The Amazing Spider-Man "SPIDER-MAN 4 Production on Indefinite Hold "....NOT!...or Maybe?

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Yea but weren't at least one of the scripts written before sam was officially on board?And didn't Sam not like the villains chosen so they started a new draft?
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Perhaps, but again the studio does not just let the director decide to write a new script and not tell them what will be in it until 3 or 4 months before the film is to shoot and while the casting process has also been started. If there is an issue, it won't be because of the villain. The villain would have been decided a long time ago and the general feeling of rumours is that the inclusion of the Vulture is seen as a positive thing for Sony because of the perceived fascination with technology-orientated action films these days.

Ok, an really old geezer who flies. It's not just about the age of the character. He's a lame villain if you compare him with the other characters we've gotten so far.
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And the Green Goblin is a guy in a goblin-themed suit. Doc Ock is a fat guy with metal arms strapped onto his back. The Joker is a guy who dresses like a clown. Two-Face is a guy who has half a burnt face. Spider-man is a nerdy guy dressed in red and blue spider-themed tights. All these character's sound pathetic when reduced to their gimmicks. What you should be saying is that it's a villain, potentially played by John Malkovich and being scripted by a Pullitzer prize winning writer, as well as other very talented, notable screenwriters. Doesn't sound too bad to me.

Really, this is Venom all over again. You can't hate on the film simply because the villain people want isn't getting up on screen. If it were a character like that 'Morlun' guy (as was once rumoured briefly), I could understand. But this is a classic Spider-man villain of which all CERTAIN facts point towards getting good treatment on screen, and most rumours point to getting a great villain as well.

A character is only as good as the imagination behind them.
 
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Only yesterday imdb added two name on the crew. One added from myself only two days ago. That's impossible.
 
venom892 said:
Yea cam's ideas weren't all the great but what does that have to do with this?:huh:
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Its just that we criticise Raimi. If Cameron had made that years ago,he would be dead by now,lol. Raimi isnt all that bad when you compare him to Camerons ideas and he is one of the greatest directors and writers,a Spider-Man fan and even he sucked much worse than Sam. Im going to lay of Sam until I know for sure whats going on.

(I still cant forgive him for making Spider-Man 3 as camp as Christopher Biggins though)
 
I don't think this rumors are true.
You have an incomplete script and the casting start?

It's so stupid.
 
Is it me, or is iesb.net a weird site? Usually nothing happens over there besides some good rumors once in a while.
 
Carlo might be right. I mean it seems to me that the studio and Raimi would have clashed upon the new villains' identity might earlier during pre-production (they did rewrite the script like 3 times! I can't believe that each draft had a different villain) and IESB have not been the most reliable source of information lately. Remember their exclusive story about the new Superman movie being fast tracked and the Wachowski Bros producing with James McTiegue. I mean we all know that WB have no plan to start production on another Superman film for the moment.
 
TheScarecrow said:
Perhaps, but again the studio does not just let the director decide to write a new script and not tell them what will be in it until 3 or 4 months before the film is to shoot and while the casting process has also been started. If there is an issue, it won't be because of the villain. The villain would have been decided a long time ago and the general feeling of rumours is that the inclusion of the Vulture is seen as a positive thing for Sony because of the perceived fascination with technology-orientated action films these days.



And the Green Goblin is a guy in a goblin-themed suit. Doc Ock is a fat guy with metal arms strapped onto his back. The Joker is a guy who dresses like a clown. Two-Face is a guy who has half a burnt face. Spider-man is a nerdy guy dressed in red and blue spider-themed tights. All these character's sound pathetic when reduced to their gimmicks. What you should be saying is that it's a villain, potentially played by John Malkovich and being scripted by a Pullitzer prize winning writer, as well as other very talented, notable screenwriters. Doesn't sound too bad to me.

Really, this is Venom all over again. You can't hate on the film simply because the villain people want isn't getting up on screen. If it were a character like that 'Morlun' guy (as was once rumoured briefly), I could understand. But this is a classic Spider-man villain of which all CERTAIN facts point towards getting good treatment on screen, and most rumours point to getting a great villain as well.

A character is only as good as the imagination behind them.
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that's all well and good but should the director choose a villian that gets the fans excited?

that's like nolan going with c list baddie for TDK2 rather than riddler or penguin (or another a lister)

maybe sam can do great things with a rubbish villian but here's an idea, why not do great things with a GREAT villian, especially he HIMSELF has developed.
 
I don't know what to make of all the swirling rumors on villains, but this conflict ain't good at all. This is what leads to rushed and/or unsatisfying crap on the screen.
Oh, and the film is known as SPIDER-M4N within the production offices
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Please don't let this stick. :dry:
 
This could be BS. I have noticed that IESB has taken a nosedive lately with their news. They never have scoops any more or any real news. I really wonder why they bother with the site, as I think the guys that run are trying to make movies now. In fact they have two in process, I Frankenstein and some Luchidor thing. They have not been reliable for some time, or at least since the whole JLA fiasco.
I just hope Raimi does not use the Vultress, that would be horrible. I'm okay with a Malchovich played Vulture, but would much prefer the Lizard and Kraven.
 
TheScarecrow said:
And the Green Goblin is a guy in a goblin-themed suit. Doc Ock is a fat guy with metal arms strapped onto his back. The Joker is a guy who dresses like a clown. Two-Face is a guy who has half a burnt face. Spider-man is a nerdy guy dressed in red and blue spider-themed tights. All these character's sound pathetic when reduced to their gimmicks. What you should be saying is that it's a villain, potentially played by John Malkovich and being scripted by a Pullitzer prize winning writer, as well as other very talented, notable screenwriters. Doesn't sound too bad to me.

Really, this is Venom all over again. You can't hate on the film simply because the villain people want isn't getting up on screen. If it were a character like that 'Morlun' guy (as was once rumoured briefly), I could understand. But this is a classic Spider-man villain of which all CERTAIN facts point towards getting good treatment on screen, and most rumours point to getting a great villain as well.

A character is only as good as the imagination behind them.
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But what does Vulture really offer? Come on, tell me. What else is he other than being a super thug? The Green Goblin was power hungry, and as Norman Osborn treated Peter like a son. Ock's mad quest to complete his invention, threatened to destroy the city. Joker, was slowly plunging the city into a state of Anarchy, Two-Face was one of Bruce's friends and a symbol for Gotham, but he went mad.

Vulture is no main villain material. He works as a secondary villain.
 
darthhalen said:
This could be BS. I have noticed that IESB has taken a nosedive lately with their news. They never have scoops any more or any real news. I really wonder why they bother with the site, as I think the guys that run are trying to make movies now. In fact they have two in process, I Frankenstein and some Luchidor thing. They have not been reliable for some time, or at least since the whole JLA fiasco.
I just hope Raimi does not use the Vultress, that would be horrible. I'm okay with a Malchovich played Vulture, but would much prefer the Lizard and Kraven.
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Yeah, I hear.

Like what someone said before, they had rumors about Superman being fasttracked and nothing came from it. In fact, WB and DC said that the project isn't going anywhere.

You're right though. Robert Sanchez is busy with filmmaking now that the site has gone down a notch in quality. I'm not going to attack iesb.net because I don't want to see it fail but I think they need to step it up. Maybe hire some new writers over there with personality. As much as I don't like some of the writers at latinoreview, at least they have a voice.
 
Veracity of this news aside, I can probably hang up my Lizard/Kraven hopes for S-M 4. ****.
 
Nathan said:
But what does Vulture really offer? Come on, tell me. What else is he other than being a super thug? The Green Goblin was power hungry, and as Norman Osborn treated Peter like a son. Ock's mad quest to complete his invention, threatened to destroy the city. Joker, was slowly plunging the city into a state of Anarchy, Two-Face was one of Bruce's friends and a symbol for Gotham, but he went mad.

Vulture is no main villain material. He works as a secondary villain.
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Regardless what you think of Vulture (personally, I don't think too much of him), I do think that maybe Sony should lay off the micro-managment. The article is making it as if (key word...if)Sony is pulling a Fox. Besides, it didn't help them with Spidey 3.
 
Yeah, I still check the site a lot but not like I used to. They just flat out do not have any real news anymore. Don't mean to rip them, it's just a fact. I hope they can step it up. Although I'm also hoping they are wrong about this rumor. I really want to see SM4 in 2011, just not with some made up villian like the Vultress.
 
Mister J said:
Veracity of this news aside, I can probably hang up my Lizard/Kraven hopes for S-M 4. ****.
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That's what I don't understand if the rumor is true.

Sony doesn't want Vulture but they don't know who they want. So they have no clue what to do, and they want Raimi to abide to their command. That makes no sense!
 
Several things we need to all think about:

-EVERYBODY involved wrote themselves into a hole villainwise. I believe part of the reasons Venom was crammed into the third film by Sony, Avi Arad etc. is because they probably believed this would be the final spidey film with Maguire, Raimi, etc, and wanted to go out with a bang. I don't think they really thought we'd get another spidey film WITH the same cast/crew intact figuring we'd be going the relaunch root in a few years. The smarter move would've been to use Vulture instead of Venom in part 3 and just have Peter have the black suit in the third film and Venom would appear now. I also think they could've used Lizard instead of Vulture in the third film and he would've worked just as well. All of this is reflective of a bigger problem with Spider-man and his world though...

-After Green Goblin, Doc Ock, and Venom, there are NO spider-man villains POPULAR enough to carry a film alone. None. Many of us here are comic fans. WE like Mysterio, Kraven, Lizard, etc. but regular folks...don't. Heck even those that like them don't think they can carry their own flick. Sandman got in because he was flanked by another Goblin and Venom. If he was alone, the same debate would've erupted about him. Compared to Batman or even the X-men, Spidey has a weak villains gallery.

-The script is probably a loose mishmash right now. I'm sure there are some very detailed scenes completed where Peter and MJ have a conversation, Aunt May gives advice, Slapstick with James and the Bugle staff, etc. The rest of it is all fill in the blank stuff probably like "Peter/MJ argue in a mall and are interuptted by new villain. Villain and Spidey fight in the mall during an big setpiece". In fact, although they knew they were going with Doc Ock for part 2, didn't they have the train fight all mapped out before the script was even done? Some of you think the script can't possbily be incomplete but I think it's more likely that it's not a final draft they're working with and if things are this heated there may not BE a final draft and some things maybe changed on the fly more than usual.
 
:lmao:

Keep Vulture, drop Vultur-ess and introduce The Lizard.

Spider-Man 4: Deadly Creatures. Has a nice ring to it...
 
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