Comics Speculation of Spider-Man Storyline for Summer 2007

[spideylover89]

DC did the same kind of thing with Jade and Kyle Rayner. They wanted to kill off Jade (so Kyle could get his Ion powers back), but realised they may face resistence from fans if they did this. So they made her have an affair and turned her into a serious b*tch - fans then universally hated her and when she was then killed in IC - there was hardly a murmour.

I would imagine Marvel would have to do something similar if they wanted to kill off MJ permanently.

It could be a bigger problem with spidey though because you're dealing with a couple that has been together for like 20 years. Since the fans all know Joe Q will do anything do trash MJ, I don't see them buying a story like this. Plus look at Sins Past; they turned Gwen into a lying, cheating, Goblin mom, and the fans were less outraged with Gwen and more outraged with the writers who spit all over her good name.
I don't care if they turn MJ into a cheater or a *****, I'm still leaving the book because that is the same as killing her off...actually no, it's worse. They can't just kill characters anymore, they have to completely deface them first.

 

[Anti-Moderator]

MJ is gonna hook up with Tony Stark.

 

[LarryLegend]

The way things are I can see them making MJ a cheater and breaking them up. I mean it didn't work when they killed her but they probally think it was just due to Mackie being the writer. In their minds, if it comes from the mighty JMS they probally feel it will fly.

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Meh, I don't this will work. Not because Ben Reilly is a poor character, but because he's a character who has the same powers as Spider-Man.

If they do bring Ben Reilly back, they beter NOT give him the same powers as Peter Faker Parker.

I do not ant Ben with Bone Claws.

Plus if people complain about Peter not being unique because if Ben is around, He's not, he doesnt have the Mystical Aspect of Spidey, so now they both can exist simutaneously and they are now both unique.

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[Lt. Figgnuts]

Plus if people complain about Peter not being unique because if Ben is around, He's not, he doesnt have the Mystical Aspect of Spidey, so now they both can exist simutaneously and they are now both unique.

The entire mystical aspect of Spider-Man stems from the idea that the spider-bite was not an accident, but rather something fated to happen. Everything branches from that.

If this is true of Peter, it's true of Ben by default.

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

The entire mystical aspect of Spider-Man stems from the idea that the spider-bite was not an accident, but rather something fated to happen. Everything branches from that.

If this is true of Peter, it's true of Ben by default.

No, I refuse to believe that.
And I'm pretty sure no one else wants to see Ben with this "up-grade"

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

No, I refuse to believe that.
And I'm pretty sure no one else wants to see Ben with this "up-grade"

I won't deny that. I don't think anybody wants to see Peter with the upgrade. I'm not saying he should have super-spider-sense or skewers. Just that, well, everything mystical stems from Peter's origin - that was the whole point of JMS' first arc on Amazing Spider-Man. Peter and Ben have the exact same origin, because Ben is a clone with most of the memories and experiences of Peter for most of his life. If Peter's origin is mystical, so is Ben's. 'Nuff said.

 

[Venom Drool]

back to basics.
no mystics.. as interesting as it is.. it gets as annoying as "with great power comes great shut up already"

no new suit. if tweaks are needed, than make the symbol bigger or something. spidey doesn't need damn armour.

peter is not stupid. stop writing him like hes a kid.

get aunt may away from MJ

Make eddie be venom again... *******s...

bring back the old school villans

create new ones the old fashion way. no life altering **** al lthe damn time. how about a guy who wants to rob banks. or take the world over or something? what happened to arcs and storyline's liek THE MASTER FREKIN PLANNER? no one saw that one comming.

how about genuine mystery?

how bout no 'in the future stuff'.

weve seen so many new and exciting things that it is no longer new and exciting. NA is cool.. adds a certain flavour to the spidey books, but thats probably the only thing i can stomach. only because we all know it can't last forever. but this rebirth stuff? it reads well for thre first 3 issues or so. but they always manage to dissapoint.

oh.. and bring Eddie Brock back...

 

[Eye Doc]

Both of these ideas suck if the spider crew is really trying to write MJ out of the book. That said, if they do get rid of her, I'd rather have MJ killed off. Marvel has buthered far too many chracters in the last 10 years. If MJ died with dignity I could except it.

I've never considered MJ an "essential" part of Spider-Man. She really doesn't have to be there to tell good Spider-Man stories. Furthermore, she really hasn't been well written in years. Outside of Stan Lee, most writers have failed to give her any personality and she really hasn't added a lot to the series. I would love to see Jeph Loeb's take on her after reading Spider-Man: Blue, but it looks like she might be gone when he and Campbell show up next year.

If you guys "HAD" to pick between MJ dying and MJ cheating on Peter, which would you prefer?

Eye Doc

Kind of bummed out b/c Marvel really blew it with the Parker Marriage.

 

[Source]

Both of these ideas suck if the spider crew is really trying to write MJ out of the book. That said, if they do get rid of her, I'd rather have MJ killed off. Marvel has buthered far too many chracters in the last 10 years. If MJ died with dignity I could except it.

I've never considered MJ an "essential" part of Spider-Man. She really doesn't have to be there to tell good Spider-Man stories. Furthermore, she really hasn't been well written in years. Outside of Stan Lee, most writers have failed to give her any personality and she really hasn't added a lot to the series I would love to see Jeph Loeb's take on her after reading Spider-Man: Blue, but it looks like she might be gone when he and Campbell show up next year.

If you guys "HAD" to pick between MJ dying and MJ cheating on Peter, which would you prefer?

Eye Doc

Kind of bummed out b/c Marvel really blew it with the Parker Marriage.

Not essential??!!....She is the single most character besides Peter Parker that has a history and her character fully flushed out and developed.....Not Essential!....She is important...without her...we will go back to the days of Spidey just fighting a new bad guy each week with the same results....bad guy shows up...they fight..badguy surprises Spidey...Spidey runs..figures way to defeat villian..goes back and defeats villian...now take that and repeat it for every issue from summer 2007 on....Oh Joy!!.....Not essential my ass!....I admit they could handle it differently but Spidey is geting older..why is his marriage a problem?...Do we really want a future of Spidey being a 50 year old guy hitting on young woman in hopes of finding someone?

 

[Mara Jane]

I'd rather she die from cancer or some disease. There's nothing Pete can do about that; he can't save her like he could from a villain. It's somewhat different from Gwen's death and yet it still has meaning. Sometimes Pete can't save people and he'd have to accept that. It would be overwhelmingly sad for a while, but I'd take that any day over having MJ be a cheater.

Incidentally, if MJ does cheat, Pete would be a hypocrite for dumping her and not trying to work things out, because he sure as heck quickly forgave Gwen for cheating on him. There isn't even a hint of lingering bitterness, and there should be, IMO.

 

[Dragon]

Both of these ideas suck if the spider crew is really trying to write MJ out of the book. That said, if they do get rid of her, I'd rather have MJ killed off. Marvel has buthered far too many chracters in the last 10 years. If MJ died with dignity I could except it.

I've never considered MJ an "essential" part of Spider-Man. She really doesn't have to be there to tell good Spider-Man stories. Furthermore, she really hasn't been well written in years. Outside of Stan Lee, most writers have failed to give her any personality and she really hasn't added a lot to the series I would love to see Jeph Loeb's take on her after reading Spider-Man: Blue, but it looks like she might be gone when he and Campbell show up next year.

If you guys "HAD" to pick between MJ dying and MJ cheating on Peter, which would you prefer?

Eye Doc

Kind of bummed out b/c Marvel really blew it with the Parker Marriage.

I agree with all that you say. To a point, I'm actually looking forward to them ending the marriage. Not for Joe Q's reasons. I think he's a moron.

But for two reasons:

1. Marvel's writers really aren't skilled enough handle a marriage. It's either soap opera or non-existent.

2. I'm tired of this attitude of Spider-man is nothing iwthout MJ". Nonsense. His best stories didn't involve MJ. She not in anyway essential to who he is. If he could survive without Gwen, if he can survive without Aunt May, he can survive without MJ.

The only problem is that because Marvel is only getting rid of MJ because they suck, Spidey comics I'm sure will continue to suck with or without her.

 

[Dragon]

I'd rather she die from cancer or some disease. There's nothing Pete can do about that; he can't save her like he could from a villain. It's somewhat different from Gwen's death and yet it still has meaning. Sometimes Pete can't save people and he'd have to accept that. It would be overwhelmingly sad for a while, but I'd take that any day over having MJ be a cheater.

Incidentally, if MJ does cheat, Pete would be a hypocrite for dumping her and not trying to work things out, because he sure as heck quickly forgave Gwen for cheating on him. There isn't even a hint of lingering bitterness, and there should be, IMO.

I agree with this as well. It would be far more powerful if MJ died from something Peter was powerless to stop.

But as far as his being hypocritical about the cheating, I both agree and disagree. I agree that Peter should have been angry at Gwen. The way JMS had him immediately forgive her was ridiculous. But at the same time, Peter's being angry at MJ enough to break-up isn't really hypocritical. We don't know, but most likely Peter (The REAL Peter that is) would have dumped Gwen if she cheated on him. And further, Peter forgiving herr, just because she's dead and there's no point in festering anger, isn't the same as his wife cheating when they're still together.

 

[Effect]

I'm not sure if Marvel writers weren't skilled enough to handle the marriage. I think there should have been a lot more thought put into it. From what I've heard the only reason the two were married in the first place was due to Stan Lee marrying them in his comic strip and they did it just to keep continuity. Who knows what they originally wanted to do with Peter and MJ. Now it seems they are trying to undo what they did.

Who's to say that Marvel originally didn't want them to be married or they might have broken up later on and they introduce someone else? The whole reason for them being married seems like it could have been the whole starting point of this problem, epsecially since I've heard that even back then writers were split on the marrying issue. So it doesn't seem like it's a new thing by Marvel trying to break up the marriage again. They just have to risk the backlash that will come with it and push through it instead of getting cold feet and undoing their actions again.

 

[shinlyle]

I'm against them ending the marriage....especially for Joey Q'a reasons.

Still, I will respond and say that if they have to end the marriage in some way, then they shoudl have MJ pass away from a terminal disease that in no way, shape, or form came from anything Spider-Man related. It should be some form of cancer or something that causes her to die. Make her suffer from a mental disease that causes her to spiral out of control and take her own life. Something.

If they did this, then, as pissed off as I would be at Marvel for, once again, failing to move a character forward in his life, I could eventually accept it and move on...so long as it isn't written by JMS. He's done enough damage. Somethign like this would probably drive fans over the edge and he would end up being strung up from an overpass by a rope painted to look like webbing.

Just saying....

The fact that the writers in Marvel's stable cannot write the Peter/MJ marriage any better than they have is just shameful. It's not that complicated. Make them bicker & b****, and then have them make up. Show that they realize that they are going to have disagreements and difficulties, and make it seem a little stenuous from time to time, but have them work it out. You don't have to handle it like a soap opera by having one of them wonder what the other is doing all day. I work a day job....so does my wife. We don't get home and then the whole thing turns into "The Young & The Restless" or anything. Neither should they. Wasn't MJ in a play? What the hell happened to that?! Doesn't she have a JOB?! What about Peter?!

Ugh....Now I remember why I've dropped all of the 616 Spider-Man books except for Sensational....they suck, that's why.

 

[shinlyle]

I'm not sure if Marvel writers weren't skilled enough to handle the marriage. I think there should have been a lot more thought put into it. From what I've heard the only reason the two were married in the first place was due to Stan Lee marrying them in his comic strip and they did it just to keep continuity. Who knows what they originally wanted to do with Peter and MJ. Now it seems they are trying to undo what they did.

Who's to say that Marvel originally didn't want them to be married or they might have broken up later on and they introduce someone else? The whole reason for them being married seems like it could have been the whole starting point of this problem, epsecially since I've heard that even back then writers were split on the marrying issue. So it doesn't seem like it's a new thing by Marvel trying to break up the marriage again. They just have to risk the backlash that will come with it and push through it instead of getting cold feet and undoing their actions again.

Dude, it's Marvel. All they know what to do with Spidey as of late is to change him completely, then undo it. Now they're going to change everythign done under the old regime as well. Asses....

 

[Dragon]

If they can't get it right after twenty years, they don't know how to write a marriage. And I mean ANY marriage.

I think comic book writers are so used to long build-up and spectacular finish, that they don't know how to keep something like this going on a long term basis.

What they should do is come up with like, yearly subplots for the marriage. Some parts can be superhero stuff, some just mundane crap like keeping the mortage on the house up. Whatever. But like everything else, there needs to be character development. Not just the same circles continuing.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Somethign like this would probably drive fans over the edge and he would end up being strung up from an overpass by a rope painted to look like webbing.

Don't forget the costume...

http://spidercide.ytmnd.com/

 

[Eye Doc]

Not essential??!!....She is the single most character besides Peter Parker that has a history and her character fully flushed out and developed.....Not Essential!....She is important...without her...we will go back to the days of Spidey just fighting a new bad guy each week with the same results....bad guy shows up...they fight..badguy surprises Spidey...Spidey runs..figures way to defeat villian..goes back and defeats villian...now take that and repeat it for every issue from summer 2007 on....Oh Joy!!.....Not essential my ass!....I admit they could handle it differently but Spidey is geting older..why is his marriage a problem?...Do we really want a future of Spidey being a 50 year old guy hitting on young woman in hopes of finding someone?

Although I like MJ as a character, she isn't essential to the Spider-Man mythos. Spider-Man flourished for 25 years without him being married to her. If you go back and read the the Lee/Ditko books, you'll see that the book didn't suffer from MJ not being there.

When she was introduced in the mid 60's, she was just a supporting character. Even then she didn't show up every issue. If Stan had written her out of the series during the books "heyday" would it have hurt the series? I don't think so.

After Gwen died, Pete and MJ hooked up. The dated for several yrs. but they broke up. Sales didn't go down and the book kept moving on. There were some good stories between 180 or so thru 236. The book didn't suffer from MJ not being there.

If you're honest, most of Spidey's classic stories occured before he married MJ. I like the character for what she was (and for what she could've been). Despite that fact, no love interest is "essential" to Spider-Man: be it Betty, Gwen, MJ, Felicia, or whoever the writers inevitably stick Peter with in the future.

Eye Doc

 

[shinlyle]

Don't forget the costume...

http://spidercide.ytmnd.com/

I just need to photoshop a 1969 Camaro on the bridge with me laughing my ass off.....not that I'd ever kill anyone...!!!!

 

[Dragon]

Not essential??!!....She is the single most character besides Peter Parker that has a history and her character fully flushed out and developed.....Not Essential!....She is important...without her...we will go back to the days of Spidey just fighting a new bad guy each week with the same results....bad guy shows up...they fight..badguy surprises Spidey...Spidey runs..figures way to defeat villian..goes back and defeats villian...now take that and repeat it for every issue from summer 2007 on....Oh Joy!!.....Not essential my ass!....I admit they could handle it differently but Spidey is geting older..why is his marriage a problem?...Do we really want a future of Spidey being a 50 year old guy hitting on young woman in hopes of finding someone?

We will NEVER EVER see a 50 year old Peter Parker. He shouldn't age past this point, his late 20's-early 30's.

 

[shinlyle]

If they can't get it right after twenty years, they don't know how to write a marriage. And I mean ANY marriage.

I think comic book writers are so used to long build-up and spectacular finish, that they don't know how to keep something like this going on a long term basis.

What they should do is come up with like, yearly subplots for the marriage. Some parts can be superhero stuff, some just mundane crap like keeping the mortage on the house up. Whatever. But like everything else, there needs to be character development. Not just the same circles continuing.

Very true. The sad thing is, they look at the marriage as the "ending". This is where Peter's story should "end". I've only been married for 2 years now, but dammit, I'd hate to think of my marriage being the end of anything.....aside from the pain in the ass of dating the most backwards women on the planet.

I mean, anyone who is married can tell you that there are layers upon layers of things that happen to you once you begin sharing your life with another person. Hell, just handling a joint checking account is more interesting than what Marvel has doen witht he marriage thus far. They could show them having to deal with finances, housing, job security, pizza delivery guys running late, etc. So long as they actually featured them working together as a team on some issue, it would be an improvement!!!

Show them at odds on little things. You want to see a married moment, have Peter come in from web-slinging, eat some supper, and then argue with MJ over whose turn it is to do the dishes. Petty little arguments and the like are always a part of a marriage. Have Peter deal with Mj leaving lights on in a room after she leaves, have MJ talking about how Peter doesn't listen to her ramble on, and then have it be because Peter had a pumpkin bomb go off three inches from his face! These little things would provide with some simple entertainment, and would really flesh out the marriage, as well as MJ's character....hell, have her going out to the club one night when Peter's out fighting, he gets his ass kicked, barely beats the baddie, then goes home to MJ, who had been waiting in some slinky lingerie for her man, who feels nothing like making love, seeing as how he's just been slammed through a building!

It's not hard to write a marriage! Marvel just makes it harder than it had to be. Dragon's right about one thing: If they haven't gotten it right after 20 years, they aren't going to get it right.

 

[Dragon]

Very true. The sad thing is, they look at the marriage as the "ending". This is where Peter's story should "end". I've only been married for 2 years now, but dammit, I'd hate to think of my marriage being the end of anything.....aside from the pain in the ass of dating the most backwards women on the planet.

I mean, anyone who is married can tell you that there are layers upon layers of things that happen to you once you begin sharing your life with another person. Hell, just handling a joint checking account is more interesting than what Marvel has doen witht he marriage thus far. They could show them having to deal with finances, housing, job security, pizza delivery guys running late, etc. So long as they actually featured them working together as a team on some issue, it would be an improvement!!!

Show them at odds on little things. You want to see a married moment, have Peter come in from web-slinging, eat some supper, and then argue with MJ over whose turn it is to do the dishes. Petty little arguments and the like are always a part of a marriage. Have Peter deal with Mj leaving lights on in a room after she leaves, have MJ talking about how Peter doesn't listen to her ramble on, and then have it be because Peter had a pumpkin bomb go off three inches from his face! These little things would provide with some simple entertainment, and would really flesh out the marriage, as well as MJ's character....hell, have her going out to the club one night when Peter's out fighting, he gets his ass kicked, barely beats the baddie, then goes home to MJ, who had been waiting in some slinky lingerie for her man, who feels nothing like making love, seeing as how he's just been slammed through a building!

It's not hard to write a marriage! Marvel just makes it harder than it had to be. Dragon's right about one thing: If they haven't gotten it right after 20 years, they aren't going to get it right.

Those are great ideas. Right. Have the big events in their lives set against silly little things like MJ shrinking his spidey suit in the wash or bleaching it and its sky blue and pink.

 

[shinlyle]

Those are great ideas. Right. Have the big events in their lives set against silly little things like MJ shrinking his spidey suit in the wash or bleaching it and its sky blue and pink.

i can't tell if you're being serious or not....

Still, I just think that little things like that really bring out the true nature of the individuals involved in a relationship. Alot of couples do nothing but fight, yet they are incredibly happy with each other when it gets down to it. Some couples are completely miserable, yet they put on a mask for everyone else.

Then you have the young couples who can't do anything but laugh. They sit around and do the important stuff, but when they sit down together, they just laugh at everything and how minuscule it is in comparison to the big picture. That's what Peter and MJ should be. They've seen people who wear living suits and people who can turnt into sand, and they've even had dinner with Captain America....thet should sweat the small suff, and then laugh about how petty it all is. Just my thoughts.

 

[Effect]

I'm not really sure if MJ is all that essential. She's an important part of his life yes but I think someone like Aunt May is far more essential to have around for Peter due to their closer relation.

Question, in any of the other Marvel relationships, does anyone else constantly shown thinking just how much they love their wife or signifcant other and how lucky they are to have them? Peter seems, from recent issues I've read, does that a lot for some reason. As if the writers are trying to hammer the point that Peter loves MJ.

As if they can't show it, they have to tell readers?

Anyone know why this is?