Sequels Sinister Six in ASM3

[Shikamaru]

oh i was just thinking that so spidey could be more powerful and really want to kill his enimies especially GG if he survives the cut

Spider-Man doesn't kill. It is part of the responsibility angle of the character.

 

[amazingly atiba]

not literally i know spidey doesnt kill but just really ravage them you know?

 

[Venom'sDad]

alright man i just think if they do go with the venom storyline that harry will take the riegns and not brock

I agree

 

[Victarion]

I had a dream about the final film in the TASM series and the Sinister Six. In it, the Sinister Six was a moniker given to six super-powered mobsters that had taken over rackets based in New York city. So they weren't working together, but were considered a collective threat by guys like Silverman, Black Tarantula and whoever you like. That might be a way to go--Sandman, Electro, Mysterio, Vulture, Shocker, Green Goblin/Doctor Octopus as crime lords who use their powers/gadgetry to stay on top of their respective empires.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I’m not sure who the villains will be in TASM3&4, other than to say, I’m pretty confident that the Green Goblin will be in one of those films, if not both. And given, my belief that Sony and/or Webb committed to dates up to TASM4, as well as letting Woodley walk(Thank God) as MJ, signify that TDofGS will extend into TASM4...so I maintain that TS6 won't happen til after TASM4 now; and it won't be led by the Green Goblin. My line-up is as follows, how I hope to see it; if, and it’s a BIG IF, if those in charge decide to continue pass 4 with Garfield.
　
TASM3: Given what we think we know from 2...Vulture the main, possibly Peter discover it was Vulture who took down the plane that Peter’s parents was in. Chameleon in the background, discovering for his employer, the identity of Spiderman, when he become curious why Spidey is so adamant in catching Uncle Ben‘s killer. Which leads to Green Goblin brief debut…the mystery obviously being who is the Green Goblin. Peter & Gwen take their relationship to new heights…no pun intended. MJ is introduced.
　
TASM4: Green Goblin & the Chameleon. Peter’s friendship with Harry starts to fracture as Peter become more & more suspicious of Norman‘s unethical research & business dealings…leading to the GA suspecting Harry as being the Goblin; whom is taking out all who appear to be a threat to Oscorp in some fashion. While Chameleon is not only reckoning hell on Peter character & trustworthiness; but, on Spidey as well, in the public eye. Otto Octavius is the new chief engineer at Oscorp(small role) has a much stronger relationship with Harry, as oppose to Norman. The Symbiote is briefly introduced in the Lab. Gwen is killed 2/3 of the way into film .MJ and the gang tries comforting Peter to no avail. Leading to the revelation that Norman is the Green Goblin; and, the disappearance or demise at the hand of Spiderman, left as an open mystery.
　
TASM5: The Birth of the Sinister Six. With Harry & Peter friendship becoming strain in the previous film, the revelation to Harry, his father was the Goblin; and, possibly killed by Spidey, certainly lead to his father disappearance, breeds a sense of misguided hate & anger towards Spidey. Enter Harry enlistment of Otto to use whatever resources at Oscorp disposal, to seek, bring down, and kill Spiderman. Otto decides to put together & arm special talents to achieve this directive. The “Team” features DocOck, who recruits & arms Shocker, bring in talent Mysterio and equips him with some new innovative technology, breaks Vulture & Rhino out of Ravencroft, whom Rhino recommend Ock attain the services of fame tracker/bounty/assassin, Kraven the Hunter. The “Team” beats and nearly kills Spidey…leaving him for dead.
　
A battered and still distraught Peter, having no clue to who these guys are, remember something about the team, leading him to break into Oscorp, where he discover files that prove Norman & Oscorp involvement in unethical testing on human subject, and a direct link to the death of his parents. While angered & frantically trying to escape Oscorps security, Peter knocks over the vile containing the SRI(Symbiotic Research Initiative), needless to say. Much like the Hulk, the angrier Peter/Spidey gets, the stronger he becomes, the more he loses himself….which enables him to defeat and nearly kills some of the members of the Sinister Six. MJ & Flash notice change in Peter’s attitude and chalk it up to the loss of Gwen.
　
TASM6: After TS6 failed to dispose of Spidey, Harry becomes more enraged at his alleged father’s killer. Meanwhile MJ begin to suspect who Peter is and understand more, his angst with Gwen’s death. Peter realize that the Symbiote is taking him over, making his hunger more vicious, calculating, & deadlier. He struggles, but rid himself of the Symbiote clutches…unbeknownst to Peter, the Symbiote finds its way to a vengeful Harry Osborn. Whom now learns that Peter is Spiderman, the very one, whom he feel, killed his father…which enrages him even more. The conflict begins….
　
Harry discover and take the very same enhancement formula his father took, while being engulf by the Symbiote…making him more deadlier than anything Spidey has ever faced. Harry is Venom to Spidey. Harry stalks Peter like prey, make disturbing comment to Peter when talking to Peter as Harry. Venom makes Peter/Spidey uneasy, suspicious, and paranoid. After their first encounter, Peter start to become fearful of Venom; as Harry become more confident & obsessive. Peter not knowing whoVenom is, recognize the suit, powers, and abilities. Peter, at a time when he has yet to mourn the loss of Gwen, separates himself from friends & family, out of his fear of Venom. Peter has become a loner, distancing himself from everyone. Until a spiritual encounter with Uncle Ben, encourage him to stand up and face his fears, than those famous words are recited, “With great power, comes great responsibility….to yourself, love ones, and to the community.” Harry decides to stop toying with Peter and end this. Harry meets Peter, inform him who he is, and suddenly change into Venom, catching Peter off guard. Venom is getting the best of Spidey, but by chance Spidey turns the tables and discover one glaring weakness(and it’s not sound…Raimi). Peter defeats Venom, nearly killing Harry to do it; yet, able to rid Harry of the Symbiote.
　
Peter finally get a moment to mourn Gwen…he visit Gwen’s grave, give a lovely monologue of the lighter moments of their brief relationship. As the camera pans away from Gwen’s tombstone, the audience is treated with the gang standing near by. They all console him, as MJ is the last to embrace him before the screen fades to black.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Harry could be venom, it would actually work in many ways, but as an alternative they could introduce Brock the same time Peter gets the job at the bugle

 

[JOE]

So many villains up in the air. I feel bad for Peter.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I’m not sure who the villains will be in TASM3&4, other than to say, I’m pretty confident that the Green Goblin will be in one of those films, if not both. And given, my belief that Sony and/or Webb committed to dates up to TASM4, as well as letting Woodley walk(Thank God) as MJ, signify that TDofGS will extend into TASM4...so I maintain that TS6 won't happen til after TASM4 now; and it won't be led by the Green Goblin. My line-up is as follows, how I hope to see it; if, and it’s a BIG IF, if those in charge decide to continue pass 4 with Garfield.
　
TASM3: Given what we think we know from 2...Vulture the main, possibly Peter discover it was Vulture who took down the plane that Peter’s parents was in. Chameleon in the background, discovering for his employer, the identity of Spiderman, when he become curious why Spidey is so adamant in catching Uncle Ben‘s killer. Which leads to Green Goblin brief debut…the mystery obviously being who is the Green Goblin. Peter & Gwen take their relationship to new heights…no pun intended. MJ is introduced.
　
TASM4: Green Goblin & the Chameleon. Peter’s friendship with Harry starts to fracture as Peter become more & more suspicious of Norman‘s unethical research & business dealings…leading to the GA suspecting Harry as being the Goblin; whom is taking out all who appear to be a threat to Oscorp in some fashion. While Chameleon is not only reckoning hell on Peter character & trustworthiness; but, on Spidey as well, in the public eye. Otto Octavius is the new chief engineer at Oscorp(small role) has a much stronger relationship with Harry, as oppose to Norman. The Symbiote is briefly introduced in the Lab. Gwen is killed 2/3 of the way into film .MJ and the gang tries comforting Peter to no avail. Leading to the revelation that Norman is the Green Goblin; and, the disappearance or demise at the hand of Spiderman, left as an open mystery.
　
TASM5: The Birth of the Sinister Six. With Harry & Peter friendship becoming strain in the previous film, the revelation to Harry, his father was the Goblin; and, possibly killed by Spidey, certainly lead to his father disappearance, breeds a sense of misguided hate & anger towards Spidey. Enter Harry enlistment of Otto to use whatever resources at Oscorp disposal, to seek, bring down, and kill Spiderman. Otto decides to put together & arm special talents to achieve this directive. The “Team” features DocOck, who recruits & arms Shocker, bring in talent Mysterio and equips him with some new innovative technology, breaks Vulture & Rhino out of Ravencroft, whom Rhino recommend Ock attain the services of fame tracker/bounty/assassin, Kraven the Hunter. The “Team” beats and nearly kills Spidey…leaving him for dead.
　
A battered and still distraught Peter, having no clue to who these guys are, remember something about the team, leading him to break into Oscorp, where he discover files that prove Norman & Oscorp involvement in unethical testing on human subject, and a direct link to the death of his parents. While angered & frantically trying to escape Oscorps security, Peter knocks over the vile containing the SRI(Symbiotic Research Initiative), needless to say. Much like the Hulk, the angrier Peter/Spidey gets, the stronger he becomes, the more he loses himself….which enables him to defeat and nearly kills some of the members of the Sinister Six. MJ & Flash notice change in Peter’s attitude and chalk it up to the loss of Gwen.
　
TASM6: After TS6 failed to dispose of Spidey, Harry becomes more enraged at his alleged father’s killer. Meanwhile MJ begin to suspect who Peter is and understand more, his angst with Gwen’s death. Peter realize that the Symbiote is taking him over, making his hunger more vicious, calculating, & deadlier. He struggles, but rid himself of the Symbiote clutches…unbeknownst to Peter, the Symbiote finds its way to a vengeful Harry Osborn. Whom now learns that Peter is Spiderman, the very one, whom he feel, killed his father…which enrages him even more. The conflict begins….
　
Harry discover and take the very same enhancement formula his father took, while being engulf by the Symbiote…making him more deadlier than anything Spidey has ever faced. Harry is Venom to Spidey. Harry stalks Peter like prey, make disturbing comment to Peter when talking to Peter as Harry. Venom makes Peter/Spidey uneasy, suspicious, and paranoid. After their first encounter, Peter start to become fearful of Venom; as Harry become more confident & obsessive. Peter not knowing whoVenom is, recognize the suit, powers, and abilities. Peter, at a time when he has yet to mourn the loss of Gwen, separates himself from friends & family, out of his fear of Venom. Peter has become a loner, distancing himself from everyone. Until a spiritual encounter with Uncle Ben, encourage him to stand up and face his fears, than those famous words are recited, “With great power, comes great responsibility….to yourself, love ones, and to the community.” Harry decides to stop toying with Peter and end this. Harry meets Peter, inform him who he is, and suddenly change into Venom, catching Peter off guard. Venom is getting the best of Spidey, but by chance Spidey turns the tables and discover one glaring weakness(and it’s not sound…Raimi). Peter defeats Venom, nearly killing Harry to do it; yet, able to rid Harry of the Symbiote.
　
Peter finally get a moment to mourn Gwen…he visit Gwen’s grave, give a lovely monologue of the lighter moments of their brief relationship. As the camera pans away from Gwen’s tombstone, the audience is treated with the gang standing near by. They all console him, as MJ is the last to embrace him before the screen fades to black.

This is very good. And probably the only hypothesis I've seen (besides my own) that I'd be happy with. Although most often I wholeheartedly believe Eddie Brock should be Venom.

 

[AWT09]

I’m not sure who the villains will be in TASM3&4, other than to say, I’m pretty confident that the Green Goblin will be in one of those films, if not both. And given, my belief that Sony and/or Webb committed to dates up to TASM4, as well as letting Woodley walk(Thank God) as MJ, signify that TDofGS will extend into TASM4...so I maintain that TS6 won't happen til after TASM4 now; and it won't be led by the Green Goblin. My line-up is as follows, how I hope to see it; if, and it’s a BIG IF, if those in charge decide to continue pass 4 with Garfield.
　
TASM3: Given what we think we know from 2...Vulture the main, possibly Peter discover it was Vulture who took down the plane that Peter’s parents was in. Chameleon in the background, discovering for his employer, the identity of Spiderman, when he become curious why Spidey is so adamant in catching Uncle Ben‘s killer. Which leads to Green Goblin brief debut…the mystery obviously being who is the Green Goblin. Peter & Gwen take their relationship to new heights…no pun intended. MJ is introduced.
　
TASM4: Green Goblin & the Chameleon. Peter’s friendship with Harry starts to fracture as Peter become more & more suspicious of Norman‘s unethical research & business dealings…leading to the GA suspecting Harry as being the Goblin; whom is taking out all who appear to be a threat to Oscorp in some fashion. While Chameleon is not only reckoning hell on Peter character & trustworthiness; but, on Spidey as well, in the public eye. Otto Octavius is the new chief engineer at Oscorp(small role) has a much stronger relationship with Harry, as oppose to Norman. The Symbiote is briefly introduced in the Lab. Gwen is killed 2/3 of the way into film .MJ and the gang tries comforting Peter to no avail. Leading to the revelation that Norman is the Green Goblin; and, the disappearance or demise at the hand of Spiderman, left as an open mystery.
　
TASM5: The Birth of the Sinister Six. With Harry & Peter friendship becoming strain in the previous film, the revelation to Harry, his father was the Goblin; and, possibly killed by Spidey, certainly lead to his father disappearance, breeds a sense of misguided hate & anger towards Spidey. Enter Harry enlistment of Otto to use whatever resources at Oscorp disposal, to seek, bring down, and kill Spiderman. Otto decides to put together & arm special talents to achieve this directive. The “Team” features DocOck, who recruits & arms Shocker, bring in talent Mysterio and equips him with some new innovative technology, breaks Vulture & Rhino out of Ravencroft, whom Rhino recommend Ock attain the services of fame tracker/bounty/assassin, Kraven the Hunter. The “Team” beats and nearly kills Spidey…leaving him for dead.
　
A battered and still distraught Peter, having no clue to who these guys are, remember something about the team, leading him to break into Oscorp, where he discover files that prove Norman & Oscorp involvement in unethical testing on human subject, and a direct link to the death of his parents. While angered & frantically trying to escape Oscorps security, Peter knocks over the vile containing the SRI(Symbiotic Research Initiative), needless to say. Much like the Hulk, the angrier Peter/Spidey gets, the stronger he becomes, the more he loses himself….which enables him to defeat and nearly kills some of the members of the Sinister Six. MJ & Flash notice change in Peter’s attitude and chalk it up to the loss of Gwen.
　
TASM6: After TS6 failed to dispose of Spidey, Harry becomes more enraged at his alleged father’s killer. Meanwhile MJ begin to suspect who Peter is and understand more, his angst with Gwen’s death. Peter realize that the Symbiote is taking him over, making his hunger more vicious, calculating, & deadlier. He struggles, but rid himself of the Symbiote clutches…unbeknownst to Peter, the Symbiote finds its way to a vengeful Harry Osborn. Whom now learns that Peter is Spiderman, the very one, whom he feel, killed his father…which enrages him even more. The conflict begins….
　
Harry discover and take the very same enhancement formula his father took, while being engulf by the Symbiote…making him more deadlier than anything Spidey has ever faced. Harry is Venom to Spidey. Harry stalks Peter like prey, make disturbing comment to Peter when talking to Peter as Harry. Venom makes Peter/Spidey uneasy, suspicious, and paranoid. After their first encounter, Peter start to become fearful of Venom; as Harry become more confident & obsessive. Peter not knowing whoVenom is, recognize the suit, powers, and abilities. Peter, at a time when he has yet to mourn the loss of Gwen, separates himself from friends & family, out of his fear of Venom. Peter has become a loner, distancing himself from everyone. Until a spiritual encounter with Uncle Ben, encourage him to stand up and face his fears, than those famous words are recited, “With great power, comes great responsibility….to yourself, love ones, and to the community.” Harry decides to stop toying with Peter and end this. Harry meets Peter, inform him who he is, and suddenly change into Venom, catching Peter off guard. Venom is getting the best of Spidey, but by chance Spidey turns the tables and discover one glaring weakness(and it’s not sound…Raimi). Peter defeats Venom, nearly killing Harry to do it; yet, able to rid Harry of the Symbiote.
　
Peter finally get a moment to mourn Gwen…he visit Gwen’s grave, give a lovely monologue of the lighter moments of their brief relationship. As the camera pans away from Gwen’s tombstone, the audience is treated with the gang standing near by. They all console him, as MJ is the last to embrace him before the screen fades to black.

This is really good, but I just think Gwen's death is a little dragged out. It would be fine to see that in a comic series, but on the screen there is limited time.

 

[Super Jim]

I’m not sure who the villains will be in TASM3&4, other than to say, I’m pretty confident that the Green Goblin will be in one of those films, if not both. And given, my belief that Sony and/or Webb committed to dates up to TASM4, as well as letting Woodley walk(Thank God) as MJ, signify that TDofGS will extend into TASM4...so I maintain that TS6 won't happen til after TASM4 now; and it won't be led by the Green Goblin. My line-up is as follows, how I hope to see it; if, and it’s a BIG IF, if those in charge decide to continue pass 4 with Garfield.
　
TASM3: Given what we think we know from 2...Vulture the main, possibly Peter discover it was Vulture who took down the plane that Peter’s parents was in. Chameleon in the background, discovering for his employer, the identity of Spiderman, when he become curious why Spidey is so adamant in catching Uncle Ben‘s killer. Which leads to Green Goblin brief debut…the mystery obviously being who is the Green Goblin. Peter & Gwen take their relationship to new heights…no pun intended. MJ is introduced.
　
TASM4: Green Goblin & the Chameleon. Peter’s friendship with Harry starts to fracture as Peter become more & more suspicious of Norman‘s unethical research & business dealings…leading to the GA suspecting Harry as being the Goblin; whom is taking out all who appear to be a threat to Oscorp in some fashion. While Chameleon is not only reckoning hell on Peter character & trustworthiness; but, on Spidey as well, in the public eye. Otto Octavius is the new chief engineer at Oscorp(small role) has a much stronger relationship with Harry, as oppose to Norman. The Symbiote is briefly introduced in the Lab. Gwen is killed 2/3 of the way into film .MJ and the gang tries comforting Peter to no avail. Leading to the revelation that Norman is the Green Goblin; and, the disappearance or demise at the hand of Spiderman, left as an open mystery.
　
TASM5: The Birth of the Sinister Six. With Harry & Peter friendship becoming strain in the previous film, the revelation to Harry, his father was the Goblin; and, possibly killed by Spidey, certainly lead to his father disappearance, breeds a sense of misguided hate & anger towards Spidey. Enter Harry enlistment of Otto to use whatever resources at Oscorp disposal, to seek, bring down, and kill Spiderman. Otto decides to put together & arm special talents to achieve this directive. The “Team” features DocOck, who recruits & arms Shocker, bring in talent Mysterio and equips him with some new innovative technology, breaks Vulture & Rhino out of Ravencroft, whom Rhino recommend Ock attain the services of fame tracker/bounty/assassin, Kraven the Hunter. The “Team” beats and nearly kills Spidey…leaving him for dead.
　
A battered and still distraught Peter, having no clue to who these guys are, remember something about the team, leading him to break into Oscorp, where he discover files that prove Norman & Oscorp involvement in unethical testing on human subject, and a direct link to the death of his parents. While angered & frantically trying to escape Oscorps security, Peter knocks over the vile containing the SRI(Symbiotic Research Initiative), needless to say. Much like the Hulk, the angrier Peter/Spidey gets, the stronger he becomes, the more he loses himself….which enables him to defeat and nearly kills some of the members of the Sinister Six. MJ & Flash notice change in Peter’s attitude and chalk it up to the loss of Gwen.
　
TASM6: After TS6 failed to dispose of Spidey, Harry becomes more enraged at his alleged father’s killer. Meanwhile MJ begin to suspect who Peter is and understand more, his angst with Gwen’s death. Peter realize that the Symbiote is taking him over, making his hunger more vicious, calculating, & deadlier. He struggles, but rid himself of the Symbiote clutches…unbeknownst to Peter, the Symbiote finds its way to a vengeful Harry Osborn. Whom now learns that Peter is Spiderman, the very one, whom he feel, killed his father…which enrages him even more. The conflict begins….
　
Harry discover and take the very same enhancement formula his father took, while being engulf by the Symbiote…making him more deadlier than anything Spidey has ever faced. Harry is Venom to Spidey. Harry stalks Peter like prey, make disturbing comment to Peter when talking to Peter as Harry. Venom makes Peter/Spidey uneasy, suspicious, and paranoid. After their first encounter, Peter start to become fearful of Venom; as Harry become more confident & obsessive. Peter not knowing whoVenom is, recognize the suit, powers, and abilities. Peter, at a time when he has yet to mourn the loss of Gwen, separates himself from friends & family, out of his fear of Venom. Peter has become a loner, distancing himself from everyone. Until a spiritual encounter with Uncle Ben, encourage him to stand up and face his fears, than those famous words are recited, “With great power, comes great responsibility….to yourself, love ones, and to the community.” Harry decides to stop toying with Peter and end this. Harry meets Peter, inform him who he is, and suddenly change into Venom, catching Peter off guard. Venom is getting the best of Spidey, but by chance Spidey turns the tables and discover one glaring weakness(and it’s not sound…Raimi). Peter defeats Venom, nearly killing Harry to do it; yet, able to rid Harry of the Symbiote.
　
Peter finally get a moment to mourn Gwen…he visit Gwen’s grave, give a lovely monologue of the lighter moments of their brief relationship. As the camera pans away from Gwen’s tombstone, the audience is treated with the gang standing near by. They all console him, as MJ is the last to embrace him before the screen fades to black.

I don't think you've been paying attention to the evidence that we have...

Here's some counter points to your synopsis:

1. You have Vulture as the main villain in TASM3. Chamelion in the background. And Goblin making a "brief debut".

Here's what you are missing... First all evidence points to Adrien Toomes (a.k.a. The Vulture) being at least introduced in TASM2. It is quite possible that we will only meet Adrien, and the Vulture origin won't be shown until TASM3. If the Vulture origin is shown in TASM2 or more likely TASM3, then this idea that he took down Richard's plane doesn't make sense.

More importantly, we have some pretty good evidence that we will see Norman's transformation into the Goblin in TASM2. There is a set photo of a pod that is likely the transformation pod for Norman/Goblin. There is a before and an after pic, with the after showing the glass busted, likely pointing to him breaking out after being tranformed. In addition, we have seen a set photo of a Goblin Glider and a report that the stunt men have been practicing with it. So we are very likely to see Goblin in tASM2.

#2. You don't have Gwen dying until TASM4.

As of right now they are only planning 4 films. To kill her half way into the final film doesn't make any sense. This wouldn't give enough time for Peter to deal with the loss. It would give enough time to deal with the threat. And it wouldn't give enough time to introduce both Harry and MJ in a way that wouldn't come off rushed.

My specualtion, based on the evidence, which includes the recent announcement of going to 4 films, is that Webb & Co. has taken the same story they planned for 3 films and stretched it into 4. This makes good sense. First it will be financially successful for Sony, but secondly it allows the story to be done in a way that wouldn;t be rushed, and even allows a story with many, many characters to be done well.

By the way, all evidence points to Gwen dying at the end of TASM2, like I've been arguing for months. We have set photos of her in her death shroud (clothes) and filming on a bridge. And now we have an insider report that Gwen will be in TASM3, but only in dreams or flashbacks.

Couple that with the above evidence on the Goblin being in TASM2, and it sure looks like he will be the one doing the deed in TASM2...

#3. You have the Sinister Six being formed in TASM5, but there is no current plan for a 5th movie.

#4. You have elements of the current story, such as the "death" of Richard Parker, not being resolved until #5 or #6. Again, they are only planning 4 movies. This likely means that all of the current stroy elements will be resolved by TASM4. This includes what happened to Peter's parents. what was done to Peter as a kid by his parents, the whole Goblin thing, Gwen dying and Peter dealing with it, etc.

My whole concept of the SInister Six is that Webb & Co. are trying to go big. And what's bigger than the Sinister Six? Yes this would require Goblin to be the leader instead of Doc Ock, but that can work. Could Doc Ock be one of the Six? Sure he could, even a field leader of sorts, but Doc Ock would likely make a better villain for a future flick. But Vulture has to be one of the S6, and he looks like he'll be in the upcoming movies, along with plenty of other options.

Also, you left out the whole Black Cat story arc.

I also hate, hate, hate the idea of Harry being Venom. It needs to be Brock, but done right this time! This could all be the second "trilogy" storyline for movies 5 through 7. Movie 5 would be the Symbiote/Doc Ock/Harry/MJ developing/the Bugle (including Brock). Movie 6 would be Brock as Venom and Black Cat helping Peter beat him. This would all lead to movie 7 where Carnage is the main baddie. Again, the finale movie would be the big one!!!

I know what you wrote was kind of a "wish list" for what you would like to see, but all evidence points to something very different.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

This is really good, but I just think Gwen's death is a little dragged out. It would be fine to see that in a comic series, but on the screen there is limited time.

Actually, yeah I agree with this. Ideally for me she dies in ASM3. ASM2 being too soon. and ASM4 being slightly too drawn out.

 

[FN Spider-man]

I agree TASM3 is the perfect one to do it and 4 to start a new story arc. I also hope to see Black Cat in TASM4.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

GAH. I cant believe all the speculation and we are only one movie in.

I think a sequel will give us a much needed basis for legitimate further speculation.

Right now it's basically just hopes and desires.

 

[JOE]

Anything on the Entertainment Weekly magazine?

 

[Super Jim]

^ Guys, you need to stop all this wishful thinking. Here is a post I made a week or two ago under the Emma Stone thread:

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Have you guys seen this yet?
Hollywoodlife.com has a new story where an "insider" stated the following:

"Emma Stone’s character dies in the next film and that really would take a bunch out of the film if Spider-Man all the sudden starts dating a new girl so close to an important character’s death. They were noticing this occurring as they filmed Shailene’s scenes. They want to make the death of Gwen Stacy really mean something and then it will leave room for Shailene to shine in the third film."

AND:

"There is no jealousy, this is definitely a creative decision and Emma was also told that she would have her character get the proper send off and probably would appear in flashbacks and nightmares in the third film."

Now I know many of you have jumped all over me for speculating that Gwen will die at the end of TASM2. I discussed the death clothes that she was seen wearing and how she was filming on a bridge, but you guys said 'Nope, Green Goblin will not be in TASM2'.

I discussed how there is a set photo that showed the before and after of a transformation pod, likely used in TASM2 for Osborn tranforming into the Goblin and another of a glider which reportedly the stuntmen were practicing with for use in TASM2, and it didn't get too much traction from you guys.

Well now we have this "insider" saying very specifically:

"Appear in flashbacks and nightmares in the third film"!

Ummm... what about now you guys. You going to jump on board with the likely possibility that Gwen will be dying at the end of TASM2?

Can't have flashbacks and nightmares about her dying unless, well, she already died. We have some pretty good proof that the Goblin transformation happens in TASM2 (set photo of the pod) and that he'll be flying around on a glider (set photo of the glider) and that Emma was wearing clothes too similar to what Gwen wears when she dies in the comic and that she filmed on a bridge.

Even with the four films, which does leave a small possibility that they will hold off until the begining or climax of three to kill her, it is still likely that she dies at the end of TASM2.

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I can definitely see why you guys would want her death to happen in TASM3, but it's not likely.

Just imagine this instead...

TASM2:

At the climax of the film Osborn is transformed into the Goblin. The Goblin helps transform Alexi into the Rhino and/or uses Electro. The finale battle is Rhino and Electro versus Spidey, with Goblin watching from a distance. When Gwen uses her intelligence to help Peter defeat the baddies (likely having the police shut down the power, or maybe using a water tower) the Goblin swoops down out of no where, grabs Gwen, and flys up to the bridge. It won't be the whole save a bus full of kids OR Gwen (this was done, poorly, in Spiderman 1), but instead simply either you can try to get me, or save your girlfriend... Gwen is dropped.

Peter will try to save Gwen with his web, accidentally snapping her neck. He swings down with Gwen and lays her on the ground. He starts to realize that something is wrong. Feeling for a pulse and finding none he realizes that Gwen is dead, and he caused it due to this Goblin guy. The movie ends with Goblin getting away and Peter craddling Gwen's lifeless body in his arms, tears streaming down his cheeks (he'd have to be someplace where no one else is so his mask could be removed, like at the base of the bridge), screaming "NO!!!!!!!!!!"... Fade to black.

The after credits scene would be the Rhino and/or Electro (maybe even the Lizard) in Ravencroft prison. All of a sudden there is an explosion and the Goblin flies in. He says to the prisoners something to the effect of...

"I'm forming a little team. You ready for some revenge?"

TASM3:

The movie starts off with the same way #2 ended, with Gwen falling and Peter "saving" her with his web. This time when he swings down with her "lifeless" body, instead her eyes open, look at Peter with love and she says...

"Peter?... Why did you kill me?!?"

Peter awakens from his nightmare.

Everything can just go from there... Maybe Peter decides to work at the Bugle since they are running stories on "who is the Goblin". This would be where he meets Brock, Betty and JJ (hopefully not over the top this time).

MJ would be in this one. Maybe Peter meets her at the funeral, or at least sees her there, which helps start the friendship (nothing more at this point as it would be too soon).

The Vulture would be part of ths story, if it wasn't in TASM2. Haven't figured out yet how they could take a guy working at Ravencroft (that's my assumption based on the set photo) and turn him into the Vulture.

Throw in some Black Cat, with her starting "somewhat as a baddie" and we're off...

TASM4:

This would be all about resolution. Peter's parent's story would come to a close. The S6 would be defeated. Goblin would be the finale, of course. The movie would indeed end with Peter and MJ being in a place where their relationship will likely become something more...
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[Venom'sDad]

I don't think you've been paying attention to the evidence that we have...

Here's some counter points to your synopsis:

1. You have Vulture as the main villain in TASM3. Chamelion in the background. And Goblin making a "brief debut".

Here's what you are missing... First all evidence points to Adrien Toomes (a.k.a. The Vulture) being at least introduced in TASM2. It is quite possible that we will only meet Adrien, and the Vulture origin won't be shown until TASM3. If the Vulture origin is shown in TASM2 or more likely TASM3, then this idea that he took down Richard's plane doesn't make sense.

More importantly, we have some pretty good evidence that we will see Norman's transformation into the Goblin in TASM2. There is a set photo of a pod that is likely the transformation pod for Norman/Goblin. There is a before and an after pic, with the after showing the glass busted, likely pointing to him breaking out after being tranformed. In addition, we have seen a set photo of a Goblin Glider and a report that the stunt men have been practicing with it. So we are very likely to see Goblin in tASM2.

#2. You don't have Gwen dying until TASM4.

As of right now they are only planning 4 films. To kill her half way into the final film doesn't make any sense. This wouldn't give enough time for Peter to deal with the loss. It would give enough time to deal with the threat. And it wouldn't give enough time to introduce both Harry and MJ in a way that wouldn't come off rushed.

My specualtion, based on the evidence, which includes the recent announcement of going to 4 films, is that Webb & Co. has taken the same story they planned for 3 films and stretched it into 4. This makes good sense. First it will be financially successful for Sony, but secondly it allows the story to be done in a way that wouldn;t be rushed, and even allows a story with many, many characters to be done well.

By the way, all evidence points to Gwen dying at the end of TASM2, like I've been arguing for months. We have set photos of her in her death shroud (clothes) and filming on a bridge. And now we have an insider report that Gwen will be in TASM3, but only in dreams or flashbacks.

Couple that with the above evidence on the Goblin being in TASM2, and it sure looks like he will be the one doing the deed in TASM2...

#3. You have the Sinister Six being formed in TASM5, but there is no current plan for a 5th movie.

#4. You have elements of the current story, such as the "death" of Richard Parker, not being resolved until #5 or #6. Again, they are only planning 4 movies. This likely means that all of the current stroy elements will be resolved by TASM4. This includes what happened to Peter's parents. what was done to Peter as a kid by his parents, the whole Goblin thing, Gwen dying and Peter dealing with it, etc.

My whole concept of the SInister Six is that Webb & Co. are trying to go big. And what's bigger than the Sinister Six? Yes this would require Goblin to be the leader instead of Doc Ock, but that can work. Could Doc Ock be one of the Six? Sure he could, even a field leader of sorts, but Doc Ock would likely make a better villain for a future flick. But Vulture has to be one of the S6, and he looks like he'll be in the upcoming movies, along with plenty of other options.

Also, you left out the whole Black Cat story arc.

I also hate, hate, hate the idea of Harry being Venom. It needs to be Brock, but done right this time! This could all be the second "trilogy" storyline for movies 5 through 7. Movie 5 would be the Symbiote/Doc Ock/Harry/MJ developing/the Bugle (including Brock). Movie 6 would be Brock as Venom and Black Cat helping Peter beat him. This would all lead to movie 7 where Carnage is the main baddie. Again, the finale movie would be the big one!!!

I know what you wrote was kind of a "wish list" for what you would like to see, but all evidence points to something very different.

Ok, let me re-state what I said in the beginnings, cause you seem to be missing the point of the speculated synopsis>>>ok, here we go….

I’m not sure who the villains will be in TASM3&4, other than to say, I’m pretty confident that the Green Goblin will be in one of those films, if not both. And given, my belief that Sony and/or Webb committed to dates up to TASM4, as well as letting Woodley walk(Thank God) as MJ, signify that TDofGS will extend into TASM4...so I maintain that TS6 won't happen til after TASM4 now; and it won't be led by the Green Goblin. My line-up is as follows, how I hope to see it; if, and it’s a BIG IF, if those in charge decide to continue pass 4 with Garfield.

Again, “IF” they decide to more than 4 films with Garfield. Which there’s nothing to suggest they would or Webb intention on during TS6.…that “think bigger” statement could mean nearly anything, possibly the Spidey Universe opening up more, not necessarily TS6. With that said…..


I’m not sure what Vulture origin being revealed in this film or the third film, has to do with “when” Peter discover that Vulture brought down the plane….how that somehow makes no sense. Again, set pics of a broken pod and pic of a glider, does not mean Green Goblin is in the film…no more then there was reports that joker cards, war paint, and a piece of purple cloth, was seen on the set of Batman Begins, which we now know was just a lead in into the next film and the make-up & purple cloth never made the final cut.
　
The timing of Gwen Death…the same can be said about your synopsis, that it doesn’t make sense, for her death to occur in this film. Sony/Webb love the dynamics between Garfield & Stone…that onscreen formula works, and they are not going to rush the iconic TDofGS story like Nolan quickly push the demise(in the second film) of a throw-away character like Dawes. The chemistry between Garfield & Stone is the reason they extending the film out to TASM4; and, delaying & re-thinking MJ role providing more on-screen time for Garfield & Stone…which is a winning formula. IMO, you falling for a “Red-Herring” Gwen will not die in this film.
　
Your issue with me having TS6 appearing in the TASM5...LoL, again, refer to the opening statement. The conclusion to the mystery involving Peter’s Parents and Oscorps…again refer to the opening statement. I didn’t involve Black Cat because if she’s in this film…I don’t see her role continuing pass “this film”…so again, refer to the opening statement. Although, in my synopsis, she could have a small & brief continuing role in TASM3; but, I prefer not. So whatever facts you think you have, I have addressed that sentiment, when I said based on what we think we know from TASM2, at the beginning of my TASM3 synopsis.
　
Now I understand people feeling about Harry/Venom…this is part of my re-invention of the character. If Venom, to be like the Green Goblin, and be a huge & important “Arch-Enemy”….than imo, the two have to have some personal connection with each other, which Brock does not have, in any incarnation of him. The closest being TSSM cartoon from a few years ago. An arch-villain has to have a lasting and “Mature” motivation against Spidey, which Venom currently don’t. Finally, an arch-villain has to have staying power & standing outside of Spidey. With Harry family ties to Oscorps position him in a very influential and powerful position that Brock does not have. Where does he go after outside of Spidey? This why he’s baseless character with no real foundation to his being outside of just stalking Spiderman. That may work well for Kraven, because that’s what he is, what he do; but not Venom.

Marvel readily admitted they didn’t know what they had when the created the Symbiote during the Secret Wars Saga; and really just threw what they thought would be a throw away character Brock to fill the void, just to keep the “Black Suit” around, when they/Spidey went back to the Red & Blues. It’s time to give Venom a real foundation and stop this hopping around to different character trying to make a foundationless character viable.

Keep in mind, the opening statement....just how I would like to see it.

 

[Super Jim]

^ Like I said, I get that this was just what you would like to see, but this Sinister Six thread of mine was and is based on all of the little pieces of evidence we have.

Will it all turn out to be 100% correct? Probably not. But the set pics, along with the insider reports, along with the actors and characters, all suggest certain things. Could a lot of this be red herrings? Sure, but likely not all...

My big point about them only doing 4 is that if they are only planning 4 at this time (which seems to be the case) then all of these story arcs, including the Richard and Mary Parker stuff, the Goblin, etc.; will be wrapped up by the end of 4. That is a logical expectation...

As far as the Vulture, when I indicate origin I'm not talking about something that happened in the past, but actually seeing, in the present, the Vulture being created. Will this be through cross species genetics (at Oscorp)? Will it be some military equipment stolen by some Russian thug? This is the place where I'm a bit stuck... Just not so sure that Webb & Co. would want every villain to be some sort of cross species thing...

So if they show Vulture actually being created it would mean he had nothing to do with Richard Parker's death. In fact, it's actually very likely that Richard Parker faked his death and is actually still out there "watching" Peter.

As far as the timing of gwen's death, there are two times that make logical sense. The first would be at the climax of the third movie. This would now (with the recent change to 4 movies) allow plenty of time for Peter to deal with the loss, develop other characters (including MJ) and Peter enact "vengeance" for the death. I put quotes around vengeance because Peter is not about vengeance. He may have initial feelings of a need for this, but by the end this will change. He will want justice though... Big difference.

The second logical time for Gwen's death would be at the end of TASM2. To end the movie in this way would leave the general audience wanting more. This goes along with all the reports and the set photos.

Now, could they have filmed her death for TASM2, and then changed it to put it into TASM3? Sure, quite possible. But I still feel that it makes more sense to kill her at the end of TASM2, with (as the insider reports substantiate) flashbacks and dreams of Gwen in TASM3.

I do agree with you that Harry's character can be done much better this time, but making him Venom would be too similar to the wimpy Brock used in spiderman 3. That was horrible. But, if instead they had Harry take over Oscorp and use a character like Doc Ock as a lead scientist working on experiments that could be used as revenge against Spidey, that could be really good. This is why I would want Doc Ock as the main antagonist in TASM5, with the symbiote being part of it. The black "material" that Peter would find during an early battle would be used for the black suit, which would help him defeat Doc Ock. No, Peter would not yet realize that it is sentient. This would all happen in the next movie, which would get us to the Brock/Venom.

I would just hate to see Harry, another weak character, as venom. We need a brute (Brock) with a desire for vengeance as Venom. And of course Spidey would have to seek out Venom for help in defeating Carnage in the next one...

Also I personally can't see Venom, or Black Cat for that matter, getting their own movie. The GA just wouldn't get it.

 

[Venom'sDad]

^ Good post...I better understand you Vulture argument. Two years from now, they may decide to do a 5th & 6th; but for now, good point.

As for Harry, by no means was my description of Harry as Venom come anywhere close to being a wimp like Raimi version, or any other version done. I also get the feeling that Webb version of Harry, will not be so needy to be accepted; but, more in control, calculating, and confident. That's just me...which, imo, plays well with the re-invention of not only Venom, but Harry as being his own entity/legacy as well.

 

[Super Jim]

I think a greater majority of fans would love to see Mysterio in the Sinister Six, but do you feel that Mysterio's origin would take too long to tell in a story that would have six villains?

For example, The goblin story is one of the base stories of this new amazing franchise, so it's already been started. Rhino is likely to be nothing more than some thug stopped and embarrassed by Spiderman, who ends up interacting with Osborn to become the Rhino (through cross species genetics and/or a suit). Electro's story will be a main one in TASM2. If Feore is indeed Adrien Toomes then his story could be real easy as either someone working for Osborn who invents a flight harness, or a henchman who undergoes cross species genetics. If Doc Ock was used he too could easily fit into the Oscorp story base as an Engineer (Ultimate Doc Ock).

But Mysterio would be much tougher I think. I can't see him being some guy working at Oscorp. To me his story would need to be told in full, and would need to include how he is an illusionist, becomes disemfranchised, wants revenge and/or money, etc. This one would take a lot of time.

With that being said, as much as I would love to see Mysterio in a Sinister Six story, I don't see it happening. I know this would upset many fans, but in some ways I believe this is a good thing. Because I am such a fan of Mysterio, I would want to see his story told well and him be a main antagonist.

- Having the Sinister Six being led by Goblin is easy.
- Having it include Rhino as muscle is easy, just bust him out.
- Possibly Electro as well, will be easy (just break him out of Ravencroft).
- Even the Lizard could be coerced to be part of the Six, likely working behind the scenes until it's time for him to switch sides, help Spidey defeat one of the Six, and then skirt off.
- I still feel the Vulture is critical for a Sinister Six story, but if Feore is indeed Toomes then this will already be set up and won't be too tough to develop.
- Having the Black Cat as "somewhat of a baddie", meaning part of the Six would be easy as she's simply someone hired for a job (stealing something - maybe Peter's blood?). It would add much needed estrogin to the Six and she would, of course, turn on the Six at the end helping Spidey win the day, take out one of Six, which start her story off for future movies.

But again, I just can't see Mysterio fitting as easily as all of these others...

 

[JOE]

I'm too lazy to even read this page, everyone's post are so long and thought out. I'm just going to nod my head and agree with everyone. Good work guys, marvellous ideas.

 

[Oscorp]

I don't want every villain to originate from Oscorp. As Super Jim said, it doesn't really fit Mysterio. I like to see Mysterio be his own man and creation, working for Osborn later on for a great deal of money or something.

 

[FN Spider-man]

I dont see the sinister six happening in 3 but setting up

 

[Super Jim]

I dont see the sinister six happening in 3 but setting up

Right, ever since the announcement of 4 films and not the expected 3, I've been saying that they took the same story they planned for 3 and spread it out to 4, in order to do justice to all the characters.

This allows them to introduce sinister six characters in TASM2 and TASM3, form the team in TASM3 and finish in 4.

 

[FN Spider-man]

I don't know I always seen them to be for 4.5 and then 6 because they are mssing others that's just my opinion and I think that three should centered on GG and finishing the parents saga and the fall of Oscorp not sure really im just focused on th sequel right now but I do want to see Felicia in the future and I hope that Felicity is playing her in 2 for at least setup or what not which absolutely fine but im very happy to know of the introduction of Ravencroft.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I'm too lazy to even read this page, everyone's post are so long and thought out. I'm just going to nod my head and agree with everyone. Good work guys, marvellous ideas.

Thanks

I don't want every villain to originate from Oscorp. As Super Jim said, it doesn't really fit Mysterio. I like to see Mysterio be his own man and creation, working for Osborn later on for a great deal of money or something.

If you read my Sinister Six idea, you would find that Mysterio does not have direct ties to Oscorps, but hint at ties with Otto.

I think a greater majority of fans would love to see Mysterio in the Sinister Six, but do you feel that Mysterio's origin would take too long to tell in a story that would have six villains?

I really honestly don’t quite understand why so many feel that every villain has to have some extensive background origin story, that must be told for character development. That would be great, if it was to happen; but, in my honest opinion, for some characters, it’s just not “absolute”. There are many of ways backgrounds can be establish, without going through the “traditional” way….even if many of you can't fathom, how it can be done.
　
Whatever villain inserted in place of Mysterio, can be said, “We need a origin story for such-&-such”; although, I suspect the degree of one's “fear rating” will beg to differ. I see no need to bog down a story, continuity, and flow/pace of a story for the sake of ensuring, that the GA understand how every villain became who they are, or got their powers. Either leave it to the imagination, and desiring more of the character; or use the many techniques and/or ways to briefly cover how one became….
　
Vulture, imo, fits well in my version of TS6, with minimal background. I could easily expand on the character in my description; but, I was just trying to give a quick synopsis of each film….which, of course, lead to you feeling that Vulture role with Peter’s parent could possibly, not make sense. Well yes if you are going the cross-species route, which I do not; but, I certainly understand what you where trying to say. However, you fail to realize that, there are many other ways(which is the point I’m trying to make with Mysterio) to tell Vulture origin and relations to Oscorps and/or Peter’s parents….which for me, does not involved Toomes being part of an experiment; yet however, a mechanic engineer for the company. Not every villain with animalistic alter egos has to be some type of cross-genetic experiment.