Sequels Singer Directing The Sequel, Yes Or No?

[Lex Luthor]

That's true. He could make a sequel with more of an emotional edge where they all go on Jerry Springer and discuss their feelings. I can see Lois, Richard, Jason, and Superman all sitting on stage with Springer talking to them. I can even see Singer there too, and a surprise guest with Richard Donner, LOL.

Heh,

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with dpm, and say that a reboot/revamp would probably be the best way to go in a few years time. It's no question that SR has been recieving a very mixed reaction thus far, and you just know WB is very aware of this as well. From WB's POV, greenlighting a sequel, especially in light of the reactions this past week, would probably be even more of a gamble than what WB took on with SR. SR was an alright way to end the donner-verse as a trilogy. Leave it at that, and allow Superman to begin again with a completely fresh start.

 

[GarudA]

That's true. He could make a sequel with more of an emotional edge where they all go on Jerry Springer and discuss their feelings. I can see Lois, Richard, Jason, and Superman all sitting on stage with Springer talking to them. I can even see Singer there too, and a surprise guest with Richard Donner, LOL.

LOL!
You never know, it might happen, to give the movie a more realism.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Heh,

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with dpm, and say that a reboot/revamp would probably be the best way to go in a few years time. It's no question that SR has been recieving a very mixed reaction thus far, and you just know WB is very aware of this as well. From WB's POV, greenlighting a sequel, especially in light of the reactions this past week, would probably be even more of a gamble than what WB took on with SR. SR was an alright way to end the donner-verse as a trilogy. Leave it at that, and allow Superman to begin again with a completely fresh start.

It's only your opinion. IMO SR is a great restart.

 

[GarudA]

It's only your opinion. IMO SR is a great restart.

Restart? It was a re-make.

 

[J.Howlett]

It's not a remake.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Restart? It was a re-make.

Open the window dude, there is a world outside:

http://movies.yahoo.com/mvc/drv?mid=1807839024&s=rc_d

 

[dpm07]

Remake...
Restart...

Bottom line, is that Singer and his piece of trash tools (Harris/Daughtery) made a film that didn't connect with audiences. They tried to connect to another generation, and this current generation has basically told them that they are out of touch.

Throwing Superson into the picture was horrible, and Singer telling everyone that this was a "Chick Flick", and the "funniest movie he's ever done" probably didn't help things either. Neither did adding Kitty Kowalski that served no other purpose other than to add comedy.

 

[GarudA]

Open the window dude, there is a world outside:

http://movies.yahoo.com/mvc/drv?mid=1807839024&s=rc_d

Click got B+ does that make it great? Nearly every movie in the top 10 got a average of B? so whats your point.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

click got B+ does that make it great? Nearly every movie in the top got a average of B? so whats your point.

Hulk took C (LOL)
Batman Begins B+
Fantastic Four B-
X-men B+
X2 B+
Spider-man B+
Daedevil C+

LOL

 

[J.Howlett]

dmp07,

Tell us then what a new Superman film, after 19 years should be like.

 

[Lex Luthor]

Batman Begins got a B, yet Fantastic Four got a B as well?

What the hell?

 

[ervann]

Keep Singer (I can live with him), but the writers MUST go. Bring in a real comics writer and a proven scriptwriter.

The sequel CANNOT afford not to please fans.

 

[kal-el2006]

lmao fantastic four with a B..only in this world..if not mistaken..they made doom a panzy..and the only fight was at the end..smh

 

[GarudA]

Hulk took C (LOL)
Batman Begins B+
Fantastic Four B-
X-men B+
X2 B+
Spider-man B+
Daedevil C+

LOL

You forgot to mention that most of does movies have a average 30000+ ratings, and SR still has 15000.

 

[J.Howlett]

Comic writers and script writers are two different things....

 

[dpm07]

dmp07,

Tell us then what a new Superman film, after 19 years should be like.

I'll tell you what. You hire me to do it, I'll write it. I've got a Masters in management, and a dual bachelors in the Media and Public speaking, not to mention over 35 years of familiarity with superhero lore. If someone hired me, I'd take a shot at it.

One thing is for sure, if I did it, it would have been a Superman who is returning, but would not have had a son, and would have had both parents. It would have been not a remake, but a reimagining. The closest thing I could compare it to would be Battlestar Galactica with regard from the original to the current one. The difference between what I'd do, and what Singers' tools did, is I'd use more resource material than the Donner film. I don't have any blind devotion to that film, and while it's good for its time, it's time has passed.

The return story is a good concept, but the connection to the Donner film hurt the film, and this is being evidenced in the theatre. Singer tried using new visuals on an old trick or old film and modernize it. That was poorly done, and the audience sees it.

The fans deserve better than Singers blind fetish and fixation on the Donner film manifested in a modern film. This was supposed to be Superman's Return, and we get Lex's Land scheme and Superson.

It's a horrible thing to do to the fans.

 

[J.Howlett]

Why reimagine him though? There's no point to reimagine Superman. WB has been trying to do that for 12 years and they couldn't get it right...

Smallville has tried to reimagine Superman. It's just decent.

As far as Jason goes, its a thematic idea that was going to be introduced some day in the Superman lore. Christ, Superman and Lois can't keep doing this little dance they do without actually taking their story forward. Jason does that. It was going to happen one day...

 

[Lex Luthor]

As far as Jason goes, its a thematic idea that was going to be introduced some day in the Superman lore. Christ, Superman and Lois can't keep doing this little dance they do without actually taking their story forward. Jason does that. It was going to happen one day...

Taking the story forward isnt always smiled upon. Example? I remember a part on the "Look up in the sky" documentary where the wedding between Lois and Clark is being discussed, and it was said that there are many people in the offices at DC who would love to do a story where the wedding turns out to be just a dream.

Sure, you can introduce a child in the future. Doesnt necessarily mean that it will be well recieved. Or even stick for that matter.

 

[dpm07]

Why reimagine him though? There's no point to reimagine Superman. WB has been trying to do that for 12 years and they couldn't get it right...

Smallville has tried to reimagine Superman. It's just decent.

As far as Jason goes, its a thematic idea that was going to be introduced some day in the Superman lore. Christ, Superman and Lois can't keep doing this little dance they do without actually taking their story forward. Jason does that. It was going to happen one day...

DCAU seemed to do pretty well. All someone would have to do is take concepts from some of their stories, and you'd have a great film. Unfortunately, Singer is stuck in thinking the Donner source is the only source for Superman. His ego got burned on this one. He didn't seem to look at other sources that were out there. While the Donner film is a source, and one one others that are out there.

Would a reimagining work? Honestly, I think it could. It has to be done right. You have to find the balance as to what the public wants, and complement it with what would make Superman work. This film that Singer did might have worked in the past, but today's audiences were clearly bored and disenchanted with this lackluster effort. Again, Singer has two complete morons that are his yes men in Harris/Daugherty, and it shows. Working a son angle really turned off a lot of people.

At this point, perhaps a relaunch ala Batman Begins is in order.

 

[J.Howlett]

Okay. If you don't want to take the story forward, why tell the story in the first place?

You can't keep doing the same things. You have to take characters forward or there's no reason for anyone to care.

You could do a trilogy of Superman where essentially Lois and Superman do the same thing over and over again with nothing new introduced into the mix. What's the point in that?

I'd rather Singer add something new to the mix instead of doing the same song and dance yet again.

 

[J.Howlett]

dpm07,

And how is Singer suppose to know what the audience wants? That's the biggest generalization ever. You have the fanbase. You have the in betweens. You have the general audience. You have the studio execs. You have yourself to please as an artist.

You have to pick a vision and go with it. If you get a mismatch of different visions or suggestions, you end up with The Last Stand.

As for sticking close to the comics, there's 70 years worth of stories. How can anyone person pick between 70 years worth of material. That's damn near impossible.

 

[dpm07]

Okay. If you don't want to take the story forward, why tell the story in the first place?

You can't keep doing the same things. You have to take characters forward or there's no reason for anyone to care.

You could do a trilogy of Superman where essentially Lois and Superman do the same thing over and over again with nothing new introduced into the mix. What's the point in that?

I'd rather Singer add something new to the mix instead of doing the same song and dance yet again.

You can take the story forward, but when you bring children into the mix in a film, you really change the complexion of things, and not always in a good way.

Judging by your sign, there's no way I'm going to convince you otherwise, so you're just going to have to deal with the fact we have different points of view.

 

[J.Howlett]

dpm07,

I don't mind different points of view. But, no one has yet to come up with a great reason why a child can't be introduced into the Superman lore....

 

[kal-el2006]

hell lois and clark had a child in the final season..dean cain version

 

[Lex Luthor]

Okay. If you don't want to take the story forward, why tell the story in the first place?

You can't keep doing the same things. You have to take characters forward or there's no reason for anyone to care.

Taking a story forward isnt a bad thing, but one of the essentials to Superman has always been the love story between Lois & Clark. This story has endured for what? 60+ years now. And no doubt, it's a love affair that will continue to endure 60+ years FROM now. Adding a child to the mix would definately take the story forward, but then again it may also displease a majority of the fans. I'm not sure if it's worth doing that.

You could do a trilogy of Superman where essentially Lois and Superman do the same thing over and over again with nothing new introduced into the mix. What's the point in that?

There are many stories that can be told between Lois and Clark that doesnt have to involve a superkid. I'm sure of this.

I'd rather Singer add something new to the mix instead of doing the same song and dance yet again.

SR had a similar story structure to S:TM. SR also was very much based in the donner-verse as well. Wasnt really too refreshing to me. Singer took the liberty of adding a Superkid. And although that is something new, it's not necessarily good.