SILVER SURFER:The Source Material

[Noir]

You know.. I'm working in art school on becoming a colorist and when you look at Kirby's old art it look almost exactly or better than todays artists the only problem is the color, its so flat it doesn't add to the story at all..

 

[Malus]

You know.. I'm working in art school on becoming a colorist and when you look at Kirby's old art it look almost exactly or better than todays artists the only problem is the color, its so flat it doesn't add to the story at all..

First thing I should note is that I'm scanning these panels out of a 33-year old newsprint comic, one that was alraedy a reprint of the original Galactus story, so there was likely some resolution lost and who knows what else before 33 years and my cheap scanner got to it. That being said...

Kirby didn't do the coloring, but even if he had, the results would have been similar.

Have they taught you guys what it was like to hand-cut color separations?
It was a far more restrictive palette a colorist had to work from in 1965, and believe me: The job was a tremendously painstaking pain in the posterior.

I watched someone hand-cutting color separations for a cover I had done in 1986 and knew immediately that job was the last one I'd ever want to have.

And personally, I'd say the coloring was fine for the style of artwork and tone of the story it served, definitely by the standards of 1965.
And I've seen an otherwise good colorist completely overwhelm material that called for a more muted approach.

 

[Noir]

First thing I should note is that I'm scanning these panels out of a 33-year old newsprint comic, one that was alraedy a reprint of the original Galactus story, so there was likely some resolution lost and who knows what else before 33 years and my cheap scanner got to it. That being said...

Kirby didn't do the coloring, but even if he had, the results would have been similar.

Have they taught you guys what it was like to hand-cut color separations?
It was a far more restrictive palette a colorist had to work from in 1965, and believe me: The job was a tremendously painstaking pain in the posterior.

I watched someone hand-cutting color separations for a cover I had done in 1986 and knew immediately that job was the last one I'd ever want to have.

And personally, I'd say the coloring was fine for the style of artwork and tone of the story it served, definitely by the standards of 1965.
And I've seen an otherwise good colorist completely overwhelm material that called for a more muted approach.

Yeah one of the first things we learned was the old style of colour choosing. with the 63 colour palette I would have died if I had to the seperating for the printer, thank god we have Corel..

You do comics too? Colorist or Penciler or Inker?

 

[Carp Man]

Once again Malus, excelent thread. t: You and Retro. That's the 1 thing I love about the Thing, no matter how powerfull his foe seems, he never backs down from anyone. t:

 

[Carp Man]

Classic Kirby cover showing the Cosmically Enhanced Doom slugging it out with the FF... sort of reminds me of an Ali/Frazier fight t:

One of my favorite covers. t: The Thing and Doom going toe to toe.

 

[Vartha]

Yeah one of the first things we learned was the old style of colour choosing. with the 63 colour palette I would have died if I had to the seperating for the printer, thank god we have Corel..

You do comics too? Colorist or Penciler or Inker?

I'm not Mal, but, I did attend the Kubert School back in the mid 80's, we were STILL doing Dr. Martin Dyes then, We had touched on how they had done it the 60's OMG that just sounded like a nightmare.
When I was at the Kubert School, Marvel had just started using a different color process and printer, so We were still being taught the old school way of coloring, inking and Painting (Greg Hildabrandt teacher of the painting).
Even Jim Balent, Adam and Andy Kubert were amazed back then with computor coloring. We wished there was a class for it back then too, but, no.

 

[Noir]

I'm not Mal, but, I did attend the Kubert School back in the mid 80's, we were STILL doing Dr. Martin Dyes then, We had touched on how they had done it the 60's OMG that just sounded like a nightmare.
When I was at the Kubert School, Marvel had just started using a different color process and printer, so We were still being taught the old school way of coloring, inking and Painting (Greg Hildabrandt teacher of the painting).
Even Jim Balent, Adam and Andy Kubert were amazed back then with computor coloring. We wished there was a class for it back then too, but, no.

Computers are a godsend XDD, thank god I'm one of the new Gen that has it so easy.

 

[Malus]

Yeah one of the first things we learned was the old style of colour choosing. with the 63 colour palette I would have died if I had to the seperating for the printer, thank god we have Corel..

You do comics too? Colorist or Penciler or Inker?

Penciling, inking and writing.
I wrote and drew a comic from '95-'98 called Tales from the Bog. You can still find images out there if you Google it.
It's scheduled to come back this summer, in print and online.(I'm sure a link to the new website will be in my signature when it does, if that's allowed.)

My work was more in the style of Bloom County, Pogo or Bone. And in black and white, which I personally prefer for most comics and cartoon work, depending on content.
Superheroes I prefer in color.

 

[Malus]

Once again Malus, excelent thread. t: You and Retro. That's the 1 thing I love about the Thing, no matter how powerfull his foe seems, he never backs down from anyone. t:

You ain't kidding. As shown by the very next panels of FF#49:

 

[Malus]

 

[Malus]

 

[Malus]

It's not like the FF -and especially Ben- don't get in some mighty big licks on Galactus.
He could be stunned, at least momentarily.

 

[Noir]

Penciling, inking and writing.
I wrote and drew a comic from '95-'98 called Tales from the Bog. You can still find images out there if you Google it.
It's scheduled to come back this summer, in print and online.(I'm sure a link to the new website will be in my signature when it does, if that's allowed.)

My work was more in the style of Bloom County, Pogo or Bone. And in black and white, which I personally prefer for most comics and cartoon work, depending on content.
Superheroes I prefer in color.

I just googled Tales from the Bog, looks cool I'll probably get it.. A World without No Cobwebs t:

 

[Vartha]

Computers are a godsend XDD, thank god I'm one of the new Gen that has it so easy.

Well I still preffer pen and ink over inking with the putor, even tho it can be easier at times, you can hang the art up too afterwards.

 

[Retroman]

First thing I should note is that I'm scanning these panels out of a 33-year old newsprint comic, one that was alraedy a reprint of the original Galactus story, so there was likely some resolution lost and who knows what else before 33 years and my cheap scanner got to it. That being said...

Great thread Malus. I hope the Alicia-SS scene is in the movie.

 

[Noir]

Well I still preffer pen and ink over inking with the putor, even tho it can be easier at times, you can hang the art up too afterwards.

Yeah, whenever I atempt to ink I still do it with a good ol' bottle of india ink not a computer.. Computers are just good for coloring I believe, but then again sometimes they're good for adding more detail to the image..

 

[Malus]

I just googled Tales from the Bog, looks cool I'll probably get it.. A World without No Cobwebs t:

Sounds like you found an interior page.
This is the upcoming paperback cover. And thus ends my self-promotion.

 

[Noir]

Sounds like you found an interior page.
This is the upcoming paperback cover. And thus ends my self-promotion.

Well, I'll buy it.. Were can I get it?

 

[Malus]

Well, I'll buy it.. Were can I get it?

I'll PM you. The only stash of back issues I know of is in my office.
They can sometimes be found on eBay, though.

 

[Jasmine]

Great thread.

 

[Noir]

...I was just thinking..
Do you guys ever think someone will make a comic with a reference to the Hype..

I say everyone who is in the comic biz on this site should make one contribution to a comic featuring the Hypster guy..


I know, it totally doesn't fit with this Thread but hey.. We all know the source material..

 

[highguard]

^^^ One of the greatest threads indeed, great attention to detail as usual.

Kudos guys.

 

[thegameq]

More to come...

Simply magical.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Sounds like you found an interior page.
This is the upcoming paperback cover. And thus ends my self-promotion.

Ooooh, i love this kind of stuff!

I grew up near the Florida Everglades, and man, there is NOTHING scarier than the swamp after dark!

 

[Noir]

Ooooh, i love this kind of stuff!

I grew up near the Florida Everglades, and man, there is NOTHING scarier than the swamp after dark!

I don't think its a horror book.. I think its more along the lines of Opus and Bloom County XDDD.