Superman Returns Singer mentioned that this would vaguely tie in with Smallville, how so???

[skruloos]

Because every superhero has a secret identity?

The F4 don't really have secret identities.

 

[DOO BEE]

^^^ nor judge dred

 

[DOO BEE]

or the X-men... really.....

 

[Kane]

I don't think Clark's guise should be the bumbling fool that Reeves played in the earlier films. I understand Clark's character has made use of this once and awhile to throw Lois "off-track" but it shouldn't be to the point of the boardline wimp we saw in Superman I & II

Well duh. Routh claimed hes playing the character different than Reeve.. but the differences should still be somewhat drastic compared to superman...the daily planet 'Clark Kent' is a disguise anyways.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

All this riffing and raffing about how one interpretation bastardizes a mythos is bull. At the end of the day its like what Stan Lee and Kevin Smith. Marvel was always looked at as Sci-Fi and DC inspiration of Mythology and with all mythos in order to keep updated it can update the formula and Smallville done a good job of that, they just need to give characters they care about some more relevance and they even are doing an ok job of that.

Similarly Singer will do a great job of updating the mythos with the film too, that's why I dont sweat things like whether Lois gotta a kid or not.

 

[Showtime]

^^I like your attitude.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

That's why I got no problem with what either show is doing too much, whether it's the kid, Clana, The different approaches to the mythos etc etc. This is just another chapter in the character's legacy



REAL superman fans accept both

 

[Scooter]

^ Nice.

 

[Showtime]

That's why I got no problem with what either show is doing too much, whether it's the kid, Clana, The different approaches to the mythos etc etc. This is just another chapter in the character's legacy



REAL superman fans accept both

Seems as if I need to adopt more of you're outlook.

 

[Mr. Credible]

agreed... if none of the writers ever changed anything, we'd be listening to the same stories over, and over, and over, and so on.

a little creativity and updates never hurt anyone.

 

[Showtime]

That's why I got no problem with what either show is doing too much, whether it's the kid, Clana, The different approaches to the mythos etc etc. This is just another chapter in the character's legacy



REAL superman fans accept both

Now I am mad about Pete though.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

I feel bad about Lana all the time .....god I love Kristin Kreuk

*sheds a tear like an emo boy*

 

[LostSon88]

That's why I got no problem with what either show is doing too much, whether it's the kid, Clana, The different approaches to the mythos etc etc. This is just another chapter in the character's legacy

REAL superman fans accept both

Could'nt have said it better.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Clark chosing a life over another will never be Superman. Clark being the responsible of Jonathans dad will never be Superman either. I don`t mind fresh stories or different takes on the characters as long as they respect what makes them the characters they are. Superman would never kill or chose a life over the other. He would choose both. That`s how heroes act. Period.

I really like Smallville most of the time but that episode got everything wrong.

 

[Scooter]

He didn't kill Johnnie on purpose...

 

[SuperDaniel]

He was warned that if he went back in time to save Lana, the universe would find a balance and kill someone in her place. He replies "I have to do this" and grabs the crystal. So, yes, he is the cause of Jonathans death.

 

[Kane]

He basically made stupid mistakes without actually thinking it over intelligently. Now he has to live with the guilt if killing Uncle Ben and become...SPIDERMAN

 

[Scooter]

Superman's made stupid mistakes long before Smallville...

 

[Super_Ludacris]

But do you not see how good that storyline is? It puts Superman in a moral dilema. It puts him a complex situation that effects him emotionally and that builds his character and the person he becomes in the future. Think about he's Superman but he cannot save everyone and they are gonna be times where as a result of saving someone he may hurt another or put himself in a situation he regrets.
I love it when we see flaws in these heroes it makes them more reletable and makes us ask not what Superman would do but what would WE do?
























































I mean personally. Pa Kent is a cool dad, but it's Kreuk all day so see ya pops....j/k

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Superman's made stupid mistakes long before Smallville...

Word up, He should have never stepped in Batman's way in DKR

Can I get a "Classic" all day?

 

[SuperDaniel]

But do you not see how good that storyline is? It puts Superman in a moral dilema. It puts him a complex situation that effects him emotionally and that builds his character and the person he becomes in the future. Think about he's Superman but he cannot save everyone and they are gonna be times where as a result of saving someone he may hurt another or put himself in a situation he regrets.
I love it when we see flaws in these heroes it makes them more reletable and makes us ask not what Superman would do but what would WE do?

The way i see it, you`re describing Spider-man, not Superman.
Superman doesn`t choose a life over other. Period. Not even Spider-man did. He saved both the train and MJ in Spider-man1. Plausible? Probably not but thats how heroes are. And we`re talking about Superman. The king of heroes. So, yes, Reckoning was a terrible episode!

 

[SuperDaniel]

Smallville got the character completely wrong in a episode that was supposed to be the best. In every incarnation of Superman, Kent died of natural circustances. This shows that Superman can`t save everybody and triggers his sense of responsibility in this world. Just like the Tornado moment in Superman for all seasons, wich is a much better rendition of Superman`s early years than Smallville.

Once you make Superman kill, the hero dies.

 

[Kane]

Superman's made stupid mistakes long before Smallville...

Not like this. Though it could be argued that its due to the juvenille nature of him playing 'young Clark Kent' and not Superman.

Honestly though, it just comes down to me respecting the character which is something I cant do in the context of Smallville. Hes done too many things to make me lose respect for him, especially when they write him as a total tool, where as I think with this movie the character will be restored back to icon status.

Honestly, Smallville's biggest issue has nothing to do with casting or acting; its just the writers. They are the one element that makes the show hard to watch for me. Even with Lana, Kristen Kreuk, I have nothing personally against her, they've just handled her character in such a horrible way.. its quite sad.. since they all had such potential in the pilot.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

The way i see it, you`re describing Spider-man, not Superman.
Superman doesn`t choose a life over other. Period. Not even Spider-man did. He saved both the train and MJ in Spider-man1. Plausible? Probably not but thats how heroes are. And we`re talking about Superman. The king of heroes. So, yes, Reckoning was a terrible episode!

These are conventions that can be attached to all heroes. Do you know how many times Superhero stories have borrowed from each other in all forms of medium to reinvigorate mythology ( Spiderman borrowed from Superman when he first appeared in the comics. A lot of people said Spider-man 2 borrowed from Superman 2 when it came to choosing his identity)

And that's no different when looking at all Media and Genres. Spaghetti westerns borrowed heavily from the orginal Leonne movies as well as having an influence in 50's/60's samurai films to breathe life into that flagging genre.

So there's no problem with them recycling from Spiderman or any other TV or Movie adaptation, just in the same way Batman 89 and Superman 78 had ideologies and conventions borrowed from them.

If it works for this character, it works.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Not like this. Though it could be argued that its due to the juvenille nature of him playing 'young Clark Kent' and not Superman.

Honestly though, it just comes down to me respecting the character which is something I cant do in the context of Smallville. Hes done too many things to make me lose respect for him, especially when they write him as a total tool, where as I think with this movie the character will be restored back to icon status.

Honestly, Smallville's biggest issue has nothing to do with casting or acting; its just the writers. They are the one element that makes the show hard to watch for me. Even with Lana, Kristen Kreuk, I have nothing personally against her, they've just handled her character in such a horrible way.. its quite sad.. since they all had such potential in the pilot.

Considering you said that you have just started to read comics and like Superman (as you've said yourself), who are you to respect a FICTIONAL character's fate? Besides he's only 18 earth years in the story he's not a vetran superman, he does these mistakes and goes through this maturation phase like any other person, this are the things he learns from the past in order to make him the man he is. I find ten times more interesting than a generic Superman sotryline. I think one of the reasons growing up in the 90's and 80's we didnt really like Superman was because he's so bland, goody two shoes and all powerful. So when a story like Smallville comes along (or even Superman Returns) we can respect him for his vunerability, his mistakes, his growth, his relationship with Lois, Lana et al, his understanding. No 18 year old is gonna accept his destiny out the blue, they've streched a storyline out over 5 seasons and made the process facsinting.

And as far as people having issues with characters being poorly written like Lana, I understand that TV fanboys of anything are always go after the character who figurativley is the weakest (like before it was Whitney, then Pete, if she went it would have been Lois) but knowing that she played a big part in the storyline AND knowing that in the mythos she's a key figure at this stage in his life (look at the comics, pre-crisis and post and SFAS or Superman 1 and 3) if they know this why dont they suggest better ways to write her?
You know the writers listen to fans generally these days, so instead of just apathy and bitterness why not constructivley suggest things? It's never too late, Welling showed in Season 4 that Clark really came to form as a strong character then so the same can happen. Personally I see nothing wrong, she's involved directly with the mythos (ships, symbols etc) so positve construction goes a long way, bitterness and apathy is dissmissed on point and nothing changes.

And that's real