Ant-Man So, I'm a casual, why should I be excited for this?

[Human Torch]

If the fact that they took Pym's only claim to fame away from him (Ultron) and presumably Wasp as well,and decided to make his big screen debut be as a a 70 y/o inspires the giddies down in your soul,than I'm happy for you.I am.Wish I could say the same.But the prospect does nothing to inspire confidence in me.It sounds like the first MCU character to get 'In Name Only' treatment.I expected more form Marvel.A lot more.

 

[DrCosmic]

^Meh. Iron Patriot. You're overreacting.

because they were impressed with what Wright presented them. that's the point. you should be excited (but i don't personally care if you are) because the people that were creative enough to develop the Avengers Universe were excited. and they've, by no means, "screwed" Hank Pym. his story predates the Avengers. but Hank was still an active superhero Ant-Man. he still created the Pym Particles. him not having the black mark of creating Ultron or beating up Jan is a blessing. and Michael Douglas is talent; pure and simple.

That really is the hook. The insiders have been right so far (TIH notwitstanding), with all the changes, the fact that they were and still are completely sold on Wright's Ant-Man is pretty interesting. Is it more likely that Marvel has it out for Hank Pym, the first character pitched and accepted by them? Or would it make sense for them to know something that we don't?

 

[marcvader]

^Meh. Iron Patriot. You're overreacting.

Meh, IP is not really = to Hank Pym.

 

[Ant-manic]

If the fact that they took Pym's only claim to fame away from him (Ultron) and presumably Wasp as well,and decided to make his big screen debut be as a a 70 y/o inspires the giddies down in your soul,than I'm happy for you.I am.Wish I could say the same.But the prospect does nothing to inspire confidence in me.It sounds like the first MCU character to get 'In Name Only' treatment.I expected more form Marvel.A lot more.

creating a mass murdering robot is not something to be proud of. blowing a relationship an attractive blueblood is not something to be proud of. that this part of Pym's story inspires the giddies down in your soul is quite sad. that version of Pym isn't fit to be played by someone of Michael Douglas' stature. I'm impressed by marvel going their own direction with this. they are elevating the character; leaving what worked, skewing what didn't, and adding a touch of class. the fact that Pym is the original ant-man and creator of the Pym particles already disqualifies him as an "In Name Only" character. Jan and Ultron weren't part of his Pym's origin story. and I bet you wouldn't complain one bit if Maria were left out of the story.

 

[Ant-manic]

Meh, IP is not really = to Hank Pym.

you're probably right. Jim Rhodes has actually had a couple of solo series.

 

[marcvader]

you're probably right. Jim Rhodes has actually had a couple of solo series.

mmkay

 

[Khonshu]

I think that this film has really cool "heist/thriller" potential with the jaded veteran crook taking on the tutelage of an upstart protege. Look at the film "Thunderbolt and Lightfoot" with Clint Eastwood and Jeff Bridges - it was a pretty solid buddy heist film with some of the same tropes (right down to the use of a special weapon to perform the heist). The plot of that film couldn't be directly borrowed because it involves bank robbery and has a downer ending - but the comic relationship between Eastwood and Bridges is a good template for how Douglas and Rudd could interact. Eastwood is the seasoned vet who is on the run from a previous employer - Bridges is the affable rookie who gets pulled in and then learns from Eastwood as they plan a job together.

 

[Ant-manic]

I think that this film has really cool "heist/thriller" potential with the jaded veteran crook taking on the tutelage of an upstart protege. Look at the film "Thunderbolt and Lightfoot" with Clint Eastwood and Jeff Bridges - it was a pretty solid buddy heist film with some of the same tropes (right down to the use of a special weapon to perform the heist). The plot of that film couldn't be directly borrowed because it involves bank robbery and has a downer ending - but the comic relationship between Eastwood and Bridges is a good template for how Douglas and Rudd could interact. Eastwood is the seasoned vet who is on the run from a previous employer - Bridges is the affable rookie who gets pulled in and then learns from Eastwood as they plan a job together.

early on, when Wright was still leaving us hints on his twitter, he mentioned some french heist film as influencing this. i've forgotten the name. but i like the sound of thunderbolt and lightfoot better. i hope that he wasn't exaggerating about the heist part of it. i still have to wonder what they will be stealing (and the "why" of it). are they maybe pretending to work for Pena? i'm guessing that the pym particles aren't the target; since they'd presumably be used by Lang and/or Pym during said-heist. maybe there are hints in the Earth's Mightiest episode that also influenced this.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

So... It's decided then... Rudd is elderly and he and Douglas are apparently the ONLY cast members of the film. Thanks Warhorse. Thank you for your psychic gift. I will be interested in seeing how Rudd plays both the lead hero and the villain and the love interest. Yes, Rudd and Douglas have a tough row to hoe... Unless by some miracle the rest of the cast is all under the age of 49 and telegenic and good looking like every other Marvel film to date.... But seriously, HOW POSSIBLE IS THAT?

 

[Human Torch]

creating a mass murdering robot is not something to be proud of. blowing a relationship an attractive blueblood is not something to be proud of. that this part of Pym's story inspires the giddies down in your soul is quite sad. that version of Pym isn't fit to be played by someone of Michael Douglas' stature. I'm impressed by marvel going their own direction with this. they are elevating the character; leaving what worked, skewing what didn't, and adding a touch of class. the fact that Pym is the original ant-man and creator of the Pym particles already disqualifies him as an "In Name Only" character. Jan and Ultron weren't part of his Pym's origin story. and I bet you wouldn't complain one bit if Maria were left out of the story.

The thing is they really don't need to sanitize Pym's persona since they didn't with Stark.(In fact,they pretty much reveled in it) Let the characters play as written.That is supposedly the Marvel staple: Flawed heroes.

 

[Human Torch]

So... It's decided then... Rudd is elderly and he and Douglas are apparently the ONLY cast members of the film. Thanks Warhorse. Thank you for your psychic gift. I will be interested in seeing how Rudd plays both the lead hero and the villain and the love interest. Yes, Rudd and Douglas have a tough row to hoe... Unless by some miracle the rest of the cast is all under the age of 49 and telegenic and good looking like every other Marvel film to date.... But seriously, HOW POSSIBLE IS THAT?

I would actually be interested in seeing that.t:

 

[Ant-manic]

The thing is they really don't need to sanitize Pym's persona since they didn't with Stark.(In fact,they pretty much reveled in it) Let the characters play as written.That is supposedly the Marvel staple: Flawed heroes.

movie Stark is not an alcoholic. he's not a womanizer to the degree that his comic book counterpart, is either. hell, it would be unbelievable for movie Stark to become the figurehead of the superhuman registration act. he could never be the guy that led the hunt for Captain America.

and it's less about sanitizing as elevating Pym. they are allowing him to occupy the same space as Captain America or Human Torch. he's one of the guys that got in on the ground floor. they weren't just sold some sales pitch by Fury or Coulson. they are self-made superheroes. Pym is a tales to astonish character. his origin is a black and white monster movie. the real reason Pym is old in this is because of that origin. Wright wanted to stay faithful/do justice to it. for that, it needed to take place in another time; one where that classic ant-man costume and the cold war villains would make sense.

 

[Human Torch]

Well,all I'm saying is they would probably touch on his domestic abuse "issues" without turning it into a full blown plot in the movie.The same way they did with Stark's demon in a bottle in IM 2.

As it is,the whole "wife beater" rap he gets is overblown.Jim Shooter said he never intended Pym to be depicted that way.

 

[Sun_Down]

Remember when Iron Man was coming out and Marvel got blasted for "rolling out the B-team?" It's kind of (exactly) like that.

 

[Ant-manic]

Well,all I'm saying is they would probably touch on his domestic abuse "issues" without turning it into a full blown plot in the movie.The same way they did with Stark's demon in a bottle in IM 2.

As it is,the whole "wife beater" rap he gets is overblown.Jim Shooter said he never intended Pym to be depicted that way.

Shooter was just covering his own rear. the backhand was the final straw in a dying relationship.

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[Dr. Evil]

Rudd's been in movies with these guys, who are very popular among the 18-40 crowd themselves:

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Impossible!! First off those guys are soooooooooo OOOOOOOLLLLLD. Plus, no one young ever, ever, ever goes to see something with someone that is older than them. This is a known fact according to Warhorse.

 

[Mike Murdock]

This is a rather arrogant thread. Must it exist and not just be a post in the general Ant Man thread?

I personally would rather have this separate so we don't have the main thread bogged down by this and can instead devote it to productive discussion of actual news.

Ant-Man is not the greatest Marvel character in the world. To be honest, I normally would not be that excited. That being said, there are two things that excite me:

1. The fact that this movie "sold" Marvel on the idea of Ant-Man. I get the impression that, were it not for Edgar Wright, Ant-Man would never be incorporated into the movie universe. Instead, we're not only getting an Ant-Man movie, but they've been planning for the moment of its arrival for quite some time.

2. The movie seems to be "different." It's been described as a heist movie. It won't just be another Iron Man. Just like The Winter Soldier tried to do something different, I think this movie will feel very different. That alone will probably make it worth watching. Marvel has shown that it seeks quality, so a quality heist movie with ties to the universe as a whole seems promising.

ETA: For what it's worth, I hope Pym is an A-hole. By having him older and not the hero of the movie, I think it works well. He could have his demons and made mistakes in the past (but still was a flawed hero). Then he passes the torch to the new Ant-Man as someone who can be a better person than he was.

 

[Ant-manic]

I personally would rather have this separate so we don't have the main thread bogged down by this and can instead devote it to productive discussion of actual news.

Ant-Man is not the greatest Marvel character in the world. To be honest, I normally would not be that excited. That being said, there are two things that excite me:

1. The fact that this movie "sold" Marvel on the idea of Ant-Man. I get the impression that, were it not for Edgar Wright, Ant-Man would never be incorporated into the movie universe. Instead, we're not only getting an Ant-Man movie, but they've been planning for the moment of its arrival for quite some time.

2. The movie seems to be "different." It's been described as a heist movie. It won't just be another Iron Man. Just like The Winter Soldier tried to do something different, I think this movie will feel very different. That alone will probably make it worth watching. Marvel has shown that it seeks quality, so a quality heist movie with ties to the universe as a whole seems promising.

ETA: For what it's worth, I hope Pym is an A-hole. By having him older and not the hero of the movie, I think it works well. He could have his demons and made mistakes in the past (but still was a flawed hero). Then he passes the torch to the new Ant-Man as someone who can be a better person than he was.

yeah, I'm kind of hoping they cast Michael Douglas because they want him to play one of those classic not-sure-that-I-should-like-this-guy Douglas roles. it'll make for good contrast when they show him as a younger man/costumed adventurer. I'm kind of hoping that he and Rudd's Lang character don't get along/trust one another. if the torch is passed, it should be reluctantly and only after Scott has earned it.

 

[doink]

I personally would rather have this separate so we don't have the main thread bogged down by this and can instead devote it to productive discussion of actual news.

Ant-Man is not the greatest Marvel character in the world. To be honest, I normally would not be that excited. That being said, there are two things that excite me:

1. The fact that this movie "sold" Marvel on the idea of Ant-Man. I get the impression that, were it not for Edgar Wright, Ant-Man would never be incorporated into the movie universe. Instead, we're not only getting an Ant-Man movie, but they've been planning for the moment of its arrival for quite some time.

2. The movie seems to be "different." It's been described as a heist movie. It won't just be another Iron Man. Just like The Winter Soldier tried to do something different, I think this movie will feel very different. That alone will probably make it worth watching. Marvel has shown that it seeks quality, so a quality heist movie with ties to the universe as a whole seems promising.

ETA: For what it's worth, I hope Pym is an A-hole. By having him older and not the hero of the movie, I think it works well. He could have his demons and made mistakes in the past (but still was a flawed hero). Then he passes the torch to the new Ant-Man as someone who can be a better person than he was.

In addition to what you said, I like the whole legacy aspect of the story as well. It's something that hasn't been done in the MCU before and it hasn't been seen much in other superhero movies (only recent one I can think of is TDKR).

Having Pym be Ant-Man in the 60s also fills out more of the gap in the MCU between Cap getting frozen and Iron Man (and that's also another reason I'm looking forward to the Agent Carter show since that fills the gap too).

 

[warhorse78]

Impossible!! First off those guys are soooooooooo OOOOOOOLLLLLD. Plus, no one young ever, ever, ever goes to see something with someone that is older than them. This is a known fact according to Warhorse.

Spoken like a true moron. Like I said, I'm just a casual movie goer. I don't care for either Rudd or Douglas, they're kind of boring and bland compared to other older actors like Downey Jr and Jackson, so that's why I'm not just feeling the hype to this, so that's why I asked you all, what will make this movie stand out? What is so great about the characters/story? Quit being *****ey snobs and help me out here.

PS, too bad Nick Frost, Martin Freeman or Simon Pegg aren't in this, then maybe I might be a bit more excited.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Quite the low temperature narrative there, male sibling.

 

[chamber-music]

1. The fact that this movie "sold" Marvel on the idea of Ant-Man. I get the impression that, were it not for Edgar Wright, Ant-Man would never be incorporated into the movie universe. Instead, we're not only getting an Ant-Man movie, but they've been planning for the moment of its arrival for quite some time.

Well Pym and Wasp would of been in the Marvel movie universe regardless of Edgar.

Ant-Man or at least Pym in one of his identities would of been in the first Avengers film with Wasp who was in early drafts for Whedon's Avengers if Edgar wasn't making his own Ant-Man film. Feige said the fact Marvel knew what Edgar planned with this upcoming Ant-Man film dictated the line up of the first avengers film and their plans for the marvel universe as a whole.

Regarding the two protagonists in Ant-Man.

Rudd's Lang has been described like he is going to be something of a likeable thief and unlikely hero.

I'm not sure about seeing Douglas play Pym as either a villain or an unscrupulous character. You need the character to be either really compelling or actor who is really charismatic to pull off having a lead character who isn't very likeable or audiences will just not care.

 

[Ant-manic]

Well Pym and Wasp would of been in the Marvel movie universe regardless of Edgar.

Ant-Man or at least Pym in one of his identities would of been in the first Avengers film with Wasp who was in early drafts for Whedon's Avengers if Edgar wasn't making his own Ant-Man film. Feige said the fact Marvel knew what Edgar planned with this upcoming Ant-Man film dictated the line up of the first avengers film and their plans for the marvel universe as a whole.

Wasp was in early drafts. she's the type of character that Whedon likes. that doesn't mean that Pym would have been a young guy and an Avenger. whedon already had "two pyms" in Avengers. I bet that part of keeping RDj around was beefing up his role in Age of Ultron. that would have required Pym to take a backseat. Pym might not have even had a solo movie or appeared as Ant-Man (them preferring to skip right ahead to Giant-Man to avoid redundancy).

I'm not sure about seeing Douglas play Pym as either a villain or an unscrupulous character. You need the character to be either really compelling or actor who is really charismatic to pull off having a lead character who isn't very likeable or audiences will just not care.

Douglas has been playing compelling unscrupulous people/charismatic leads since I was in junior high school.

 

[Human Torch]

I personally would rather have this separate so we don't have the main thread bogged down by this and can instead devote it to productive discussion of actual news.

Ant-Man is not the greatest Marvel character in the world. To be honest, I normally would not be that excited. That being said, there are two things that excite me:

1. The fact that this movie "sold" Marvel on the idea of Ant-Man. I get the impression that, were it not for Edgar Wright, Ant-Man would never be incorporated into the movie universe. Instead, we're not only getting an Ant-Man movie, but they've been planning for the moment of its arrival for quite some time.

2. The movie seems to be "different." It's been described as a heist movie. It won't just be another Iron Man. Just like The Winter Soldier tried to do something different, I think this movie will feel very different. That alone will probably make it worth watching. Marvel has shown that it seeks quality, so a quality heist movie with ties to the universe as a whole seems promising.

ETA: For what it's worth, I hope Pym is an A-hole. By having him older and not the hero of the movie, I think it works well. He could have his demons and made mistakes in the past (but still was a flawed hero). Then he passes the torch to the new Ant-Man as someone who can be a better person than he was.

I'm quite sure they would've used Pym in some capacity if not for this film.Pym has a rich history with the Avengers.He'd have been brought in eventually.Probably post RDJ involvement.