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...and I actually really liked it.

With all the complaints that have been given about Kevin Smith's three year delay in finishing the series, the quality of the whole thing seems to get drowned out.

I was really struck by just how wonderful a spotlight it was for Black Cat. As the title suggests, this is Spider-Man AND the Black Cat. And it's all done very well. The characterization and banter between the characters is excellent. It plainly reminded me why I've quickly become a bit of a fan of Black Cat, and what a solid supporting character she can be to Spider-Man.

Now that's the first half of the book. The second half - while still focusing very much on Black Cat - takes a very different angle. Namely rape and sexual abuse. This is dark stuff. This is disturbing stuff. The kind of subject matter that is almost always uncomfortable to read. At the same time, it's a subject matter that should be read. People should understand what it's like to be raped. Both as an act of prevention against committing it, and as a compassion for the people who have suffered it. Smith details that perfectly. He shows exactly what it does to people. Shows just how truly horrible it is. And that, while uncomfortable, is ultimately powerful. Very powerful.

With that said, I would be remiss to mention the art. It's fantastic. I've always been a fan of the Dodson's, and this - next to their current Wonder Woman run - may be the best art they've ever turned out. While I generally consider their style to be a rather light one, it actually ends up fitting the darkness of the story very well, making the whole book all the more captivating to read.

While it may very well be too uncomfortable for me to read again, I must say, the book certainly left a great impact on me, and I'm certainly glad I spent my $15 bucks, and 2 hours to read it.
 
i really enjoyed it aswell, since i read it in TPB form the 3 year wait thing didnt bother me
 
I thought the first few issues pre-three year hiatus were top notch Spidey, but I think that after the fact, the story seemed to had taken a completely different turn. It wasn't horrible by any means, but I dunno...it just kind of seemed out of place with the rest of the story.
 
CConn said:
...and I actually really liked it.

With all the complaints that have been given about Kevin Smith's three year delay in finishing the series, the quality of the whole thing seems to get drowned out.

I was really struck by just how wonderful a spotlight it was for Black Cat. As the title suggests, this is Spider-Man AND the Black Cat. And it's all done very well. The characterization and banter between the characters is excellent. It plainly reminded me why I've quickly become a bit of a fan of Black Cat, and what a solid supporting character she can be to Spider-Man.

Now that's the first half of the book. The second half - while still focusing very much on Black Cat - takes a very different angle. Namely rape and sexual abuse. This is dark stuff. This is disturbing stuff. The kind of subject matter that is almost always uncomfortable to read. At the same time, it's a subject matter that should be read. People should understand what it's like to be raped. Both as an act of prevention against committing it, and as a compassion for the people who have suffered it. Smith details that perfectly. He shows exactly what it does to people. Shows just how truly horrible it is. And that, while uncomfortable, is ultimately powerful. Very powerful.

With that said, I would be remiss to mention the art. It's fantastic. I've always been a fan of the Dodson's, and this - next to their current Wonder Woman run - may be the best art they've ever turned out. While I generally consider their style to be a rather light one, it actually ends up fitting the darkness of the story very well, making the whole book all the more captivating to read.

While it may very well be too uncomfortable for me to read again, I must say, the book certainly left a great impact on me, and I'm certainly glad I spent my $15 bucks, and 2 hours to read it.


I think it's cheesy. Yeah, you heard me right. It's cheesy and requires no imagination at all.

A female superhero - what do we do with her to make her seem more sensitive and real? Have her get raped!!

I mean, how many female superheroes have been raped?? It's ridiculous.
 
I mean...honestly...have you SEEN a lot of these female superheroes, man?

I'm half tempted to rape them. :oldrazz:
 
How many have been raped?

I understand the three year hiatus was Smith wanted to have her get raped there and Marvel said no. So he made a movie and just blew it off and Marvel is like "YOU HAVE TO FINISH IT," so 3 years later he managed to tell the story he wanted with flashbacks.

I still haven't picked up the last issue (I got the first four) should I bother? I liked the first 3 but I dunno....

The art, while juvenile in itts depiction of women, is very good (as was their work on the Mark Millar Spider-Man run). And this was really the return of making Black Cat a good supporting character with a large role again (she seems to be the last one they haven't fooked up like Flash, Betty, Liz, etc.).

Really though I do appreciate how this story opened the way to use BC well again as seen in Millar's run and now on Sensational Spider-Man too.
 
DACrowe said:
How many have been raped?

Barbara Gordon. Was Wonder Woman raped? I think she was raped. There is more, but I can't think :(

Anyway, it's cliche and cheesy. I'd even say it lowers women in general to keep having superheroines get raped. The only time women can show strength is after having been raped??
 
kainedamo said:
Barbara Gordon.

Who raped Barbara Gordon??

Don't say the Joker, because there's no proof of it.
 
Doc Ock said:
Who raped Barbara Gordon??

Don't say the Joker, because there's no proof of it.

She was either raped or it was heavily implied. Heavily implied is enough for me.
 
kainedamo said:
She was either raped or it was heavily implied. Heavily implied is enough for me.

How was it implied?? Because he took naked pics of her?? He only did that to drive her father crazy by showing him them.

She's never mentioned anything about rape. The doctor never mentioned it. Gordon has never mentioned it. Or Batman. Or Joker.

Nobody at all. Besides, the Joker is not into sexual crimes.
 
Doc Ock said:
How was it implied?? Because he took naked pics of her?? He only did that to drive her father crazy by showing him them.

She's never mentioned anything about rape. The doctor never mentioned it. Gordon has never mentioned it. Or Batman. Or Joker.

Nobody at all. Besides, the Joker is not into sexual crimes.

Meh.
 
Exactly.

He didn't rape her. That isn't the Joker's style. While rape is an evil pointless disgusting act, the Joker doesn't want it to seem to have any justification. He shot her and took naked pictures of her and her suffering in misery to torture her father into going nuts. If he had raped her Bruce or at least Dick Grayson would've killed him shortly after (more likely Grayson).

And I don't read Wonder Woman but I never knew she was raped. As far as I know it was BC and it happened before she was the BC at that.
 
The Joker raping Babs is a product of an overactive imagination. You might as well say he raped Commissioner Gordon. After all, he was naked too. :whatever:

I don't recall Wonder Woman being raped either. I know Hercules and his men enslaved and raped the Amazons, including Hippolyta, but that was before Diana was born. If it happened, I don't know anything about it.

As far as the Black Cat story, I thought the subject was handled very well. Although, I do feel that pop culture's use of rape as a vehicle to communicate female character growth/perseverance or just personal trauma is a bit overdone. It seems like a crutch and doesn't really carry the same weight with me that it should. That aside, TETMD is certainly worth the read.
 
Kate from Young Avengers got raped. I believe Jessica Jones got molested by Purple Man when she was under his control
 
I know Kate was attacked in the park, but I don't recall rape being mentioned (though it was what I assumed). Did they ever specify what happened to her? I haven't kept up with YA for a while.

Purple Man made Jessica watch him rape other women and forced her to beg him for sex, only to turn her down, as mental torture/abuse, but I don't think he ever touched her.
 
Mister J said:
I know Kate was attacked in the park, but I don't recall rape being mentioned (though it was what I assumed). Did they ever specify what happened to her? I haven't kept up with YA for a while.

Purple Man made Jessica watch him rape other women and forced her to beg him for sex, only to turn her down, as mental torture/abuse, but I don't think he ever touched her.

See, I think that carries more dramatic weight than just having her raped.
 
Mister J said:
The Joker raping Babs is a product of an overactive imagination. You might as well say he raped Commissioner Gordon. After all, he was naked too. :whatever:

Oh man. So, now in continuity The Joker goes BOTH WAYS?!?! :wow:

Then Tim Drake was lucky in the latest Detective Comics because Joker was probably going to rape him too! BLASPHEMY!!!
 
i really liked the story. i thought it was handled well and is a subject matter that needs to be discussed. you don't see rape being handled a lot in the books (though that guy in Identity Crisis did rape that girl and got his mind wiped for it) -- but this was different. it wasn't just a plot point. we delved into the psychosis and lasting effects of the act. i hope to see more Black Cat in the future. she's one of Spidey's strongest supporting characters right now.
 
kainedamo said:
I think it's cheesy. Yeah, you heard me right. It's cheesy and requires no imagination at all.

A female superhero - what do we do with her to make her seem more sensitive and real? Have her get raped!!

I mean, how many female superheroes have been raped?? It's ridiculous.
I hate to break it to you, but as unfortunate, and upsetting, as it is, a large portion of women in real life have been raped. It's not at all surprising there would be an equally high number in comics.

But then, you couldn't even name a single one. Hell, the only rape I could think of in comics (besides this one) was when Nightwing got it from Tarantula. :o
 
There was a rape scene in Watchmen as well.

And, if you want to get technical, there was rape in Garth Ennis' The Boys.

And, also, his Punisher MAX series.
 
Mister J said:
The Joker raping Babs is a product of an overactive imagination. You might as well say he raped Commissioner Gordon. After all, he was naked too. :whatever:

I don't recall Wonder Woman being raped either. I know Hercules and his men enslaved and raped the Amazons, including Hippolyta, but that was before Diana was born. If it happened, I don't know anything about it.

As far as the Black Cat story, I thought the subject was handled very well. Although, I do feel that pop culture's use of rape as a vehicle to communicate female character growth/perseverance or just personal trauma is a bit overdone. It seems like a crutch and doesn't really carry the same weight with me that it should. That aside, TETMD is certainly worth the read.

I'm pretty sure thats why Marvel decided to go along with that piece of crap sin's past in which we're led to believe Gwen consented to getting f---ed by Osborn.
 
CConn said:
I hate to break it to you, but as unfortunate, and upsetting, as it is, a large portion of women in real life have been raped. It's not at all surprising there would be an equally high number in comics.

But then, you couldn't even name a single one. Hell, the only rape I could think of in comics (besides this one) was when Nightwing got it from Tarantula. :o

Well, wasn't there the whole crazy rape thing from that Identity Crisis from DC?

And it is a tacky thing focusing on the rape of female characters in comcis when they're overly sexualized to begin with. I mean in MKSM, Terry Dodson drew Black Cat with **** bigger than her head at times.

The first half of Evil That Men Do was completely different from the second, with the first being abut an investigation into a terrible series of killings and then suddenly it becomes about sexual abuse. There's no real connection. and Balck Cat has NEVER been written well IMO. She was an irritating nutjob back in the 80's, a sexy too a point of compensating character in ETMD and she was, well, I don't know what she was in MKSM aside from being there to balance out Spidey's wussiness.
 
CConn said:
I hate to break it to you, but as unfortunate, and upsetting, as it is, a large portion of women in real life have been raped. It's not at all surprising there would be an equally high number in comics.


How many super heroes have caught STDs? How many superheroes were molested as children? Heck, more women in comics have been raped than what there are homosexual characters in comics.
 
kainedamo said:
How many super heroes have caught STDs?
Green Arrow's sidekick Speedy has AIDS. And, of course, the original Speedy was addicted to heroin.
kainedamo said:
How many superheroes were molested as children?
Huntress, for one.
kainedamo said:
Heck, more women in comics have been raped than what there are homosexual characters in comics.
I highly doubt that. I can think of nearly two dozen gay/bi characters in comics. So far, everyone in this thread has been able to come up with barely four raped characters.
 
I'm pretty sure Wonder Woman's never been raped. I read an interview with someone from DC once (can't remember who...possibly Didio, but I don't know,) and the interviewee said something along the lines of "A lot of writers come in with a pitch like, 'Okay, so Wonder Woman gets raped...'" and if I remember correctly, this is an idea that usually gets vetoed pretty quickly...as that's not a direction DC wants to take the character.
 

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