Maybe in the comics Batman and Superman have been DC's core characters - like Spider Man for Marvel - but right now WW has absolutely captivated audiences and critics alike.

Seize the moment and the opportunity, it's her time to shine, so why not run with it ?
I would argue Ben Affleck received just as much praise for his Batman as Gal did her Wonder Woman. It was the writing of the character that some took issue with, but he's a different character now.
 
I would argue Ben Affleck received just as much praise for his Batman as Gal did her Wonder Woman. It was the writing of the character that some took issue with, but he's a different character now.

I was just going to say the same thing.
 
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I would argue Ben Affleck received just as much praise for his Batman as Gal did her Wonder Woman. It was the writing of the character that some took issue with, but he's a different character now.

Hmmmm...... it's difficult to really separate the IMO poor characterisation of Batman, as an easily manipuated paranoid psychopath, from Affleck's performance.

Both Ben and GG were convincingly badass in their respective roles, but it takes more than that to bring a character to life and make them someone we can engage with as an audience

Did Affleck really get as much praise as GG ? I honestly don't know so I cannot refute what you've said. However, while Affleck carried part of B v S, and IMO not all that well (again, maybe just the terrible way he was written) in contrast GG carried the whole WW film and did an amazing job.


Personally, I thought she was the best thing about the WW film - she really carries it, as a lot of the other characters were very 2D and one-note (especially the villains).

I think that JL will really show us whether Batman or WW are going to be the DCEU's lead character - although to me that really just means that their character is the focal point for team movies.

Although I have high hopes for Ezra Miller's Flash and Momoa's Aquaman !

Time will tell I guess, but based on current events I can't see anything wrong with making WW the DC equivalent of the MCU's Captain America - while Batman fills the same role as Iron Man.
 
I think SUICIDE SQUAD and WONDER WOMAN showed pretty clearly which character is going to be the "focal point", if there is to be one. The only leaguer to show up or have an influence outside the main heroes of the film?

Bruce Wayne.

Which spinoffs are being announced with directors attached? Batman-related ones.

He's the major selling point of the new JUSTICE LEAGUE trailer, too. Granted, that may change with subsequent films, but for now, that's pretty clearly the way they're headed.

Add to that the fact that Affleck is a popular celebrity and a truly established actor and this really isn't rocket science, at least for the next film.

I do think however that the plan was always to have the trinity be the focal points of the universe. Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, hence DAWN OF JUSTICE.

Wouldn't bat an eye if Diana shows up somewhere in AQUAMAN.
 
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I agree that the JL would feel incomplete without Superman and Batman.

Having said that every character goes through highs and lows in popularity - and at the moment WW is the best received DCEU character by a looooonnnngg way. In the 70's and 80's Superman was the only real superhero in town in terms of movies - no one else came close (and some of Supes movies were terrible).

Why not build a JL around her ? If she's the character who has the strongest appeal to audiences, then what's wrong with that ?

Maybe in the comics Batman and Superman have been DC's core characters - like Spider Man for Marvel - but right now WW has absolutely captivated audiences and critics alike.

Seize the moment and the opportunity, it's her time to shine, so why not run with it ?
Exactly. Diana is easily the most well-received character in the DCEU so far. Seems pretty obvious to build around her. As for Batman being more popular, yeah I agree he is. He's my favorite superhero ever.. but these things change

At one point, Batman being bigger than Superman was considered ridiculous. The idea that studios would use Iron Man to help sell a Spider-Man movie was laughable. Who knows if Wonder Woman ends up becoming DC's most popular character? Crazier things have happened
 
In short, no. As far as I'm concerned post JL is the time to let the characters do their own thing, allow them to develop their own mythologies.
 
Exactly. Diana is easily the most well-received character in the DCEU so far. Seems pretty obvious to build around her. As for Batman being more popular, yeah I agree he is. He's my favorite superhero ever.. but these things change

At one point, Batman being bigger than Superman was considered ridiculous. The idea that studios would use Iron Man to help sell a Spider-Man movie was laughable. Who knows if Wonder Woman ends up becoming DC's most popular character? Crazier things have happened

That's the thing though Wonder Woman is the best recieved so far because Batman and Superman aren't acting like their traditional selves. They could be just as well received as her if they're written more like they usually are. If Wonder Woman was written in a controversial way too (think of her portrayal in the Injustice games) she would not be getting nearly as much love. Wonder Woman is clearly the most popular DCEU hero but the fact that she isn't THAT much more popular than a highly divisive Batfleck shows he has a lot of potential.

We should wait and see if JL sees Batman and Superman drop the divisive aspects they've shown in the DCEU so far. The popularity of those 2 can skyrocket if that happens.

Also since Gotham City Sirens, Nightwing and Batgirl are going to be made Batman will have the most movies related to his franchise. That's coupled with his own solo film and appearances in the JL films he will easily appear in or at least be referenced in the most films. I think the Trinity should be the faces of the DCEU but just looking at it Batman may be treated as a 1st among equals.
 
Exactly. Diana is easily the most well-received character in the DCEU so far. Seems pretty obvious to build around her. As for Batman being more popular, yeah I agree he is. He's my favorite superhero ever.. but these things change

At one point, Batman being bigger than Superman was considered ridiculous. The idea that studios would use Iron Man to help sell a Spider-Man movie was laughable. Who knows if Wonder Woman ends up becoming DC's most popular character? Crazier things have happened

I'm afraid it just makes sense at this point to use WW as a focal point of the DCEU. Most of the rest of the DCEU hasn't worked as far as audience reception is concerned. You see what they did with Harley Quinn...? GCS was immediately slated and the same is going to happen with WW.

You wanna bet as we continue along towards JL, we get more WW in the trailers than we do Batman? Again....just makes sense. Plus there's rumors about Affleck wanting out of after The Batman. You need a face of the franchise, someone who is going to put butts in seats, and right now Gal is the hottest thing going. In fact, I'd bet WW shows up as a minor character in the Superman and Batman solos.

If you're WB/DC and WW has just knocked out a home run when everyone else has struck out or grounded out, you want her back up to the plate as soon as possible.
 
Exactly. Diana is easily the most well-received character in the DCEU so far. Seems pretty obvious to build around her. As for Batman being more popular, yeah I agree he is. He's my favorite superhero ever.. but these things change

At one point, Batman being bigger than Superman was considered ridiculous. The idea that studios would use Iron Man to help sell a Spider-Man movie was laughable. Who knows if Wonder Woman ends up becoming DC's most popular character? Crazier things have happened

Exactly right, times change and some characters' appeal waxes and wanes.

Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman have all had moments of peak popularity.

I would suggest Superman was on the wane at the end of the Silver age, and Byrne's reboot lifted him back to lofty heights of popularity.

Batman really experienced a resurgence with Miller's DKR and follow up Year One.

Wonder Woman, I've never really paid much attention to (well, except for Lynda Carter) but when George Perez took over she got a boost.

No doubt there will future characterisations of Superman and Batman - some good, some not, and maybe even some great - like Christopher Reeve's portrayal.

But this moment unquestionably belongs to Wonder Woman, and I think the DCEU should capitalize on that and give her as much of the limelight as possible - it's the springboard effect, use WW's terrific debut to help launch other characters (and hopefully JL will do that).
 
I'm afraid it just makes sense at this point to use WW as a focal point of the DCEU. Most of the rest of the DCEU hasn't worked as far as audience reception is concerned. You see what they did with Harley Quinn...? GCS was immediately slated and the same is going to happen with WW.

You wanna bet as we continue along towards JL, we get more WW in the trailers than we do Batman? Again....just makes sense. Plus there's rumors about Affleck wanting out of after The Batman. You need a face of the franchise, someone who is going to put butts in seats, and right now Gal is the hottest thing going. In fact, I'd bet WW shows up as a minor character in the Superman and Batman solos.

If you're WB/DC and WW has just knocked out a home run when everyone else has struck out or grounded out, you want her back up to the plate as soon as possible.

Totally agree, and good baseball metaphor !
 
I'm afraid it just makes sense at this point to use WW as a focal point of the DCEU. Most of the rest of the DCEU hasn't worked as far as audience reception is concerned. You see what they did with Harley Quinn...? GCS was immediately slated and the same is going to happen with WW.

You wanna bet as we continue along towards JL, we get more WW in the trailers than we do Batman? Again....just makes sense. Plus there's rumors about Affleck wanting out of after The Batman. You need a face of the franchise, someone who is going to put butts in seats, and right now Gal is the hottest thing going. In fact, I'd bet WW shows up as a minor character in the Superman and Batman solos.

If you're WB/DC and WW has just knocked out a home run when everyone else has struck out or grounded out, you want her back up to the plate as soon as possible.

The problem is though by suddenly making her the focus point of JL you're potentially selling the audience something that isn't reflective of the final movie. It's basically too late to do anything about JL with regards to WW role.

The only real thing WB should be doing now is moving on to a WW sequel as soon as Patty Jenkins is ready to do. And the key is when she is ready, not when they are. Marvel tried to spit out an Iron Man sequel 2 years after the first film even though John Favreau wasn't ready and that turned into a dogs breakfast. Right now WB need to follow Nolan's footprint and let the director develop a follow up movie when they are ready. This will only build anticipation.
 
I don't think the DCEU should have a "lead" character a la Iron Man or Wolverine, that gets stale quickly. If there has to be one though, Wonder Woman is the obvious choice all comics history be forgotten. This Superman is a sulking moron whose inner life consists of other people telling him how to feel and what to do, while standing there silent, offering no insight of his own. This Batman is an unrelieble psychopath, only rivaled by the Joker on how likely he is going to murder everyone involved.

I'm joking, but still, damn Wonder Woman is so important to this franchise.

If anyone should be the strong silent type out of those two, it should be Batman, at least when Bruce Wayne is in his Batman identity, and not Superman. Superman should be far more chatty and outgoing, and as a journalist, have many more opinions. His personality should be more like Gal's Wonder Woman who displays compassion and more of a zest for life. But in reality, as he has been portrayed so far, he is definitely a little too passive and introspective and rather economical on words.

I don't know how well this Superman relates to children or if he would feel awkward around them, or whether children would want to either be around him or look up to him. He doesn't exactly feel approachable at all, which is what Christopher Reeve was, and what Gal is as WW. Gal is extremely accessible and her WW seems like she would love being around young people and being a role model to them.

The thing about leadership is that it can't just be a function (in terms of giving out orders or strategising). It also has to be about character, being willing to serve others and leading by example. Also about how well they relate to others, especially the "little people", and how much of a sense of trust they immediately engender.

If you were to have the Justice League stand up in the United Nations or any diplomatic peace mission, would you really put someone like Superman or Batman up there as they are in the DCEU? Or if the League have to present themselves to the public as a force who can be trusted and are definitely on humanity's side, who would you get to be that public face?

WW is the one with the best people skills who naturally relates to others and immediately engenders trust. There is nothing aloof about this WW, which is exactly what you need. If Superman had been like his traditional self, he would not have been aloof, but this one is remote and transcendent and feels almost removed from humanity rather than having really gotten down to their level to show that he is one of them (even if he is really an alien).

And from a business point of view, it just makes sense to capitalise on Gal's popularity and WW's success. Again, she is the most approachable and people person out of her, Affleck and Cavill and the one who conveys the most enthusiasm.
 
And from a business point of view, it just makes sense to capitalise on Gal's popularity and WW's success. Again, she is the most approachable and people person out of her, Affleck and Cavill and the one who conveys the most enthusiasm.

In fairness to Cavill, he's shown himself to be extremely easy going and approachable. Out of the three actors, I think the most aloof one is Affleck. Cavill also seems to still enjoy playing Superman, whereas Affleck probably regrets having signed up to play Batman in the first place.
 
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I would argue Ben Affleck received just as much praise for his Batman as Gal did her Wonder Woman. It was the writing of the character that some took issue with, but he's a different character now.

WW is beating Batman very, very comfortably in this poll, which has a large number of voters. There are WW spoilers in the link, I should add. I am not aware of any polls with a similar number of voters where Batfleck comes out on top.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/DarthFreds...-opinons-2j1dk?utm_term=.wrlVKzDo7#.aiWvE50bN
 
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I would argue Ben Affleck received just as much praise for his Batman as Gal did her Wonder Woman. It was the writing of the character that some took issue with, but he's a different character now.

That's just incorrect.
 
In fairness to Cavill, he's shown himself to be extremely easy going and approachable. Out of the three actors, I think the most aloof one is Affleck. Cavill also seems to still enjoy playing Superman, whereas Affleck probably regrets having signed up to play Batman in the first place.

I've seen Cavill posing with fans and stopping to take pictures. I think he just needs to work on bringing out his personality a bit more. When he's put next to Gal, because she's naturally more talkative, personable and goofy, she immediately outshines him. Certainly on film though, none of Cavill's personality comes out at all as Superman or Clark Kent.

As for Affleck regretting his decision, well maybe it could turn around for him if the DCEU's feel and tone changes and it becomes a more joyful universe. Unless he was really into all that deconstruction stuff that Snyder liked.

Cavill has an uphill battle though as Superman to turn his image around and not to now feel completely out of personality and character with what has already been established. Unless fans don't care if it is a sudden shift in personality just as long as we get a more traditional Superman. Would people mind if he suddenly seems a different person now and becomes more like WW? I don't think he could fully become like that though, because Gal is just naturally warmer and more approachable and would be the to light up the room if she's with Cavill and Affleck.
 
Wonder Woman was probably the most liked thing about BvS, but Batman wasn't far behind.

Like someone else said, Superman and Batman haven't been their traditional selves in the DCEU. Wonder Woman has been.

If "The Batman" gets the same response Wonder Woman got, with a more traditional Batman, I bet this wouldn't even be a question.
 
There also's the case that Affleck might be recasted in a couple years. It's easier to build around Gal than someone who might not even be in the DCEU in 5 years
 
There also's the case that Affleck might be recasted in a couple years. It's easier to build around Gal than someone who might not even be in the DCEU in 5 years

There is that. MCU have been lucky with Downey - and XCU have been hugely lucky with Jackman.
 
I'd argue that Fox's fixation on Jackman has mainly been a help, but has also been a hinderance.

One of the best things about WW's success is that it may help DC/WB realize that other non-Batman characters can thrive too.
 
Cavill has an uphill battle though as Superman to turn his image around and not to now feel completely out of personality and character with what has already been established. Unless fans don't care if it is a sudden shift in personality just as long as we get a more traditional Superman. Would people mind if he suddenly seems a different person now and becomes more like WW? I don't think he could fully become like that though, because Gal is just naturally warmer and more approachable and would be the to light up the room if she's with Cavill and Affleck.

Any Superman personality change could be passed off as a byproduct of his death and resurrection. "I've learned to appreciate life and people more" kind of thing.
 
I'd argue that Fox's fixation on Jackman has mainly been a help, but has also been a hinderance.

From a business pov it's obviously been good for Fox, but for me personally it's been a bit of a bind. Much as I love Jackman's portrayal I've wanted to see the X-Men show they can stand - and win - without Wolverine.

One of the best things about WW's success is that it may help DC/WB realize that other non-Batman characters can thrive too.

Absolutely.
 
Any Superman personality change could be passed off as a byproduct of his death and resurrection. "I've learned to appreciate life and people more" kind of thing.

I suspect that's what they'll do.
 

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