Since DCEU copies MCU as much as they can,will they do a black lead like Blk Panther?

[semper]

Grid is probably his most iconic due to Injustice 2 but there's also Anomaly, Ratattack, and Variant. The Technosapiens are probably his most impressive foes, but they're a bit complicated to introduce without reworking some things.

I have no idea who those characters even are. You need to be a gamer to be familiar with them. Cyborg has no villains in the comics. Video game adaptations never work, because there isn't enough depth of characterisation to mine.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I have no idea who those characters even are. You need to be a gamer to be familiar with them. Cyborg has no villains in the comics. Video game adaptations never work, because there isn't enough depth of characterisation to mine.

Glad I'm not the only one.

 

[MbJ]

Perhaps we're thinking too literally. It's always possible they could use other untapped rogues from the DC Universe for Cyborg.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

Grid is probably his most iconic due to Injustice 2 but there's also Anomaly, Ratattack, and Variant. The Technosapiens are probably his most impressive foes, but they're a bit complicated to introduce without reworking some things.

cheers

 

[Johnglen]

Marvel has a similar problem in that they didn't have a female lead anywhere near the stature of Wondy (or, to be honest, Supergirl, Batgirl or Harley Quinn). They've spent the last few years building up Carol Danvers' Captain Marvel as their female lead and DC may need to put a similar effort to pump up a lower profile character like Mr. Terrific.

Marvel doesn’t have any problems, they can built a huge franchise around unknowns like GOTG and have something like ant man be a hit. Marvel doesn’t need a female character while Wonder Woman is the only thing WB has besides Batman , when it comes to films these days.

 

[Tg11]

The black lead for DC will be Green Lantern and if it is with DC going in the direction of John Stewart being the title Green Lantern then honestly I would not have a problem with. However, knowing DC they are probably counting on Cyborg to be their equivalent and to be honest Cyborg just isn't in that league.

 

[Juan1193]

I have no idea who those characters even are. You need to be a gamer to be familiar with them. Cyborg has no villains in the comics. Video game adaptations never work, because there isn't enough depth of characterisation to mine.

GRID

ANOMALY

RATATTACK

VARIANT

TECHNOSAPIENS

METAL MEN

I was simply answering a post asking if Cyborg has any villains. Obviously he does. All they're missing is exposure, which a movie can provide, but the ground work is there. You can also throw in The Metal Men, who he has fought and interacted with.

PS: Who are John Stewart's villains? Or does he have to share with Hal?

 

[Tg11]

If anything DC they could make another Steel film or they decide to make a Static Shock film.

 

[MbJ]

I'm not sure how you could make Steel without having him come across as an Iron Man knockoff or too similar to Cyborg.

I remember liking the character from Morrison's JLA, though.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Yeah I think they should cancel GL Corps. Just make a Stewart GL Movie. That would be epic.

 

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PS: Who are John Stewart's villains? Or does he have to share with Hal?

John Stewart fought most of Hal's villains when he took over the the title in the 80's. Black Hand, Tatooted Man, Eclipso, Star Sapphire etc. So yeah, he pretty much does share villains with Hal.

He's also got Appa Ali Aspa, the rogue Guardian who actions led to the creation of the Mosaic world that John protected.

 

[semper]

Interesting to find out that Green Lantern Mosaic wasn't even cancelled for sales reasons or lack of support from fans. Somebody (unknown) high up in DC simply didn't like the book according to Mosaic artist Cully Hamner. Thus perpetuating a lie that books with black leads didn't sell. Based on the health of his sales, John Stewart could probably have carried a run over 100 issues. Damn shame someone powerful felt the need to end the title: Here's what Hamner said:

"(A)s I was told at the time, it didn’t fit with DC editorial vision (whatever that means). Sales didn’t matter, fan support didn’t matter; the first issue sold about 210,000 copies and my last issue sold about 70,000, so there was plenty of support for the book. It was marked for cancellation when issue #5 came out, and they allowed Gerry Jones a year to wrap it up, but there was no doubt that it was being cancelled because somebody upstairs just didn’t care for it. So, I had a feeling after a while of creatively being against a brick wall, and got out before the end. You pay your money, you takes your chances. That’s the biz"

John has always been able to carry a book solo. It just seems like editorial powers that be at DC have not neccesarily wanted his character to have as much prominence. Got worse when Geoff Johns decided Hal was the Mary Sue of Green Lanterns.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Yeah I think they should cancel GL Corps. Just make a Stewart GL Movie. That would be epic.

John truly doesn't have many solid villains of his own. Almost all of his villains have greater ties to Hal or Kyle than John. But the perfect nemesis for John is staring us right in the face.

 

[semper]

John truly doesn't have many solid villains of his own. Almost all of his villains have greater ties to Hal or Kyle than John. But the perfect nemesis for John is staring us right in the face.

I'd argue that a lot of Green Lantern villains belong to the Green Lantern CORPS, as a whole, not just to Hal or Kyle.

The Sinestro Corps isn't a Hal enemy (though Sinestro individually might be considered such. But I'd even consider him fair game for any Green Lantern). Sinestro corps is an enemy of the corps.

Atroticus and the Red Lanterns are Corps villains. John could easily fight the Red Lanterns without "taking" villains people feel belong to others. Obviously smeone like Major Force is a Kyle villain because he stuffed Kyle's girlfriend in a fridge.

John has a pretty great enemy with a personal edge called Fatality, a Green Lantern killer. She appeared first in Kyle's run, but her main motvation for exiisting and killing Green Lanterns was because John was inadvertandly responsible for the destruction of her planet. So while she has fights with Kyle, her biggest beef and biggest motivation is killing John. Fatality's story is pretty much a movie in itself. And though she's an alien, she looks like a black woman (with pointy ears). Not neccesarily a bad thing after Black Panther's black cast success.

I'd say John could also have the Controllers as villains (the off-shoot group of Guardians) as he was the only Earth Lantern that was also a Darkstar (The Controllers version of the Green Lantern Corps). The Contoller's are Green Lantern Corps villains in general, but John has the closest ties to them.

John won't have any shortage of strong villains

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

John truly doesn't have many solid villains of his own. Almost all of his villains have greater ties to Hal or Kyle than John. But the perfect nemesis for John is staring us right in the face.

Honestly it doesn't matter. Just make a great movie and it'll be fine. I mean Logan fought himself and it got a Oscar nod.


Black Man in Space > Wakanda


Just do it right. That'll be the hard part

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Interesting to find out that Green Lantern Mosaic wasn't even cancelled for sales reasons or lack of support from fans. Somebody (unknown) high up in DC simply didn't like the book according to Mosaic artist Cully Hamner. Thus perpetuating a lie that books with black leads didn't sell. Based on the health of his sales, John Stewart could probably have carried a run over 100 issues. Damn shame someone powerful felt the need to end the title: Here's what Hamner said:

"(A)s I was told at the time, it didn’t fit with DC editorial vision (whatever that means). Sales didn’t matter, fan support didn’t matter; the first issue sold about 210,000 copies and my last issue sold about 70,000, so there was plenty of support for the book. It was marked for cancellation when issue #5 came out, and they allowed Gerry Jones a year to wrap it up, but there was no doubt that it was being cancelled because somebody upstairs just didn’t care for it. So, I had a feeling after a while of creatively being against a brick wall, and got out before the end. You pay your money, you takes your chances. That’s the biz"

John has always been able to carry a book solo. It just seems like editorial powers that be at DC have not neccesarily wanted his character to have as much prominence. Got worse when Geoff Johns decided Hal was the Mary Sue of Green Lanterns.

That is a shame.

 

[LTuser]

I'm not sure how you could make Steel without having him come across as an Iron Man knockoff or too similar to Cyborg.

Plus iirc from the comic line, Steel was made during the 'aftermath of the death of superman to Doomsday' storyline..

 

[Detective Conan]

https://***********/adcfanboy/status/965010520054075392

This.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The title of this thread is so... It's so internet fanboy it hurts.

So let me get this straight... The DCEU was criticized for NOT being like the MCU since 2013. Now... Somehow now it's always copying the MCU? You gotta make up your ****ing minds fanboys/girls. The title is as stupid as if I had made a thread going "Will Marvel Try To Copy The DCEU Success Of Wonder Woman With Their Own Female Super Hero Movie?". That would be silly. Just as this thread is silly.

Again... Which is it? And which films in the DCEU exactly have been aiming to ape MCU films? Maybe Suicide Squad? Maybe? Sad to say though films with rag tag bands of misfits that use pop culture songs in the soundtrack predate the MCU, though this might be shocking to the various 20 somethings and younger online these days. JL? The less said of the way that film was wrecked behind the scenes the better but let's give those two into the "win" column in this argument... Okay so MOS, BVS, WW (if someone says it's a copy of a Marvel film they have their heads up their bum. Color scheme, balance of humor, gravitas more than bathos... Sorry, not an MCU film no matter how you try to spin it, especially with Trevor biting it) vs apparently SS and the retooled JL. So... Two films out of a released five could be argued (weakly) are "copying" the MCU.

Also... Uh... Before the JL debacle WB announced the Cyborg film which was before BP had even begun filming.

 

[Greens]

The title of this thread is so... It's so internet fanboy it hurts.

So let me get this straight... The DCEU was criticized for NOT being like the MCU since 2013. Now... Somehow now it's always copying the MCU? You gotta make up your ****ing minds fanboys/girls. The title is as stupid as if I had made a thread going "Will Marvel Try To Copy The DCEU Success Of Wonder Woman With Their Own Female Super Hero Movie?". That would be silly. Just as this thread is silly.

Again... Which is it? And which films in the DCEU exactly have been aiming to ape MCU films? Maybe Suicide Squad? Maybe? Sad to say though films with rag tag bands of misfits that use pop culture songs in the soundtrack predate the MCU, though this might be shocking to the various 20 somethings and younger online these days. JL? The less said of the way that film was wrecked behind the scenes the better but let's give those two into the "win" column in this argument... Okay so MOS, BVS, WW (if someone says it's a copy of a Marvel film they have their heads up their bum. Color scheme, balance of humor, gravitas more than bathos... Sorry, not an MCU film no matter how you try to spin it, especially with Trevor biting it) vs apparently SS and the retooled JL. So... Two films out of a released five could be argued (weakly) are "copying" the MCU.

Also... Uh... Before the JL debacle WB announced the Cyborg film which was before BP had even begun filming.

Yup.

They'll have a black lead when they think it's time to have a black lead. Maybe it's sooner than later, because they're probably seeing dollar signs after Black Panther's projected BO performance. And people will whine about them copying the MCU.

 

[Micromind]

I agree with everything posted by Krypton. Also, Aquaman and Shazam are not copying any MCU movie, and I suppose Matt Reeves' The Batman will be it's own thing too, so..

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Well technically the DCEU has already had a black lead with Will Smith's Deadshot in Suicide Squad.

But anyways, I'd like to see John in Green Lantern Corps, alongside Hal or Guy, in a buddy-cop story.

A Cyborg movie could be cool too with an imaginative director.

 

[Loki882]

Vixen. She could be really cool to see onscreen (plus being a WOC would be different as well).

 

[Guts]

I have no idea who those characters even are. You need to be a gamer to be familiar with them. Cyborg has no villains in the comics. Video game adaptations never work, because there isn't enough depth of characterisation to mine.

Those characters that Juan mentioned are his villains from the comics. First you state that you have no idea who those characters are and then you say he has no villains.

 

[Tg11]

Unless they go the Steel route but just don't cast someone like Shaq to play the role