Simon Beaufoy writting "Wolverine 2"?

[Deaths Head II]

After Logan escapes, Stryker pretty much moves unto create Weapon XI. It's the whole reason why he captures mutants throughout the film and near the end Logan finds out about it and his goal becomes to stop it. It becomes more important then Logan's revenge, as he ends up working with Sabretooth and both Creed and Stryker end up leaving the compound alive (maybe Sabretooth will take some damage from Logan before that, we'll see).

 

[Peter McCabe]

After Logan escapes, Stryker pretty much moves unto create Weapon XI. It's the whole reason why he captures mutants throughout the film and near the end Logan finds out about it and his goal becomes to stop it. It becomes more important then Logan's revenge, as he ends up working with Sabretooth and both Creed and Stryker end up leaving the compound alive (maybe Sabretooth will take some damage from Logan before that, we'll see).

the fact that Weapon XI becomes a threat doesn't make him the catalyst for the third act.

that's like saying The Kraken from Clash of The Titans is the objectifying element of the film's third act.

Weapon XI is the equivalent to Spider Man 3's Venom in the film.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Venom was the catalyst for the final act of Spider-Man 3 though.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

This story then has the agenda of Deadpool, Gambit, Stryker, Sabretooth, etc...this movie is no different than the previous 3. Wolverine is the star and the supporting cast are muties that feed into the overall plot that involves Wolverine. I get what you are saying but Wolverine acted like this in X1 and X2 but not in X3 because for some reason they thought he should be a leader and team player.

Stryker and Sabretooth, yes, because their agenda is vital to that of Wolverine's.

This movie absolutely is not about the agendas of Gambit and Deadpool. They will be in the film for probably a combined 15 minutes. One scene as Wade Wilson, and another fight scene at the end as Deadpool / Weapon XI.

Gambit will have one scene because Wolverine needs information. Gambit will fight, and not be seen from again.

This is like saying that Scarface is about the agenda of Manny Ribera.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Stryker and Sabretooth, yes, because their agenda is vital to that of Wolverine's.

This movie absolutely is not about the agendas of Gambit and Deadpool. They will be in the film for probably a combined 15 minutes. One scene as Wade Wilson, and another fight scene at the end as Deadpool / Weapon XI.

Gambit will have one scene because Wolverine needs information. Gambit will fight, and not be seen from again.

agreed

This is like saying that Scarface is about the agenda of Manny Ribera.

if anything Deadpool's role is smaller than Manny's, I'm thinking its the size of Angel's.

 

[BMM]

Apparently, Simon Beaufoy (Slumdog millionaire) has been chosen to write X-men Origins: Wolverine 2.

Check it out: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40549

Interesting, although I'm more concerned with the movie at hand than its sequel, which I guess, I shouldn't be surprised, is already in the pipeline?

 

[stardust]

There is no room for logical progressions on Fox's agenda.

Oh, I think it's very logical, they're after the money.

I'm not worried, from what I've seen so far the movie is looking good, and if there is a sequel Jackman is powerful enough to impose his point of view and he cares too much about the character to mess it up.

 

[katie_girl09]

I'm only laughing because its never going to happen and I thought most people realized that already. If there was going to be an X4 they would be planning it by now.

And you know for a fact that its never going to happen because...? Just because it hasn't been mentioned yet, doesn't necessarily mean they aren't going to have one. They're busy promoting Wolverine anyway. We really don't know that yet. What I do know however, is that a lot of people want an X4.

 

[Deaths Head II]

And you know for a fact that its never going to happen because...?

Because of what I just said. They would have announced it by now. Why stop a series to make a 3 prequels? Its already 4 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if X-Men: First Class were to get made into a series as well. If X4 were to get made, it would be many years down the road. What would be the point of waiting that long?

 

[katie_girl09]

I'm still finding it hard to believe that they won't do a fourth. It would kind of be stupid for them not to.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm still finding it hard to believe that they won't do a fourth. It would kind of be stupid for them not to.

Without Xavier, Jean Grey, Cyclops, Rogue, Beast, Angel, Nightcrawler, and likely Wolverine and Storm, along with all of the ongoing story arcs brought to closure, it would actually be stupid for them to continue beyond X-Men: The Last Stand.

 

[katie_girl09]

Without Xavier, Jean Grey, Cyclops, Rogue, Beast, Angel, Nightcrawler, and likely Wolverine and Storm, along with all of the ongoing story arcs brought to closure, it would actually be stupid for them to continue beyond X-Men: The Last Stand.

I don't understand why you feel as though they would have to do it without all of those characters (except for Jean and Cylops for obvious reasons). I don't agree. Especially in Rogue's case. Its pretty obvious that the cure was only temporary.
Yes, gang up on me if you will but I'm not budging in my opinions.

 

[chaseter]

Stryker and Sabretooth, yes, because their agenda is vital to that of Wolverine's.

This movie absolutely is not about the agendas of Gambit and Deadpool. They will be in the film for probably a combined 15 minutes. One scene as Wade Wilson, and another fight scene at the end as Deadpool / Weapon XI.

Gambit will have one scene because Wolverine needs information. Gambit will fight, and not be seen from again.

This is like saying that Scarface is about the agenda of Manny Ribera.

They are integral to the plot so they have agendas as a character. No one said that Gambit is the star of this movie, but to be used in this movie...he will have some sort of connection to the plot and therefore has an agenda. You even mention that Gambit is pivotal to the plot by giving Wolverine information and as a catalyst for the fight in Act 2 so he is therefore important. That is like saying Angel, Beast, Toad, Colossus, etc...have no agenda in the plot of the film because they have limited screen time. All the supporting characters lend to the overall plot of the film and the major character's progression.

 

[Peter McCabe]

I'm still finding it hard to believe that they won't do a fourth. It would kind of be stupid for them not to.

I agree with you to a certain extent, because even though I agree X4 will have an audience - FOX would have to invest too much money into CGI for Apocalypse and the horsemen, along with the rising salaries of the young X-Men that would carry the film.

The film would be really expensive. Sony would do it, FOX would just rather do two for the price of one instead (First Class, Magneto).

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't understand why you feel as though they would have to do it without all of those characters (except for Jean and Cylops for obvious reasons). I don't agree. Especially in Rogue's case. Its pretty obvious that the cure was only temporary.
Yes, gang up on me if you will but I'm not budging in my opinions.

Because making a movie that has the cure as temporary undoes the entirety of X-Men: The Last Stand.

As bad as some people may see the movie as being, another movie coming afterwords that undoes all of it's events is even WORSE storytelling.

I would absolutely HATE going to an X-Men movie where everyone who was cured got their powers back, and the events in X3 were undone.

The X-Men films will really have jumped the sharked at that point.

 

[chaseter]

I would love X4 if X3 were a dream X3 ended too many character arcs and those that ended were pretty much the heavy hitters of the series...I agree with Peter.

 

[chaseter]

Because making a movie that has the cure as temporary undoes the entirety of X-Men: The Last Stand.

As bad as some people may see the movie as being, another movie coming afterwords that undoes all of it's events is even WORSE storytelling.

I would absolutely HATE going to an X-Men movie where everyone who was cured got their powers back, and the events in X3 were undone.

The X-Men films will really have jumped the sharked at that point.

Well the scene of Magneto moving the chess piece and Xavier being reborn kind of undid most of X3 The entire cure plot and Xavier death anyways.

 

[Peter McCabe]

They are integral to the plot so they have agendas as a character. No one said that Gambit is the star of this movie, but to be used in this movie...he will have some sort of connection to the plot and therefore has an agenda. You even mention that Gambit is pivotal to the plot by giving Wolverine information and as a catalyst for the fight in Act 2 so he is therefore important. That is like saying Angel, Beast, Toad, Colossus, etc...have no agenda in the plot of the film because they have limited screen time. All the supporting characters lend to the overall plot of the film and the major character's progression.

They are not integral to the plot. At all.

If you lose Weapon XI - Wolverine STILL wants revenge.

If you lose Gambit - Wolverine STILL wants revenge.

If you lose Creed - what the hell is Wolverine supposed to do now?

you see where I'm going with this?

it has nothing to do with screentime, just importance/relevance in this story.

Look at Kevin Spacey in Seven, he had about 15 minutes but was a character that carried the film without being seen.

 

[chaseter]

They are not integral to the plot. At all.

If you lose Weapon XI - Wolverine STILL wants revenge.

If you lose Gambit - Wolverine STILL wants revenge.

If you lose Creed - what the hell is Wolverine supposed to do now?

you see where I'm going with this?

it has nothing to do with screentime, just importance/relevance in this story.

Look at Kevin Spacey in Seven, he had about 15 minutes but was a character that carried the film without being seen.

If you go by that, then you have just uncovered how Fox does business when it comes to their movie...adding in pointless cameos that do not drive the story at all. No Gambit is not needed in this film but they put him in for a reason, same goes for Weapon XI. All of these subplots feed into the large plot and drives the main character to his final destination in the climax.

No story is just about the protagonist and antagonist..the supporting players add dimension to the story and the plot. How lame would this movie be if it were just Logan and Creed talking and fighting with no other people. What would Romeo and Juliet be without their family? What would Spider-Man be without Aunt May, Harry Osbourne, Mary Jane, etc...

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

They are integral to the plot so they have agendas as a character. No one said that Gambit is the star of this movie, but to be used in this movie...he will have some sort of connection to the plot and therefore has an agenda. You even mention that Gambit is pivotal to the plot by giving Wolverine information and as a catalyst for the fight in Act 2 so he is therefore important. That is like saying Angel, Beast, Toad, Colossus, etc...have no agenda in the plot of the film because they have limited screen time. All the supporting characters lend to the overall plot of the film and the major character's progression.

But EVERY film has supporting characters. Having supporting characters in a film does not make it an ensemble.

It is like the Scarface comparison I made. The movie IS about Scarface. Are there other people who influence the plot? Absolutely, but the movie is BY FAR about Tony Montana and his rise in the Miami drug scene.

Do Gambit, Deadpool, and Cyclops have their place in this film? Sure. But it's all there to advance the main story - Wolverine's story.

It's not like the X-Men films where Cyclops and Jean had their story, and Rogue had her story, and Magneto and Xavier had their story, and Wolverine had his, and they all worked together, while separate of each other.

No, ALL of these characters are there to advance LOGAN'S story. The stories of Cyclops, Gambit, Deadpool, etc... in this film on not their for their own stories, but for Wolverine's.

Gambit isn't in this film to dig into his motives and agendas. He's there to aid Logan in the advancement of his story arc.

Cyclops isn't in the film to further the depth of his character, he's there to add depth to Logan's story and character by being a device used to further enhance Logan's enemy. Deadpool is in the film to be an antagonist to Logan. Same as Creed and Stryker, who are all there to be antagonists to Logan.

This film has ONE protagonist, Logan, unlike the main X-Men trilogy that had Logan as well as Rogue, Cyclops, Storm, Jean Grey, Beast, Nightcrawler, Iceman, and Xavier.

THAT'S the difference. Gambit and Cyclops are not protagonists in this film.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well the scene of Magneto moving the chess piece and Xavier being reborn kind of undid most of X3 The entire cure plot and Xavier death anyways.

Just because 2 scenes done for shock value ALREADY jumped the shark for the X-Men franchise doesn't mean it's okay to jump the shark again and again over the course of a 2 hour film in X4.

 

[chaseter]

None of these movies were ensembles...they were about Wolverine and Magneto, Stryker, or Jean...everyone else fed into that plot by being connected to the antagonist or protagonist. That is why people call X1, X2, X3 Wolverine 1, 2, and 3. He was the star of all 3 of those films.

 

[Peter McCabe]

If you go by that, then you have just uncovered how Fox does business when it comes to their movie...adding in pointless cameos that do not drive the story at all. No Gambit is not needed in this film but they put him in for a reason, same goes for Weapon XI. All of these subplots feed into the large plot and drives the main character to his final destination in the climax.

I agree with the pointless cameos part.

The problem is that FOX thinks its better to use more mutants instead of just regular people

X3 being the best example of this with at least 10 mutant characters that were there just for filler.

*Gambit is total filler in this movie, they coulda just gotten someone else to give Wolverine that intel. Thing is he may have been dropped in the movie for a potential X-Men First Class setup.

Deadpool has more to do but its still mundane at this point for me. I see him as the Juggernaut of this movie, as the Deathstrike of this movie.

One final badass foe for Wolverine to knock down or kill.

 

[chaseter]

Just because 2 scenes done for shock value ALREADY jumped the shark for the X-Men franchise doesn't mean it's okay to jump the shark again and again over the course of a 2 hour film in X4.

Oh I agree...I was just pointing out more flaws of X3 as a movie and as a movie it was bad.

 

[chaseter]

I agree with the pointless cameos part.

The problem is that FOX thinks its better to use more mutants instead of just regular people

X3 being the best example of this with at least 10 minutes that were there just for filler.

*Gambit is total filler in this movie, they coulda just gotten someone else to give Wolverine that intel. Thing is he may have been dropped in the movie for a potential X-Men First Class setup.

Deadpool has more to do but its still mundane at this point for me. I see him as the Juggernaut of this movie, as the Deathstrike of this movie.

One final badass foe for Wolverine to knock down or kill.

I agree with you 100%. But whoever fills that role lends to the overall story no matter what mutant they throw in. Deathstrike showed the lengths at which Stryker went with mutants and that paralleled Wolverine's arc and same goes for Deadpool this movie. A good story utilizes every minor character and nuance...take Watchmen for example. Fox seems to write a good story but doesn't care who fills the roles as long as they look cool or are fan faves.