Someone was not lying on this board!

[Fran]

About a month ago, I read a thread that someone claimed they had the official second trailer and he described it. In it, he said that Flint Marko was the killer of Ben Parker. And every single person on this board said he was lying.

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Well fast foward now, it turns out the guy was right and Ben was killed by Flint Marko, Sandman.

Now, my question is can someone bump the thread up for me cuz I now wanna read the second trailer description more closely.

woopty doo!

My thoughts exactly.

This wasn't worthy of a thread at all.

'Fire, M.E.H.Z.E.B., get on it!

 

[Dragon]

does this mean that when peter confronted the wrestling match thief who he'd THOUGHT carjacked and killed uncle ben he done so for the wrong reason and caused him to fall to his death for a crime he DIDN'T COMMIT?

It doesn't mean that AT ALL. THINK PEOPLE-

1. No matter how you slice it- If Peter stopped the burglar in the wrestling arena, Ben would've lived. If the robbery were stopped, Marko wouldn't have carjacked Ben. He sure as hell wouldn't have killed someone to get away from a crime he couldn't be implicated in. He'd have just faded into the crowd and disappeared. Even if the burglar tried to finger Marko as an accomplice it's just his word against Marko's. No jury would buy it.

2. Peter didn't cause the burglar to fall to his death. Remember- the burglar was going to KILL Peter (Gun point blank at Peter's head), Peter defended himself, and the bastard stumbled and fell to his death. And does anyone doubt that if the burglar had the opportunity and need he wouldn't have killed Ben?

This changes nothing regarding the story. Peter is still guilty of letting a criminal run free and his Uncle Ben paid the price for it. End of story.

 

[3dman27]

i didn't say it changed anything spidey's aways saying everything's his fault now theres something ELSE he can blame himself for

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

It doesn't mean that AT ALL. THINK PEOPLE-

1. No matter how you slice it- If Peter stopped the burglar in the wrestling arena, Ben would've lived. If the robbery were stopped, Marko wouldn't have carjacked Ben. He sure as hell wouldn't have killed someone to get away from a crime he couldn't be implicated in. He'd have just faded into the crowd and disappeared. Even if the burglar tried to finger Marko as an accomplice it's just his word against Marko's. No jury would buy it.

2. Peter didn't cause the burglar to fall to his death. Remember- the burglar was going to KILL Peter (Gun point blank at Peter's head), Peter defended himself, and the bastard stumbled and fell to his death. And does anyone doubt that if the burglar had the opportunity and need he wouldn't have killed Ben?

This changes nothing regarding the story. Peter is still guilty of letting a criminal run free and his Uncle Ben paid the price for it. End of story.

exactly, the story will always stay same it's just switching marko into the position of the burglar. he moral of the story will no doubtly stay the same.

 

[X Knight]

well....I'm still hoping Sandy didn't kill uncle Ben........

 

[Secret_Riddle]

Because the Newspaper propaganda has warped the city's minds.

We dont know that Jamieson still hunts spidey. for all we know, the bugle has stopped harassing spidey and begins again when he gets the symboite.

 

[Reikowolf]

It doesn't mean that AT ALL. THINK PEOPLE-

1. No matter how you slice it- If Peter stopped the burglar in the wrestling arena, Ben would've lived. If the robbery were stopped, Marko wouldn't have carjacked Ben. He sure as hell wouldn't have killed someone to get away from a crime he couldn't be implicated in. He'd have just faded into the crowd and disappeared. Even if the burglar tried to finger Marko as an accomplice it's just his word against Marko's. No jury would buy it.

2. Peter didn't cause the burglar to fall to his death. Remember- the burglar was going to KILL Peter (Gun point blank at Peter's head), Peter defended himself, and the bastard stumbled and fell to his death. And does anyone doubt that if the burglar had the opportunity and need he wouldn't have killed Ben?

This changes nothing regarding the story. Peter is still guilty of letting a criminal run free and his Uncle Ben paid the price for it. End of story.

To be fair Peter was going to kill the burglar, the thing that made him hesitate (giving the burglar a chance to pull a gun) was when he found out it was the same guy he let go.

Now that he knows it wasn't his direct fault (its still his indirect fault) he will be conflicted.. does he still want to kill this man? the symbiote will be used as a plot device to give him the freedom to go after this man and try to kill him.

Remember, this movie is about revenge

I don't think this in anyway questions his being spider-man... his uncle died and with all the powers he had in the world he couldn't save his life (much like pa kent died in the richard donner superman movie)

it may have been the guilt which leaned him towards becoming spider-man but it was more his uncle ben's words "with great power comes great responsibility" that's why he became spider-man.

sandman will put his reasons for becoming spider-man into question
was he spider-man for revenge (much like batman) or did he become spider-man after realizing how important his uncles words were

 

[The Joker]

To be fair Peter was going to kill the burglar, the thing that made him hesitate (giving the burglar a chance to pull a gun) was when he found out it was the same guy he let go.

You can't say for certain that he was going to kill him. There's no proof of it. Sure, Peter showed no remorse when the burglar fell thru the window, but that doesn't mean he intended to kill him.

He may very well have wanted to. But wanting to do something, and actually intending to do it are two different things.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

To be fair Peter was going to kill the burglar, the thing that made him hesitate (giving the burglar a chance to pull a gun) was when he found out it was the same guy he let go.

Now that he knows it wasn't his direct fault (its still his indirect fault) he will be conflicted.. does he still want to kill this man? the symbiote will be used as a plot device to give him the freedom to go after this man and try to kill him.

Remember, this movie is about revenge

I don't think this in anyway questions his being spider-man... his uncle died and with all the powers he had in the world he couldn't save his life (much like pa kent died in the richard donner superman movie)

it may have been the guilt which leaned him towards becoming spider-man but it was more his uncle ben's words "with great power comes great responsibility" that's why he became spider-man.

sandman will put his reasons for becoming spider-man into question
was he spider-man for revenge (much like batman) or did he become spider-man after realizing how important his uncles words were

very true. the moral of the story is with great power comes great respoonsibility and that is what made peter become soider-man. peter got the powers from the spidy but it was really uncle ben who made him become spider-man.

peter wants to kill marko but the symbiote just wants peter to be even more angry and wants peter to kill marko. the symbiote is loving peters thurst for revenge so it wants to make that thurst worse and worse. peter wants to kill him yes but aunt may has to explain to him what revenge can do to you and we heard that in the trailer. it's peters responsibility to do good and take responsibility for his actions in which he learned from his uncle bens death.

 

[Josh Bond]

It doesn't mean that AT ALL. THINK PEOPLE-

1. No matter how you slice it- If Peter stopped the burglar in the wrestling arena, Ben would've lived. If the robbery were stopped, Marko wouldn't have carjacked Ben. He sure as hell wouldn't have killed someone to get away from a crime he couldn't be implicated in. He'd have just faded into the crowd and disappeared. Even if the burglar tried to finger Marko as an accomplice it's just his word against Marko's. No jury would buy it.

2. Peter didn't cause the burglar to fall to his death. Remember- the burglar was going to KILL Peter (Gun point blank at Peter's head), Peter defended himself, and the bastard stumbled and fell to his death. And does anyone doubt that if the burglar had the opportunity and need he wouldn't have killed Ben?

This changes nothing regarding the story. Peter is still guilty of letting a criminal run free and his Uncle Ben paid the price for it. End of story.

So your saying that the burglar and marco were working together?
Huhh, I always thought that maybe marco would shoot Ben to get away from another crime, and then see police coming and realized he didn't have time or something. Then the burglar would just get in the car and drive off. Therefor it wouldn't be Peter's fault, it depends the way Sam decides to do it, i'm hoping it's the way that u thought it would happen.
BTW, dose anyone have the direct diologue from the scene in the 1st movie where peter is fighting the burlar?

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I think he's talking about this. I forgot who posted it but I saved it on microsoft word.
The script summary was the first thing to say that Sandman is the real killer of Uncle Ben btw.

Yeah, I posted that and got flamed by the people on here than when the trailer hit everyone was like "Wow, you're right."

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

So your saying that the burglar and marco were working together?
Huhh, I always thought that maybe marco would shoot Ben to get away from another crime, and then see police coming and realized he didn't have time or something. Then the burglar would just get in the car and drive off. Therefor it wouldn't be Peter's fault, it depends the way Sam decides to do it, i'm hoping it's the way that u thought it would happen.
BTW, dose anyone have the direct diologue from the scene in the 1st movie where peter is fighting the burlar?

i have it, the burglar says, "give me a chance, just give me a chance!". peter says, "what about my uncle? did you give him a chance? did you". peter has a flash back of burglar. the burglar starts laughing points a gun at peter and says, "see ya". peter grabs his hand and brakes his hand". the burglar says, "no" while backing up and falls out the window screaming.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Yeah, I posted that and got flamed by the people on here than when the trailer hit everyone was like "Wow, you're right."

Yeah, I made that thread.

 

[SLYspyder]

yeah, but ti's more petre's fault if the original guy did it, coz peter let him escape.

EXACTLY!!! and that's the truth.. they shouldn't mess with that seeing how that was so beautifully displayed in the film, and is straight out of the comics... Sandman beeing the killer would interfere with that in an exstreme way, and I just dont see Raimi doing it! But I'll buy and bet that the robber that shot Ben was working for Sandman though.

true, MORE his fault, just like it'll also be MORE his fault if he used to spider powers and beat uncle ben to death but it's not important if it's more or less, all that matters is that peter's actions, directly or indirectly, caused ben's death.

 

[Josh Bond]

i have it, the burglar says, "give me a chance, just give me a chance!". peter says, "what about my uncle? did you give him a chance? did you". peter has a flash back of burglar. the burglar starts laughing points a gun at peter and says, "see ya". peter grabs his hand and brakes his hand". the burglar says, "no" while backing up and falls out the window screaming.

hmm, if the burglar was innocent, you'd think he would have said "what r u talking about?" or "I didn't kill anyone!" "Just give me a chance" sounds like someone who did something worse then rob a bank.
Ps- thanx spidermanhero12.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

hmm, if the burglar was innocent, you'd think he would have said "what r u talking about?" or "I didn't kill anyone!" "Just give me a chance" sounds like someone who did something worse then rob a bank.
Ps- thanx spidermanhero12.

no problem. the burglar said, "just give me a chsnce", he must have said that because he needed time to explain to peter about marko killing his uncle ben and not him.

 

[Josh Bond]

no problem. the burglar said, "just give me a chsnce", he must have said that because he needed time to explain to peter about marko killing his uncle ben and not him.

hmm, possibly. I don't think we will ever realy know until we see spider-man 3.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Something just doesn't seem right. If Flint Marko killed Unlce Ben why in the hell were the cops chasing the burglar and not Marko? The burglar even had a gun. There were witnesses there that said he had been shot. So the witnesses would have told the cops who it was. Right? If you ask me, Flint Marko isn't the killer.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Something just doesn't seem right. If Flint Marko killed Unlce Ben why in the hell were the cops chasing the burglar and not Marko? The burglar even had a gun. There were witnesses there that said he had been shot. So the witnesses would have told the cops who it was. Right? If you ask me, Flint Marko isn't the killer.

marko probably ran away and hid somewhere.

 

[Dragon]

So your saying that the burglar and marco were working together?
Huhh, I always thought that maybe marco would shoot Ben to get away from another crime, and then see police coming and realized he didn't have time or something. Then the burglar would just get in the car and drive off. Therefor it wouldn't be Peter's fault, it depends the way Sam decides to do it, i'm hoping it's the way that u thought it would happen.
BTW, dose anyone have the direct diologue from the scene in the 1st movie where peter is fighting the burlar?

Marko and the Burglar are definitely partners. The photos even show them together. One of the recent articles says Marko slips out of the car during the chase.

 

[Dragon]

hmm, if the burglar was innocent, you'd think he would have said "what r u talking about?" or "I didn't kill anyone!" "Just give me a chance" sounds like someone who did something worse then rob a bank.
Ps- thanx spidermanhero12.

Well, regardless the burglar is an accomplice to Ben's murder. He'd likely get a life sentence right along with Marko. Initially when word of this story concept came out, and I hated the idea, I also wondered why the Burglar, while getting his ass kicked by Peter wouldn't just say "I didn't kill him!".

But- let's remember that not everyone is a quick thinker (And that guy didn't appear to be the sharpest tool in the shed). Once he got his bearings back he probably figured "screw this kid" and decided it was easier to blow Peter's brains out. The fact that he didn't shoot Ben doesn't mean he's not a killer. Hell, he looks like he's even more violent than Marko, and probably would've enjoyed killing Ben, but Marko got to him first. Whereas Marko is conflicted about shooting Ben, the burglar appears like he had no problem with it.

 

[Dragon]

Something just doesn't seem right. If Flint Marko killed Unlce Ben why in the hell were the cops chasing the burglar and not Marko? The burglar even had a gun. There were witnesses there that said he had been shot. So the witnesses would have told the cops who it was. Right? If you ask me, Flint Marko isn't the killer.

The cops are just chasing Ben's car. According to one of the articles (Empire?) Marko is in the car with the burglar, but slips out. And there weren't any witnesses that said who shot Ben, just that he had been shot, which is apparent simply to look at Ben. They probably didn't get a good look at either Marko or the burglar.

 

[lordofthenerds]

The cops are just chasing Ben's car. According to one of the articles (Empire?) Marko is in the car with the burglar, but slips out. And there weren't any witnesses that said who shot Ben, just that he had been shot, which is apparent simply to look at Ben. They probably didn't get a good look at either Marko or the burglar.

Yeah, Premiere said that.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

The cops are just chasing Ben's car. According to one of the articles (Empire?) Marko is in the car with the burglar, but slips out. And there weren't any witnesses that said who shot Ben, just that he had been shot, which is apparent simply to look at Ben. They probably didn't get a good look at either Marko or the burglar.

yeah, and hopefully the flash back in the movie will show us the scene.

 

[Fran]

I'm sure it will, no doubt.