Sequels Singer Directing The Sequel, Yes Or No?

[J.Howlett]

ervann,

Superman is an immigrant. Superman is adopted. He's the adopted son of Earth. I don't even read Superman or any comics and I still understood what metaphor the Superman mythos were working with. It's not the only metaphor but its a pretty big one.

The story of Jason and Superman reflects that aspect of the Superman mythos. Just as he has a connecting to his home planet of Krypton in body and spirit, he now has a connection to his adopted home more than ever now. For a while, it was Smallville and Lois. Now, its both of those things and blood connection to Earth; Jason.

Superman is whole now. Now, we can take his character forward to new territory and see where it goes. It's not that difficult to see where Singer is going, thematically.

Superman still has all the virtues that he's always had and will still have. It's just that now, he has an even greater responsibility to be a beacon of light to Earth.

 

[retconned]

If the box office continues to suck like it has been, and this movie continues to recive mixed reviews by those who either worship it as the second coming or despise it with the wrath of Khan, then the next Superman movie you might see is a made for tv special starring Tom Welling and Michael Rosenbaum.

 

[Lil_Flip246]

I think Singer did a pretty good job in this film. It seemed as If he put more effort on this film than on Xmen.

 

[hame4479]

ervann,

Superman is an immigrant. Superman is adopted. He's the adopted son of Earth. I don't even read Superman or any comics and I still understood what metaphor the Superman mythos were working with. It's not the only metaphor but its a pretty big one.

The story of Jason and Superman reflects that aspect of the Superman mythos. Just as he has a connecting to his home planet of Krypton in body and spirit, he now has a connection to his adopted home more than ever now. For a while, it was Smallville and Lois. Now, its both of those things and blood connection to Earth; Jason.

Superman is whole now. Now, we can take his character forward to new territory and see where it goes. It's not that difficult to see where Singer is going, thematically.

Superman still has all the virtues that he's always had and will still have. It's just that now, he has an even greater responsibility to be a beacon of light to Earth.

**** that i want ratner! Not, that was perfectly stated and i hope bryan gets a second chance. Personally if I could ask one thing of him though it would be that he focuses more on superman alone and leaves the whole lane family on the sidelines.

 

[Matt]

I really just can't see WB making such an investment or any investment in Bryan Singer again.

It doesn't matter how 'good' the movie was...if it doesn't earn, it just doesn't earn...and WB WILL want to blame that on someone.

 

[hame4479]

Heh,

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with dpm, and say that a reboot/revamp would probably be the best way to go in a few years time. It's no question that SR has been recieving a very mixed reaction thus far, and you just know WB is very aware of this as well. From WB's POV, greenlighting a sequel, especially in light of the reactions this past week, would probably be even more of a gamble than what WB took on with SR. SR was an alright way to end the donner-verse as a trilogy. Leave it at that, and allow Superman to begin again with a completely fresh start.

u see that is where u r so wrong. mixed reaction in this forum not for the general public. Iv seen the movie 3 times all with varying audience sizes and every time the audience seemed to love it. The fact of the matter is the movie isnt making alot of money because people arent going to see it not because they saw it and hated it. The reactions u speak of are almost solely contained to this board and what u geeks need to realize is that world does not revolve around the hype. Hell even the talkbackers at aicn arent bashing the movie as much as u guys. U guys obviously just cant see the character depth to singers work. Or more likely u dont want it to be there in the first place. U would rather have superman beating the **** out of something. U ****ers are so mindless sometimes god!

 

[hame4479]

I really just can't see WB making such an investment or any investment in Bryan Singer again.

It doesn't matter how 'good' the movie was...if it doesn't earn, it just doesn't earn.

No offense but this movie in the end will make hundreds of millions of dollars. If that is a failure that what is success. Between domestic which will probably recoup the budget, international take which i have a feeling will be good, and dvd, this movie will make alot of money. No offense the wb doesnt care what the hypesters think. And u had better pray for a sequal because if we dont get one u may never see a superman movie again. Or hell next time one might be made and they may take it the completely opposite route of singer ie the opposite of classic which eqauls hip reinvented bull****.

 

[Matt]

No offense but this movie in the end will make hundreds of millions of dollars. If that is a failure that what is success. Between domestic which will probably recoup the budget, international take which i have a feeling will be good, and dvd, this movie will make alot of money. No offense the wb doesnt care what the hypesters think. And u had better pray for a sequal because if we dont get one u may never see a superman movie again. Or hell next time one might be made and they may take it the completely opposite route of singer ie the opposite of classic which eqauls hip reinvented bull****.

Domestic is on the road to making half of the budget...if that.

The movie needs probably at least, depending who you ask, I'm more or less splitting the difference, 300 million to be profitable. And even then...its not that good of a profit.

WB was expecting something huge. The only huge thing Singer gave them, is a huge dissapointment. If you don't think that it is going to be taken out on him, you are well..."WRONG!"

 

[dpm07]

WB was expecting something huge. The only huge thing Singer gave them, is a huge dissapointment. If you don't think that it is going to be taken out on him, you are well..."WRONG!"

You're absolutely right. It sounds like BILLIONS didn't like the movie, and all we got was a huge piece of "Krrrrrryptonnnnittte" crap courtesy of Singerman and his broken down chump tools Harris and Daugherty.

 

[Matt]

You're absolutely right. It sounds like BILLIONS didn't like the movie, and all we got was a huge piece of "Krrrrrryptonnnnittte" crap courtesy of Singerman and his broken down chump tools Harris and Daugherty.

Is it me, or are the people insisting Superman will have a sequel starting to sound like the people who insisted that DVD sales would lift Serenity to a sequel?

 

[DorkyFresh]

It sounds like BILLIONS didn't like the movie

hardly...it's the same few who keep spreading their opinion of how 'bad' SR was.

 

[retconned]

hardly...it's the same few who keep spreading their opinion of how 'bad' SR was.

Actually DorkyFresh, as time has went on, more and more negative reviews have came out. The reviews and feelings toward this film are a sinking ship, and the box office is proof of that. The only two places that seem to have this films back are SHH and RT. A couple critics liked it, but some critics hated it, one being named Roger Ebert.

And I don't want to hear squat about how B.O. doesn't matter, or how the general public doesn't want to see character driven films. There all excuses. Titanic was a character driven film and look how much loot that made. It's the fact that the film tries to be a character driven film, and fails. And then with no real action or supervillian to back it up, it makes for a bad picture and results in people not going back to see the film, and then telling there friends how boring and heartless the film was.

It's sad, because the general public has been wanting a new Superman movie for years. Look how popular and well known Smallville is, and it has been on the freakin WB for christ sakes. Singer and his goof troop blew it, and thats just really sad.

 

[retconned]

Just so I can get this off my chest, Alfred Gough and Miles Millar know more about and better understand Superman than Dougherty/Harris.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Actually DorkyFresh, as time has went on, more and more negative reviews have came out. The reviews and feelings toward this film are a sinking ship, and the box office is proof of that. The only two places that seem to have this films back are SHH and RT.

and RottenTomatoes.com is a good source when it comes to what critics think of the film. it's the biggest collection of critics' opinions and RT puts them into percentage and according to them, most critics liked the movie. if RT came up with under 60% then you'd be using them to your advantage.

and yes, SHH (where a huge collective of comic book and movie fans hang out) have multiple polls, each asking their own questions (was the movie good, do you approve of Routh, should Singer direct a sequel) and ALL of those polls have a majority that show that they liked SR. as the same with RT, if the SHH polls turned the other way...you'd be using them to your advantage instead of acting as if SHH's opinions don't matter.

i'm not gonna deny that Superman underperformed in the box office, i'd only be fooling myself....but you guys are so quick to use the box office numbers to show that SR stunk, yet you're so dismissive of the numbers from RT and SHH.

 

[Matt]

and RottenTomatoes.com is a good source when it comes to what critics think of the film. it's the biggest collection of critics' opinions and RT puts them into percentage and according to them, most critics liked the movie.

and yes, SHH (where a huge collective of comic book and movie fans hang out) have multiple polls, each asking their own questions (was the movie good, do you approve of Routh, should Singer direct a sequel) and ALL of those polls have a majority that show that they liked SR.

i'm not gonna deny that Superman underperformed in the box office, i'd only be fooling myself....but you guys are so quick to use the box office numbers to show that SR stunk, yet you're so dismissive of the numbers from RT and SHH.

SHH is made of superhero fans, and the polls you cited are in the Superman section. Not exactly an unbiased source of information.

Hell, if you put a rate the movie poll in Misc Film it would probably rate significantly lower (assuming some idiot like Trilligors doesn't stack the poll by posting links to it on every Superman fan site on the web as he did the last Superman poll in misc film.

 

[J.Howlett]

Disappointment box office wise? Sure. Critically? Nope. Do the studios care about critical acclaim rather than box office? Depends on the picture. Will Returns break even? Given all the factors, yep.

It will take time to get there but it will.

You guys can have Raimi's Spider-Man. I'll take Nolan's Batman and Singer's Superman.

 

[DorkyFresh]

SHH is made of superhero fans, and the polls you cited are in the Superman section. Not exactly an unbiased source of information.

so you mean to tell me that the polls for Catwoman, Fantastic Four and Daredevil all showed at least 75% approval? you call people delusional because they can't except that the box office isn't great, but you can't accept that most people from RT and SHH liked the movie.

and don't even act like you know the general public's opinion unless you have a poll to back it up.

 

[DorkyFresh]

You guys can have Raimi's Spider-Man. I'll take Nolan's Batman and Singer's Superman.

good point...even though Raimi brought in the bucks for Spider-Man and even though i love the Spider-Man movies....i don't consider them as well made as Batman Begins was and Batman Begins didn't do nearly as good as Spider-Man. it just shows that better box office doesn't always equal better movie. i said it once and i'll say it again...

...if that were the case then Catwoman is a better comic book film than Ghost World was.

 

[retconned]

I'll take Nolans Batman any day of the week over Spider-Man. That film actually had a story that flowed greatly, and an overall plot that featured great substance, not to mention an excellent actor for almost every character, with that being Katie Holmes, who still wasn't bad.

However, I think Ill take Spider-Man over Superman Returns. Might be cartoony, but the story has much better depth to it as well.

 

[retconned]

and RottenTomatoes.com is a good source when it comes to what critics think of the film. it's the biggest collection of critics' opinions and RT puts them into percentage and according to them, most critics liked the movie. if RT came up with under 60% then you'd be using them to your advantage.

and yes, SHH (where a huge collective of comic book and movie fans hang out) have multiple polls, each asking their own questions (was the movie good, do you approve of Routh, should Singer direct a sequel) and ALL of those polls have a majority that show that they liked SR. as the same with RT, if the SHH polls turned the other way...you'd be using them to your advantage instead of acting as if SHH's opinions don't matter.

i'm not gonna deny that Superman underperformed in the box office, i'd only be fooling myself....but you guys are so quick to use the box office numbers to show that SR stunk, yet you're so dismissive of the numbers from RT and SHH.

This board is often very flawed in it's logic, and regardless if I loved or hated the movie, I would still say that RT holds very little real weight.

 

[Lestat74]

seriously guys, whatever point you may have about the Box Office aside, Superman WAS pretty critically well recievied. 75% is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[J.Howlett]

Spider-Man has no depth at all. Sure, Peter angsting over Mary Jane when a simple explaination could solve all his problems.

Serious, the excuses the writer came up with during that film everytime Peter had to explain himself to someone during that film were just lame.

The action is illogical considering Doc Ock isn't super-human and yet, he took every punch Spider-Man threw at him.

Not to mention the biggest crime in Spider-Man 2...is that it is essentially a remake of Superman II. I won't even mention the first Spider-Man. It's bland at best.

People blast Singer for "remaking or whatever" the first Superman film. Well, at least he ripped from the same franchise character he was dealing with.

And look at the Spider-Man 3 teaser...while probably the most famous Spider-Man story there is (and I'll be there to see it first day), it looks like a slight rip-off of Superman III.

Again, Raimi did very well with Spider-Man 2 but that film could've been a masterpiece had he cut out the damn camp and actually thought about Peter's dilemna.

The first Spider-Man film is a classic case of coming out at the right time...period.

 

[DorkyFresh]

This board is often very flawed in it's logic

and normal, everyday people aren't?

This board is often very flawed in it's logic, and regardless if I loved or hated the movie, I would still say that RT holds very little real weight.

i guess you think all the critics who approved of SR are flawed in their logic also, right? if there's any logic that's flawed...it's the logic that you're only 'right' if you didn't like SR.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno, I'm a comic book fan....and I loved the movie.

I knew, going in, that this wasn't based on the comics. WE ALL KNEW THAT. So, I went in knowing that and not expecting a rendition of the comics.

PLUS.....We all knew this was a sequel......so, why are some people pissed now that they realize it IS a sequel?

And, I really cannot get on Singer's case for following Donner's style. If I were to make a Batman movie, chances are I'd do the same using Chris Nolan's Batman.......his Batman is ****ing PERFECT to me. And, people always continue to say that STM and SMII are the definitive Superman films.....so....this is kinda hypocritcal what I'm seeing on these boards.

 

[Lex Luthor]

Jennifer Conerlly...yummers!

I agree. Jennifer Connelly is definately the definition of yum, but I think she would have been miscast alongside Routh. She would have been damn near perfect if someone older was cast as the man of steel.

I've always imagined Lois as being exotic looking with her dark hair. Kate looked bland.

I like Kate Bosworth, but yeah. You gotta have the long dark hair.

Yum indeed.