So, has X-Men earned the right to join "The cool trilogy club"?

[Golgo-13]

No.

This is the X-Men trilogy in a nutshell.

X-Men is like Star Wars.

X2 is The Empire Strikes BAck.

X3 is like we were expecting ROTJ (or even ROTK!) and got....Episode I with the Ewoks and Hayden Christensan thrown in.

Hardly a "cool" trilogy then.

Dude, you should be a poet!

 

[halfapple]

voted : No.

X3 = Rush hour rip off.

wasn't even worth getting the popcorn over nor even a bottle of water.

 

[black_dust]

"Cool" hell no.

Indy is cool, back to the future is cool. This is not...

 

[Kmack]

The franchise was on its way to "cool trilogy" but went down hill with X3...I just want to forget about it

 

[Dr. MIX]

No, X3 felt very much like a darker version of the F4 unfortunetely.

 

[Carter]

X3 wasn't that bad.
I liked it better than X2

 

[kainedamo]

X-men 3 has way too many flaws.

When even one of the main writers, Zak Penn, admits that there were decisions the studio made that were wrong, that he wished things were different, you know something went badly wrong.

 

[DACrowe]

X3 is closer to T3 than BTF3, Indy 3, ROTJ, ROTK and all those other fullfilling trilogies.

Oh well.

 

[Kroc1138]

Sure there has, since X3 is the first decent one of the trilogy.

It'd be tough for there to be a decrease in quality for X3, since Singer's hackneyed films had little to none(leaning toward the latter)to boot.

I hope you're kidding.

 

[Warhammer]

X-Men trilogy definitely makes "The Cool Trilogy Club".

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I hope you're kidding.

No, he's not. He has ADD and doesn't enjoy a good story, so he'd rather see a bunch of eye candy and no plot whatsoever.

Pay him no mind, he's the true definition of slowness when it comes to paying attention and using their brain.

X3 doesn't make the cool trilogy club at all. X-Men had the potential to be the greatest trilogies of all trilogies, then Rothman and Fox decided to ruin its potential and shat all over the greatest story in X-Men history.

The fact that he can say its decent and better than Singers X-Men films show he doesn't appreciate film, emotion, or great storytelling.

 

[Kroc1138]

No, he's not. He has ADD and doesn't enjoy a good story, so he'd rather see a bunch of eye candy and no plot whatsoever.

Pay him no mind, he's the true definition of slowness when it comes to paying attention and using their brain.

X3 doesn't make the cool trilogy club at all. X-Men had the potential to be the greatest trilogies of all trilogies, then Rothman and Fox decided to ruin its potential and shat all over the greatest story in X-Men history.

The fact that he can say its decent and better than Singers X-Men films show he doesn't appreciate film, emotion, or great storytelling.

I figured.
However, I don't really think X-Men should have been a Trilogy to begin with. It's too grand of a story to smush into three films. I'd say six or seven films at least.

 

[Kroc1138]

As I said above you must view X3 as the final act of a 5 hour story .... which it is.

A really anti-Climactic final act. Filled with exicting but utterly pointless action. Overall, and amateurishly written story.

The characters and drama were built up in the first two ... You can't keep throwing words and plot at viewers ... many just wanted a fun, full-on conclusion to a quality trilogy ... and thats what we got.

I'm sorry, but that makes no sense whatsoever. When you are writing a series, the main thing need to make it work is CONSISTENCY in all aspects of the story. X3 had little to no consistency with the other films except for some superficial nods to the previous films. I'm sorry but a superficial anti-Climactic action movie had no place in this series after the precidence set in X1 and even more so in X2.

As for Return of the Jedi ..... take away the Luke/Vader/Palpatine moments and whats left?

Not much.

Now that is absurd. You have conclusion of one of the most important subplots of the series. It was closed in reasonable way at that too. That in of itself is more than enough if you take out the character moments.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I figured.
However, I don't really think X-Men should have been a Trilogy to begin with. It's too grand of a story to smush into three films. I'd say six or seven films at least.

I guess to some extent I agree. But 6 or 7 films? Wouldn't people have gotten tired of them after the 4th one?

 

[Kroc1138]

I guess to some extent I agree. But 6 or 7 films? Wouldn't people have gotten tired of them after the 4th one?

That depends. If the Writing is still good and consistent then there should be no problem. The issue is getting actors to commit to a series.

 

[Kroc1138]

Decrease in quality ....... Godfather 2 is the stuff of legend! ... Godfather 3 is a pale shadow.

It had it's flaws yes. But on the whole it was a consistent continuation of the story and characters. It had it's misteps, but certainly not the Huge Gaping flaws X3 had.

Empire strikes back is one of the best movies ever made, almost flawless ... Return of the Jedi is average at best with a few decent moments.

The same Here. Granted I don't have a favorite Star Warss Film since I think they all serve their puposes to tell the story consistently.

X3 for all its faults was still an entertaining, full-on blast and closed the trilogy well ... it is not as good as X2 but the drop in quality is not massive, unlike the examples above.

To start X3 was:
A bad way to end the series. (X-men doesn't work as a Trilogy)
Anti-Climactic
Overcrowded.

My Review:

Well Here's My X3 Review: I saw it opening day with mixed but high expcetations. I loved the first two with the second being my favorite. Thus I was hoping to see a great followup.

In General: I was VERY disappointed. Granted the movie had some merits, it was just overshadowed by all the Flaws this movie had. Basically:
-The movie was too character heavy
-Low on character development
-The two major Plotlines (Mutant "Cure" and Phoenix) were badly written and Developed.
-Overall the movie was VERY anti-Climactic. If this movie was truly a conclusion (it's unknown) then it ended with a Whimper and not with a Bang. (The Two Subplots are also poor topics to end the series on)

Here's a more descriptive breakdown:
Characters/Actors (development/Performance)-Both Wolverine and Storm have most Screentime and some Good Development. (albeit uneven)This would be one of the High Points of the Movie Characterwise. Both Halle and Hugh Play well off each other and Alone. There's enough that you can be satisfied, but there could have and should have been more. Xavier and Magneto Start off with some good characterizaton, but it starts to fall apart as the film progresses. Xavier for some reason is being characterized as a self righteous ******* in dealing with Jean. (I'm mixed on whether or not he was right) Magneto eventually came across too much like a Villain when he is more of a Grey area Character who does evil from time to time to get he view across. Maybe I'm naive on How Magneto is but I really found it odd for him to be some who would abandon his close Allies (Mystique) b/c they lost their powers or to use allies as Cannon Fodder. (which is another Gripe I have in General about some movies) Although I do think that Magneto trying to come to the aid of Xavier as Phoenix was doing her work.
Beast was well performed and had some good moments. (Iliked the exchange Between him and Logan) Overall, little was done with him and he was poorly developed. Bobby(Iceman) and John (Pyro) had some ok screentime but again little was done with either of them. (especially Pyro) Iceman did have some scenes with Kitty that were just contrived, mainly b/c she was pulled out of cameo appearances to being a "full-fledged" character. Putting a Character who nver had any development and placing her in the movie with what she was give seemed too forced and pointless. But Shadowcat was a cutie. I was pissed off on how they handled Rogue.
The Others: For the most part just cannon fodder or just cosmetic characters. The Angel was in the movie for no reason beyond that.

Then we Have Cyclops-Like Xavier He started out with some promising development and then is summarily dismissed.(Killed) It angered me at the laziness of the writing crew.

The Plots: Generally, I just found the movie antiClimactic, mostly due to the general feeling like ths was a conclusion. (X-men to me can't be a trilogy) The "Cure" Subplot was used to Try to bring things to a Close which I was one of the main reason I found the movie Anti-Climactic. To me, I thought that both the "Cure" and the Phoenix saga (I will discuss) should have been used to show not the end but the beginning of a bigger Subplot in the future series. (Apocalypse?) As for the Phoenix, For starters I wish that they showcased more of her Abilites. Second, I wish that She wasn't used as a plot device and was an actual character with some depth how her darkside works, the balance of her good side/bad side and Her Motivation. Third, Phoenix Saga if to be attempted should have been Grand/Epic etc. If possible I think the Shi'ar could have been used.

Character Deaths/departures- For the most part I hate Character Deaths/ Removal b/c for the most part I find to be: (A) Lazy of the writer to do so. (B) Strictly used for Shock Value. That's not saying that it doesn't work ever, just not so in X3. I hated that Cyclops Died and I was dissapointed that Xavier had to go, but his death did give that Melancholy feeling. Then there is Rogue, It seems like with Both Cyclops an d Rogue they just wrote them off b/c they were too lazy. (or were strapped for screenspace which is understandable) But I think they shot thenselves in the fot with this one b/c too many characters were put in there to begin with.

End credits scene-This scene Along with Magneto's scene at the end saved the movie for me. But it was too little too late. The scenes might have been more effective if the movie was better developed.

In conclusion: The X-Men franchise stared out well enough with X-Men. It had good characters and development. However, I didn't think that the first was grand enough. That's not saying that it should have been a copy and paste of the comics, but it should have pushed for something more storywise. X2, fixed many of the problems of X1 by being bigger that it's predecessor. It also had more character development that complemented and supplemented X1. It got very ambitious by closing off with the start of the Phoeinx Saga. X3 was a Good action movie but it failed at being anything more.

To me none of the movies you list had those Problems. They had flaws and some missteps that people blow out of proportion.

 

[thedeadite]

i'm not going to go in to detail as to why, because really it doesn't matter since no one is going to sway another to change their opinion on the film... i'll just say, i enjoyed X3 alot more than i thought i would. Everyone told me how horrid it was, how much i'd hate it (having read x-men comics off and on for about 20 years) .. guess they were wrong...cause i enjoyed it on the same level if not more than the others (the more is most likely because it's the newest...)..

in short:
yes..it joins the cool trilogy club...imo (and that's the only opinion that really counts now isn't it)

 

[thealiasman2000]

I think the problem with movie series nowadays is that too people are like Kroc1138.

Six or seven movies!? That's in sane. Who the hell would have the patience to stand SEVEN movies about the damn X-Men?


All good series end with a fourth movie. After that, it's just overkill.

And I don't care if the comics spanned five decades, that doesn't mean that the movie series should be endless. If you adapt a book saga with 40 books in it to the big screen, you make 40 movies? That's just stupid.


I don't care how bad "The Last Stand" was, it's best to quit while they are ahead.

And how the hell can you cram Apocalypse and the Shi'ar into the convoluted plot of "The Last Stand"?

For that matter, how the hell do you have the budget to portray them?

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I think the problem with movie series nowadays is that too people are like Kroc1138.

Six or seven movies!? That's in sane. Who the hell would have the patience to stand SEVEN movies about the damn X-Men?


All good series end with a fourth movie. After that, it's just overkill.

And I don't care if the comics spanned five decades, that doesn't mean that the movie series should be endless. If you adapt a book saga with 40 books in it to the big screen, you make 40 movies? That's just stupid.


I don't care how bad "The Last Stand" was, it's best to quit while they are ahead.

And how the hell can you cram Apocalypse and the Shi'ar into the convoluted plot of "The Last Stand"?

For that matter, how the hell do you have the budget to portray them?

If LOTR can be done(which was considered an impossible book to turn into a movie) then Apocalypse and the Shi'ar is very much possible.

 

[Rac]

No, 'cause X3 wasn't cool.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

No because X1 and 2 weren't all that great.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Kroc, I pretty much agree with your review there, except I DO think the X-Men movies as they were could've been done in three films.

I also don't think the Shi'ar would've helped the Dark Phoenix story in X3 at all. I like the way they did it in the film in the sense that the explanation for what the Phoenix was was more grounded and down-to-earth, which kept in line with the tone of the first two films. That doesn't mean it couldn't have been epic though - it's criminal that they reduced Phoenix to a plot device.

 

[Octoberist]

honest to God, I would have to say the X-Men as a franchise is hard to do b/c you're dealing with a group of characters, not a single main character. And with so many members of the team, where do you go? I thought Singer did his best...however, I can't so the same for Ratner.

 

[Darthphere]

WARNING! WARNING! THIS THREAD IS IN VIOLATION!

Yes, this is totally banworthy.

 

[mikeyh89]

I said yes because I loved all 3, I would go into more details for why I voted yes, but I wouldn't want to get slammed for having my own OPINION.