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[Milkman95]

Joker scarring Dent doesn't bother me.

What does bother me is Latino Review having an Iron Man and Rambo IV script reviews and not releasing the so-called TDK one they said they had years ago. Nice.

 

[Cinemaman]

I am ok with Joker scarring Dent, I think it will look very logical in 3rd movie.

BTW, where did you find IM script review???

 

[Maxwell Smart]

What does bother me is Latino Review having an Iron Man and Rambo IV script reviews and not releasing the so-called TDK one they said they had years ago. Nice.

I think you mean "months ago".

Anyway, I just read the Rambo IV script review and well, I'm there, dude! I wasn't looking forward to it before but now I am. The good things Mayimbe had to say about Rocky Balboa makes me kinda temped to go see that, too. Maybe Sly is making his comeback?


Anyway, I know what you mean. It was such a tease on their part to say they were gonna have it, and then nothing. Hell the bastards won't even say they're sorry but they can't post it due to legal pressure from WB; all we get is complete silence on the issue.

 

[Van Petrol]

Regarding the original topic of this thread, this was posted on BOF's News Page.....

Well, at least it's SOMETHING!
Author: Jett
Tuesday, December 12, 2006 - 10:07 AM Last week, several websites, namely my friends over at MOVIEHOLE.NET, mentioned that Rachel McAdams has been rumored for a part in TDK. McAdams was also said to be up for the role of "Pepper Potts" in IRON MAN. Well, according to McAdams fansite RACHELONLINE.NET, McAdams' publicist has shot down the IRON MAN rumor. What does this have to do with TDK? Probably nothing, but since 2007 is fast approaching, we'll find out soon enough...

Just speculating here, but IF McAdams does snag a role in TDK, what part will it be? What does this mean for the Rachel Dawes character and Katie Holmes returning?

Source: http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

 

[Two-Face]

YES! RM for TDK!!

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I don't particularly care for the idea of Joker scarring Dent because having a MAJOR villain create another MAJOR villain just doesn't sit right with me.

I don't think it necessarily has to be Maroni, but I don't want it to be The Joker(although I guess I could live with it if it happens). If Roman Sionis is in it I wouldn't mind him doing the deed, hes not an extremely important villain like The Joker. Plus if hes portrayed in the movie as being an associate of Maroni's it could really make sense because if the Joker goes about interfering with Maroni's plans in TDK when he(Joker) goes on trial it would make sense that some of the witnesses against him might include Maroni or his associates(like Sionis). Sionis could especially make sense if hes portrayed as being an under the table type associate who also has his "legit" business(his parent's company), and Dent/Gordon/Batman's investigation outs him. At that point he would have nothing to lose, whereas Maroni has a criminal empire he wants to hold on to.

What do you guys think?

If Roman, and Maroni are introduced for the sole purpose of scarring Dent then no, Joker is the main antagonist in the movie, he should scar Dent, the storylines in this movie are already insanley crowded, Batmans continued storyline, Joker, Dent, Gordon's rise, if the rumors of ether Kyle, or Penguin being in this are true it is already too crowded. Adding Maroni, or Roman, or something like that for the purpose of not making it so Joker scars him would not work. It is too much work, and wouldn't be nearly as climatic.

Besides, what is the importance of a specific person scarring Dent? It is the idea, the same evil he was trying to take down, is what he has become. The difference with Batman is it HAS to be the Idea, Joe Chill wasn't important, if they would have had any petty criminal working for Falcone it would have worked, But you can't make Batmans quest personal with Joker, it has to be the idea of all Villains, all evil has to be Batmans Vendetta. Dent blames Batman regardless so if it Maroni, Roman, or Joker, he will still blame batman

 

[Avernus]

I know where you are coming from. I want everyone back too but if she says no then what such Nolan do? Assuming that Rachel plays a big part of the story in TDK, you cannot just cutoff the character because you don't want to recast.

If it had to be done, who would you suggest?

she's said she'd come back....I think they don't want her. I think it's either Talia or Selina.....either are great choices...

 

[Avernus]

Well, at least it's SOMETHING!
Author: Jett
Tuesday, December 12, 2006 - 10:07 AM Last week, several websites, namely my friends over at MOVIEHOLE.NET, mentioned that Rachel McAdams has been rumored for a part in TDK. McAdams was also said to be up for the role of "Pepper Potts" in IRON MAN. Well, according to McAdams fansite RACHELONLINE.NET, McAdams' publicist has shot down the IRON MAN rumor. What does this have to do with TDK? Probably nothing, but since 2007 is fast approaching, we'll find out soon enough... Just speculating here, but IF McAdams does snag a role in TDK, what part will it be? What does this mean for the Rachel Dawes character and Katie Holmes returning?

the plot thickens..

 

[Miranda Fox]

the plot thickens..

Indeed.

In fact, Jett is acting mighty strange about this. He keeps saying stuff like 'if she's in the mix at all' but if she wasn't, why even mention it in the first place?

 

[grimlock]

a Trip back to Moviehole memory lane.
Moviehole last year said Isla Fisher is the next leading lady cozying it up to the Bats but turns out to be only a rumor followed by Rachel Weisz as Ras daughter Talia. Then this time it says McAdams plays a certain character in TDK" She seems more like Harley material to me.
Moviehole is still confident that Kate is back when fans inquire about her return. Months back Nolan told Pasadena news he hopes Katie will return and that he will be knocking on doors once his script is done as he claims.
Weeks later insiders and employees saw Nolan and Katie chatting on the Warner lot---then two weeks later she's off for her Italy wedding.
This weekend TomKat had their post wedding party and Katie partied with her Batman cast-crew. I can almost hear them say to each other "see you March". Showbiz said Katie was in Long Beach,Ca. doing her photo shoot for Harper Magazine surrounded by bodyguards its her first exclusive interview. I cant see her talk about her wedding again when its all over.
I think its all a stage up for her movie comeback after her mommy hiatus.
Im banking we will officially hear about Rachel Dawes status from Katie herself.
Tom's ex-wife Mimi Rogers said Katie is getting lots of offers but she's the one turning down many projects and this coincides with Moviehole also saying many scripts are coming for her and her career will be hot.
Clint already read the treatment for her cop movie with Robert DeNiro that's a very dark & gritty film. He will delve more on it on his next column.
I dont see Katie turning down Nolan and if the news say she's picking more adult challenging projects then I dont see TDK as a teeny bopper project. I apologize for being biased because Im a fan of Rachel Dawes and Miss Holmes.

 

[Uncanny]

Dr. Harleen Quinzel (Harley Quinn)?

 

[Keyser Sushi]

That's like saying the villains don't matter.

Batman has to be the focus of the movie. That's where the previous franchise went wrong, they focused more on the villains than on the hero. In Batman 89 it was balanced fairly evenly between the two -- which is pretty heavy on the villain, honestly, but at least Batman had a lot to do. With each successive film the villains overshadowed our hero just a little bit more. And then there were multiple heroes.

The more major characters you have the less characterization you have time for in a movie, and that gets to be a problem. It's a balancing act.

If you want to put Sal Maroni in the movie then he has to have a role to play, at least as big as Falcone's in BB. And then you have to give Harvey time to piss him off. Meanwhile you've got the Joker, whom we know is going to be the major villain in this movie. Then there's still Batman, and Gordon, whose relationshp must continue to grow. Meanwhile we have to do a lot of character stuff with Batman because the movie MUST be about him. It's called "The Dark Knight," after all.

Now you can make the case that this really isn't a lot more characters than we saw in BB... the difference is that in BB, Falcone and Ra's were both personal quests for Batman, and Scarecrow was working for them so he wasn't really an independent operator.

With TDK, we have Joker, and Joker works for nobody, he's his own looney. LOL. So we need Joker to be the guy who pisses Bruce off the most. We also need to establish Harvey as Batman's ally. These two pieces of characterization are crucial.

If Joker scars Harvey, that's almost comparable to crippling Babs or Killing Jason... it's the type of thing Joker would do just to annoy Batman. And in a franchise that is going to be unencumbered by Robin and Batgirl, we need other targets for Joker. Rachel would be a prime Joker target. So would Harvey. So it establishes Joker's ability to impact Batman's life in such memorable and unforgivable ways, without introducing extraneous characters. That's as it should be.

 

[StorminNorman]

Dr. Harleen Quinzel (Harley Quinn)?

Yes - they are one in the same.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Ah, you worry too much.

I'm sure we'll be complaining the whole next year and at least one year after TDK release.

LOL. True, true.

I agree with Crooklyn.

You either accept Joker can be both Wayne's killer and Harvey's acid-thrower (?) depending on the vision or neither of those. Otherwise it's pure wishy-washiness.

In that case, good sir... you accepted Joker as the Waynes' killer in B89, did you not? So you could, then, accept him as Harvey's acid-thrower, yes?

 

[Avernus]

a Trip back to Moviehole memory lane.
Moviehole last year said Isla Fisher is the next leading lady cozying it up to the Bats but turns out to be only a rumor followed by Rachel Weisz as Ras daughter Talia. Then this time it says McAdams plays a certain character in TDK" She seems more like Harley material to me.
Moviehole is still confident that Kate is back when fans inquire about her return. Months back Nolan told Pasadena news he hopes Katie will return and that he will be knocking on doors once his script is done as he claims.
Weeks later insiders and employees saw Nolan and Katie chatting on the Warner lot---then two weeks later she's off for her Italy wedding.
This weekend TomKat had their post wedding party and Katie partied with her Batman cast-crew. I can almost hear them say to each other "see you March". Showbiz said Katie was in Long Beach,Ca. doing her photo shoot for Harper Magazine surrounded by bodyguards its her first exclusive interview. I cant see her talk about her wedding again when its all over.
I think its all a stage up for her movie comeback after her mommy hiatus.
Im banking we will officially hear about Rachel Dawes status from Katie herself.
Tom's ex-wife Mimi Rogers said Katie is getting lots of offers but she's the one turning down many projects and this coincides with Moviehole also saying many scripts are coming for her and her career will be hot.
Clint already read the treatment for her cop movie with Robert DeNiro that's a very dark & gritty film. He will delve more on it on his next column.
I dont see Katie turning down Nolan and if the news say she's picking more adult challenging projects then I dont see TDK as a teeny bopper project. I apologize for being biased because Im a fan of Rachel Dawes and Miss Holmes.

yeah...I thought about Harley after my post....she'd be a nice fit for Harley.....

 

[Cinemaman]

Ok, if that's really true, then McAdams has a really difficult choice between IM and TDK.

 

[Miranda Fox]

Ok, if that's really true, then McAdams has a really difficult choice between IM and TDK.

According to her spokeswoman, she isn't involved with IM. So maybe not that hard anymore.

 

[El Payaso]

In that case, good sir... you accepted Joker as the Waynes' killer in B89, did you not? So you could, then, accept him as Harvey's acid-thrower, yes?

If it adds something in the practice, then yes. As an idea, I doubt it.

For example, in comics Joker and Batman hates each other for no reason other than they're supposed to be abstractions of order and chaos and therefore, "theoretically," they "should hate each other." In B89 Batman and Joker are products of their own violence. Batman screwed Joker's face and Joker screwed Bruice's life, finally bthey have a concrete reason for they hatred. I've read some people here saying B89 was bad because violent acts didn't have consecquences there. I disagree.

If something new happen out of Joker being the one creating Two-Face, well, that will change my mind for sure.

 

[El Payaso]

Double Post

 

[Keyser Sushi]

If it adds something in the practice, then yes. As an idea, I doubt it.

Fair enough.

For example, in comics Joker and Batman hates each other for no reason other than they're supposed to be abstractions of order and chaos and therefore, "theoretically," they "should hate each other." In B89 Batman and Joker are products of their own violence. Batman screwed Joker's face and Joker screwed Bruice's life, finally bthey have a concrete reason for they hatred. I've read some people here saying B89 was bad because violent acts didn't have consecquences there. I disagree.

You're right. I prefer Joe Chill killing the Waynes... but in terms of narrative structure, Joker doing the deed added a certain symmetry and personal nature to the story that made a strong movie. Especially considering the relatively linear nature and brief timespan of the Batman '89 story. That personal angle was needed to make the audience invest in the characters, and yes, it worked very well.

As I outlined above, in a previous post, I do think that Joker scarring Harvey could add something, as you put it. I see potential here... Joker thinks he's more clever than everyone, right? Batman foils him. Joker is affronted... Joker sets Bat-trap...Batman defeats him. Joker scars Harvey just out of pure spite. Because he knows Batman cares about him. I dunno. I could see it working. I'm sure I've oversimplified it there, but you know... if this movie is going to be about "escalation," as Nolan has said,
I think that it's necessary to have Batman's friends under fire... and Joker is the poster-boy for that escalated criminal element that Gordon spoke of.

And he'd do almost anything.

If something new happen out of Joker being the one creating Two-Face, well, that will change my mind for sure.

That's a good answer. I accept that answer. I have no reason to argue against that answer.

 

[Crooklyn]

They've already used up the "major character creates another major character" card in BB, so let's ignore that situation when possible. Thanks.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

They've already used up the "major character creates another major character" card in BB, so let's ignore that situation when possible. Thanks.

Yeah, they... uhhhh....err...

Wait, HUH?!?!?

 

[Katsuro]

Yeah, they... uhhhh....err...

Wait, HUH?!?!?

I think he means Martha Wayne creating Bruce Wayne, with the help of Thomas Wayne of course. If not that, then I dont know what he's talking about. Ra's al Ghul was just the final step in a long journey leading to Batman, and Falcone just represented the kind of crime that created people like Chill, i doubt he was around when it actually happened. As for Chill, he's not really major.

 

[Crooklyn]

Yes, I was referring to Ra's training Bats. I'm not even gon' argue his importance in Bruce becoming Batman, because it's quite clear in the film.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I think it works. I didn't like the idea too much at first, but Keyser makes some good points. Now I actually want Joker to scar Dent. I really do. Of course if Maroni ends up doing it will be OK....But it actually sounds kind of boring in comparison.