A moderator doesn't have to get involved with harryoscop, he's not attacking anyone or trolling. He however has been ridiculed numerous times for his rants about NuSpider-Man. I don't see the issue, if you don't like what he has to say you may simply ignore him, or even put him on ignore. As far as I know, speculation regarding MCU characters is fair game, be it positive or negative.
Agreed I've had my fair share of arguments with harry but he has the right to post his opinion, that and I'm also tired of people acting defensive towards ANY sort of skepticism. There's people who seem to ONLY post to knock down people's concerns about the movie.
Occam's razor, dude. In EVERY Major Spider-man media adaptation that's referenced his origin, they've never gone the curvball route with Ben's ties to Peter. Either he's referenced, or it's implied, but it's never changed. I'd give you this point if it were the first and only Spidey appearance in cinema, but it's the THIRD movie franchise in less than a decade dealing with Spider-man intimately and the past two go for a combined 5 movies.
Spider-man is internationally known and beloved by people who don't even read comics. Uncle Ben is a corner stone of popculture references. There's a reason why that one gif of Spidey in the supermarket crying over a box of Uncle Ben's rice is an iconic meme -- Everyone knows it.
He's one of the most popular and successful geniuses of the modern age, a billionaire, and in their world the first modern super hero. The tech connection alone would get a fellow inventor excited, but then throw in that Tony knows Spidey's deepest and pivotal secret, but isn't going to expose it, he's going to nurture it and encourage him to be able to do more.
You're telling me if a celebrity, writer, person you greatly admired from a far took a personal interest in you, you wouldn't be over the moon? It's a dream come true for a young teenager to be that recognized. It's a dream for anyone to be recognized in that way.
He never shows that he learns responsibility from Tony. He's already got it, and being excited by Tony isn't him replacing Ben. He's happy and excited, not turning over picture frames and worshiping at his tech altar.
She was charmed sure. It's similar to what I said above for Pete. A meteor of charm is in her living room and showing interest in her, she's happy and excited. She's not screaming that she wants a date, she's not making coy references that she's available.
Occam's razor, dude. In EVERY Major Spider-man media adaptation that's referenced his origin, they've never gone the curvball route with Ben's ties to Peter. Either he's referenced, or it's implied, but it's never changed. I'd give you this point if it were the first and only Spidey appearance in cinema, but it's the THIRD movie franchise in less than a decade dealing with Spider-man intimately and the past two go for a combined 5 movies.
Spider-man is internationally known and beloved by people who don't even read comics. Uncle Ben is a corner stone of popculture references. There's a reason why that one gif of Spidey in the supermarket crying over a box of Uncle Ben's rice is an iconic meme -- Everyone knows it.
He's one of the most popular and successful geniuses of the modern age, a billionaire, and in their world the first modern super hero. The tech connection alone would get a fellow inventor excited, but then throw in that Tony knows Spidey's deepest and pivotal secret, but isn't going to expose it, he's going to nurture it and encourage him to be able to do more.
You're telling me if a celebrity, writer, person you greatly admired from a far took a personal interest in you, you wouldn't be over the moon? It's a dream come true for a young teenager to be that recognized. It's a dream for anyone to be recognized in that way.
He never shows that he learns responsibility from Tony. He's already got it, and being excited by Tony isn't him replacing Ben. He's happy and excited, not turning over picture frames and worshiping at his tech altar.
She was charmed sure. It's similar to what I said above for Pete. A meteor of charm is in her living room and showing interest in her, she's happy and excited. She's not screaming that she wants a date, she's not making coy references that she's available.
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Well, Feige, Watts ad everybody have been adamant they want to avoid Peter's origin story so not unfounded. I didn't come to this conclusion because I want to complain
It's completely unfounded. I and others have exhaustively pointed out exactly how. You came to this conclusion because you are flighty, irrational, and upset that you aren't getting the Spider-man movie you've already concocted in your head.
Uhhhhh, because they've been forcing it down our throats? Peter practically idolizes Stark. He gets his tech from Stark. He gets advice from Stark. He's clearly playing the father figure in his life right now
Prove to me that Peter is looking for a father figure in Tony and that, because of this, it negates Ben's impact on Peter. That was your original claim. Prove it with evidence. We all know you can't.
Just for the record, you've gone from "Aunt May was flirting with Tony which throws Ben's existence into question and makes Tony look like a replacement for Uncle Ben" to "it's odd that Marisa and Robert were in a movie together before this"
Agreed I've had my fair share of arguments with harry but he has the right to post his opinion, that and I'm also tired of people acting defensive towards ANY sort of skepticism. There's people who seem to ONLY post to knock down people's concerns about the movie.
I don't see anyone in here acting defensive against any and all skepticism, it's the blatantly incorrect nonsense from harry in particular (uncle Ben doesn't exist!) that draws such ire.
Agreed I've had my fair share of arguments with harry but he has the right to post his opinion, that and I'm also tired of people acting defensive towards ANY sort of skepticism. There's people who seem to ONLY post to knock down people's concerns about the movie.
Tom said there's going to be a part of the movie where Ganke hacks into Spidey's suit to see all of the things Tony put into it. Sigh.. I wish he wasn't so involved in the plot.
It's completely unfounded. I and others have exhaustively pointed out exactly how. You came to this conclusion because you are flighty, irrational, and upset that you aren't getting the Spider-man movie you've already concocted in your head.
Technically you're right. However, the movie I 'concocted' was based on everything Feige was described in his version of Spider-Man back in February 2015. Yes, I'm disappointed that the movie isn't what I thought it would be. No beating around the bush there.
Prove to me that Peter is looking for a father figure in Tony and that, because of this, it negates Ben's impact on Peter. That was your original claim. Prove it with evidence. We all know you can't.
You're kidding, right? The way Peter acts around Stark and his heavy involvement in Peter's growth is one of the most hotly debated aspects of this new Spider-Man among fans. He is definitively looking for attention from Stark. What do you think the word "mentor' means? parental figure, obviously.
Just for the record, you've gone from "Aunt May was flirting with Tony which throws Ben's existence into question and makes Tony look like a replacement for Uncle Ben" to "it's odd that Marisa and Robert were in a movie together before this"
Btw, Just because Uncle Ben existed before does not necessarily negate the possibility of Stark filling those shoes in Peter's life. It's been confirmed countless times Stark is his mentor figure. And yes, it is suspicious that Marisa Tomei & Downey Jr. starred in films before as lovers. I think there was an ulterior motive for her casting as Aunt May which concerns him (which is why I'm unfortunately not excited for her May anymore because I was when it was announced). There's also the fact that they randomly broke him and Pepper up in Civil War.
Agreed I've had my fair share of arguments with harry but he has the right to post his opinion, that and I'm also tired of people acting defensive towards ANY sort of skepticism. There's people who seem to ONLY post to knock down people's concerns about the movie.
Technically you're right. However, the movie I 'concocted' was based on everything Feige was described in his version of Spider-Man back in February 2015. Yes, I'm disappointed that the movie isn't what I thought it would be. No beating around the bush there.
Yes, and this has bubbled over into you blindly bashing the movie at every opportunity, like claiming that Uncle Ben doesn't even exist and has no affect on Peter. No one who is thinking rationally would have ever come to that conclusion, yet you've been saying as much for weeks.
You're kidding, right? The way Peter acts around Stark and his heavy involvement in Peter's growth is one of the most hotly debated aspects of this new Spider-Man among fans. He is definitively looking for attention from Stark. What do you think the word "mentor' means? parental figure, obviously.
Read my post again, Harry. Carefully. I asked you to prove how Peter's so-called "obsession" with Tony Stark negates Ben's influence on him. That was your original point, and where this particular line of debate started. Still waiting on that proof.
But while we're on this, let's look up the word "mentor".
"An experienced and trusted adviser; advise or train (someone, especially a younger colleague)."
Hmmm, nothing in there about playing "father figure". Actually, the word "colleague" implies "co-worker", which we all know isn't a word typically used in regards to any sort of familial relationship so.... yeah, you're wrong Harry. "Mentor" doesn't mean "parental figure".
You've gone from "Uncle Ben doesn't exist and Tony will be taking his place!" to "Okay fine Uncle Ben exists but Tony could still take his place!"
And yes, it is suspicious that Marisa Tomei & Downey Jr. starred in films before as lovers.
I think there was an ulterior motive for her casting as Aunt May which concerns him (which is why I'm unfortunately not excited for her May anymore because I was when it was announced).
You've gone from "Aunt May was flirting with Tony which proves Ben doesn't exist and has no affect on Peter!" to "Marisa Tomei and Downey were in one movie together so that means Tony is going to replace Uncle Ben!"
See how that doesn't add up? Keep flailing and backpedaling
There's also the fact that they randomly broke him and Pepper up in Civil War.
Yes, and this has bubbled over into you blindly bashing the movie at every opportunity, like claiming that Uncle Ben doesn't even exist and has no affect on Peter. No one who is thinking rationally would have ever come to that conclusion, yet you've been saying as much for weeks.
Look at the changes they've made to the mythos as a whole. Look at all of the radical deviations thus far. If there's a possibility that MJ starts out as a introvert, and a frumpy bookworm with a bad attitude-- who's to say Uncle Ben has even existed? It certainly falls in line with the radical decisions they've been making. So it's not me being irrational making things up out of thin-air.
Read my post again, Harry. Carefully. I asked you to prove how Peter's so-called "obsession" with Tony Stark negates Ben's influence on him. That was your original point, and where this particular line of debate started. Still waiting on that proof.
But while we're on this, let's look up the word "mentor".
Hmmm, nothing in there about playing "father figure". Actually, the word "colleague" implies "co-worker", which we all know isn't a word typically used in regards to any sort of familial relationship so.... yeah, you're wrong Harry. "Mentor" doesn't mean "parental figure".
Only problem is, Stark does not fit that description... At all. He's more than just Peter's heroic adviser, he's full-on fatherly figure mode. Giving Peter all of his technology, making moves on his Aunt May, teaming up with him in his suit, giving him hugs etc That goes way beyond the original definition of "mentor'
I "refuse to see it" because you refuse to post it. Post it again because I don't even know what you're referring to.
"Well, for one thing he came as extremely immature in the CW Airport fight. Not caring about the conflict itself, concerning himself with impressing Tony than resolving the fight. Completely out of character for Spider-Man. For another he's more obsessive with the Avengers than his promise to Uncle Ben which I've already shown evidence for."
You've gone from "Uncle Ben doesn't exist and Tony will be taking his place!" to "Okay fine Uncle Ben exists but Tony could still take his place!"
Yep, because I was proven wrong about Uncle Ben's non-existence. I'm advancing the debate now
You've gone from "Aunt May was flirting with Tony which proves Ben doesn't exist and has no affect on Peter!" to "Marisa Tomei and Downey were in one movie together so that means Tony is going to replace Uncle Ben!"
Look at the changes they've made to the mythos as a whole. Look at all of the radical deviations thus far. If there's a possibility that MJ starts out as a introvert, and a frumpy bookworm with a bad attitude-- who's to say Uncle Ben has even existed? It certainly falls in line with the radical decisions they've been making. So it's not me being irrational making things up out of thin-air.
It is you being irrational. Everyone knew that Peter was referencing Ben, save for you who kept insisting that he may not exist. That is about the textbook definition of you being irrational and making things up.
This is not proof, this is yet another hyperbolic opinion based on nothing other than your premature disappointment. I asked for "proof" meaning actual evidence that backs up your argument that Peter befriending Tony somehow negates Ben's influence on him.
Only problem is, Stark does not fit that description... At all. He's more than just Peter's heroic adviser, he's full-on fatherly figure mode. Giving Peter all of his technology,
One exchange and you're saying he's "making the moves"?
Again, let's examine him "making the moves on Aunt May":
Tony: "It's so hard to believe this is someone's Aunt"
May: "We come in all shapes and sizes, you know"
Tony: "This walnut date loaf is exceptional. Can I have five minutes with him?"
May: "Sure."
That's enough to make you say he's in "fatherly-mode"? Wrong.
This might be your worst point yet in an endless series of bad points. Tony wasn't trying to hug him. But even if he was, hugs aren't reserved just for people who are parental figures.
"Well, for one thing he came as extremely immature in the CW Airport fight. Not caring about the conflict itself, concerning himself with impressing Tony than resolving the fight. Completely out of character for Spider-Man. For another he's more obsessive with the Avengers than his promise to Uncle Ben which I've already shown evidence for."
I have asked you three times to show this evidence that he is more obsessed with the Avengers than his promise to Uncle Ben. You have failed to even make an attempt.
I'm not sure what to make of that but Stark didn't seem to be bothered at all by Pepper's absence.
It is you being irrational. Everyone knew that Peter was referencing Ben, save for you who kept insisting that he may not exist. That is about the textbook definition of you being irrational and making things up.
I know he was referencing Ben's death. But that's exactly what it was, a reference. A little nod to the origin. It's literally the same thing as Garfield falling into the wrestling ring in TASM1; just something to acknowledge an iconic part of the lore. That doesn't mean it happened. Fact of the matter is, sir, EVERYBODY involved in this movie have made it their ultimate effort to tell people this is not an origin story, that they're skipping the origin; that we're not going to see the origin. There's a precedence there for them removing Uncle Ben in an effort to make this Spider-Man 'fresh' to people because that's been their idea of mind for every. Creative. Decision. We've. Seen.
This is not proof, this is yet another hyperbolic opinion based on nothing other than your premature disappointment. I asked for "proof" meaning actual evidence that backs up your argument that Peter befriending Tony somehow negates Ben's influence on him.
What do you even define as evidence? I know every change this movie has made to the comics you say is "minor, meaningless, insignificant' etc so I have no clue whatsoever.
Tony gave all the Avengers their technology and suits as stated in Age of Ultron. Is he in fatherly-figure mode there?
That's not the same thing and you know it. Did he also put a GPS tracker on any their suits so he can keep an eye on them?
One exchange and you're saying he's "making the moves"?
Again, let's examine him "making the moves on Aunt May":
Tony: "It's so hard to believe this is someone's Aunt"
May: "We come in all shapes and sizes, you know"
Tony: "This walnut date loaf is exceptional. Can I have five minutes with him?"
May: "Sure."
That's enough to make you say he's in "fatherly-mode"? Wrong.
On planet earth, that's called flirting. Everybody and their mamma knew Tony was making a move on her, why do you think so many people are now shipping them? Why do you think people make so many Stark/May jokes now? They recognize what Marvel was trying to do in that scene.
He's teamed up with every single Avenger in his suit. Is he in fatherly-figure mode there?
Lol, does he team up with Captain America because he can't take down Bucky or Rumlow? Does he team up with Thor because he can't take down Malekith/Loki? Does he team up with Hulk because he can't stop Abomination? Does he team up with Ant-Man, Guardians, Strange because they can't take out Yellow Jacket/Ronan/Kaecillius? NO. So why does Peter need Stark to help him fight the Vulture again?
This might be your worst point yet in an endless series of bad points. Tony wasn't trying to hug him. But even if he was, hugs aren't reserved just for people who are parental figures.
Yeah...No. It was clearly Tony's own, odd way of showing affection to Peter. Why would he need to do that if he wasn't his parental figure?
I have asked you three times to show this evidence that he is more obsessed with the Avengers than his promise to Uncle Ben. You have failed to even make an attempt.
Again, your definition of "evidence' seems to be entirely different from my definition. Read the synopsis, he's tired of being a ground-level hero and wants to save the world. That's a slap in the face to Uncle Ben's legacy. What reason have we been presented that he wants to be an Avenger? Because he think they're cool as ****, that's why. He never said ANYTHING about helping people. "But the avengers save people' and? Spidey is ALREADY saving people just like they are. Think, his motivation for joining is a selfish, trivial one.
At this point I'm suspicious of whether or not you even watched Civil War.
I know he was referencing Ben's death. But that's exactly what it was, a reference. A little nod to the origin. It's literally the same thing as Garfield falling into the wrestling ring in TASM1; just something to acknowledge an iconic part of the lore. That doesn't mean it happened. Fact of the matter is, sir, EVERYBODY involved in this movie have made it their ultimate effort to tell people this is not an origin story, that they're skipping the origin; that we're not going to see the origin. There's a precedence there for them removing Uncle Ben in an effort to make this Spider-Man 'fresh' to people because that's been their idea of mind for every. Creative. Decision. We've. Seen.
Why would he reference something that didn't take place? This makes no sense. You can tell by his performance that he was referencing a specific event that shaped who he was and why he does what he does. This is completely different than Garfield falling into a wrestling ring, as that is merely a wink to the fans and not a reference to something that this iteration of the character had previously done.
I'm not even sure why you're still debating me on this, you were flat out proven wrong several times over.
What do you even define as evidence? I know every change this movie has made to the comics you say is "minor, meaningless, insignificant' etc so I have no clue whatsoever.
"Proof" is using facts/evidence derived from what we know about the movie to support a conclusion. It's a very simple concept. Keep this in mind going forward.
Your argument that Peter being mentored by Tony somehow negates the affect that Uncle Ben had on his life is completely baseless; if you had any real proof, you would have provided some by now. And before you start telling me how him wanting to become an Avenger is a "slap in the face to Ben's legacy", keep reading.
That's not the same thing and you know it. Did he also put a GPS tracker on any their suits so he can keep an eye on them?
It is the same thing. He designs and pays for everyone's suit and tech, including Peter's. How does him putting a tracker in Peter's suit negate that?
On planet earth, that's called flirting. Everybody and their mamma knew Tony was making a move on her, why do you think so many people are now shipping them? Why do you think people make so many Stark/May jokes now? They recognize what Marvel was trying to do in that scene.
Great, let's talk about your nonsensical claim that this one brief exchange between Downey and Aunt May is an indicator that he's going to take Uncle Ben's place. That is such an illogical leap, and the only "proof" you have to "base" this on is that Downey and Marisa were in a movie together once
You're looking at an insignificant character interaction played for laughs and rushing to conclusions.
Lol, does he team up with Captain America because he can't take down Bucky or Rumlow? Does he team up with Thor because he can't take down Malekith/Loki? Does he team up with Hulk because he can't stop Abomination? Does he team up with Ant-Man, Guardians, Strange because they can't take out Yellow Jacket/Ronan/Kaecillius? NO. So why does Peter need Stark to help him fight the Vulture again?
That's your interpretation and it's certainly debatable. But again, are hugs only limited to something parents and children do?
Again, your definition of "evidence' seems to be entirely different from my definition. Read the synopsis, he's tired of being a ground-level hero and wants to save the world. That's a slap in the face to Uncle Ben's legacy. What reason have we been presented that he wants to be an Avenger? Because he think they're cool as ****, that's why. He never said ANYTHING about helping people. "But the avengers save people' and? Spidey is ALREADY saving people just like they are. Think, his motivation for joining is a selfish, trivial one.
This is exactly what I'm talking about, Harry. You don't like the fact that he wants to be an Avenger so you completely twist things in the most illogical way possible.
Him wanting to be an Avenger is not a "slap in the face to Ben's legacy" because Ben's whole message to Peter was to use his powers responsibly and help people. The Avengers are all about using their powers responsibly and helping people on the biggest possible stage. The team has collectively saved everyone on the planet twice. It's completely logical that a street-level hero would want to join this team; it's an unspoken, obvious fact that Peter wants to join the Avengers because he wants to save people. Moreover, him becoming an Avenger would not betray his street-level responsibilities. If you've ever read a comic book or seen an MCU film, you'd know as much; has Iron Man, Captain America, or Thor had a problem thus far going off on their own side adventures outside of the main Avengers films? No? Didn't think so.
This argument is so laughable, it's going right at the top of the list of things you've been wrong about:
- "Spider-man wanting to join the Avengers is a slap in the face to Ben's legacy"
- "Uncle Ben doesn't exist"
- Tony is going to take Uncle Bens place
- Mentor means parental figure
- Spider-man is more obsessed with being an Avenger than saving lives
- "Avi Arad cared about the fans"
- "Peter isn't independent anymore"
- "Spider-man in the comics never wanted to be an Avenger"
Okay, disregarding everything. I don't have a problem with Spidey being an Avenger. I use to regularly read New Avengers comics when I was younger. (I loved them, Spidey & Jarvis being my favorite parts) It's the execution. I don't like that Spidey is begging Tony to be one, I don't like that he can't make a better costume than a red hoodie, goggles and blue sweatpants but my main problem being his needy characterization. If Tony came to Peter (like in CW) everything played out exactly the same only difference being he didn't ask Tony how to fight, he didn't constantly reference Stark & he actually made more than two quips. Was a smartass that made fun of Bucky & Falcon as opposed to praising them, I'd be 100%. on-board with him.
THAT'S the way the Russos described him. Not this childish, immature annoyance he was portrayed as. Stark telling him to shut up and etc
And there were many other times he could've actually interjected some humour into some of his lines instead of either just asking questions or stating who is right or wrong.
For instance, instead of saying "Mr Stark, what should I do?" He could've said "Do you want me to just take minutes of this meeting here, or do you actually want me to do something?" It's partly about the attitude. He says the same thing essentially, but he's less of Stark's puppet.
Or "Guys, look. I’d love to keep this up but I’ve only got one job here today and I gotta impress Mr. Stark, so, I’m really sorry." Again, this is just more evidence of being Stark's puppet. He could've said "Guys, look, I'd love to stay and chat but I've got to make this short and sweet. Homework calls." No mention of impressing Stark.
Or "That thing does not obey the laws of physics at all." Who cares about the laws of physics? Make a frisbee joke or something! Comic Spidey would've done something like that. His opponents might have some sophisticated tech or impressive weapon, but Spidey would reduce it to something simplistic and mundane (like a kid's frisbee instead of a vibranium alloy shield that doesn't obey the laws of physics).
Or this dialogue:
CA: Look kid. There’s a lot going on here that you don’t understand.
SM: Stark said you’d say that. He also said to go for your legs.
CA: Did Stark tell you anything else?
SM: That you’re wrong. You think you’re right. And that makes you dangerous.
More missed opportunities where Spidey is just speaking like a naive boy. It could've gone like this instead:
CA: Look kid. There’s a lot going on here that you don’t understand.
SM: Well, remind me not to skip Civil War history class again. Maybe I'll do better next time. Tell me, do you offer resits?
CA: Did Stark tell you anything?
SM: What am I? Stark's puppet boy?
And his mention of TESB as an old movie just made him seem very green. That wasn't exactly classic comic-book Spidey humour.
Going through each of Spidey's lines in this movie, I don't think he was all that funny. He was certainly more talkative than Tobey Maguire, but still not really humorous. Andrew Garfield's humour was sometimes hit and miss, but at least the attitude was there and there were more amusing lines on the whole.
Okay, disregarding everything. I don't have a problem with Spidey being an Avenger. I use to regularly read New Avengers comics when I was younger. (I loved them, Spidey & Jarvis being my favorite parts) It's the execution. I don't like that Spidey is begging Tony to be one, I don't like that he can't make a better costume than a red hoodie, goggles and blue sweatpants but my main problem being his needy characterization. If Tony came to Peter (like in CW) everything played out exactly the same only difference being he didn't ask Tony how to fight, he didn't constantly reference Stark & he actually made more than two quips. Was a smartass that made fun of Bucky & Falcon as opposed to praising them, I'd be 100%. on-board with him.
And you know what? These are legitimate gripes with what we have seen thus far! I don't agree with them but you are more than entitled to hate those decisions all you want. I'm not going to waste any time debating these points because they are based on actual things we have seen displayed in the movie. It's when you take it several notches too far and argue hyperbolic, illogical nonsense ("Uncle Ben doesn't exist! Him being an Avenger is a slap in the face to Ben's legacy!") based only on your premature anger that I take issue with. You do the latter quite a bit, and this time I was not going to let it go until you understood. I really hope you do, in fact, understand.
lol he not portrayed that way. If he annoying he would be very unpopular in movie and he one of the best parts for most people. You minority harry. And people always tell Spider-Man shut up in comics.
Peter having a father-figure being a disgrace to Uncle Ben is a pretty ridiculous argument, especially since in the comics Peter's had several different father figures in his life who help guide him, and plenty of superhero friends he's looked to for support.
Hell, when Peter and MJ were living at the Avengers tower, Stark was occasionally presented as that kind of figure to an adult married Spider-Man. That older wiser friend he could trust.
Like you could make an argument for Robbie or George Stacy but you don't need to when this wouldn't even be the first time Peter and Tony had a mentor relationship.
Tom said there's going to be a part of the movie where Ganke hacks into Spidey's suit to see all of the things Tony put into it. Sigh.. I wish he wasn't so involved in the plot.
wait, what?!?! when did Tom say that? ugh, it's bad enough Ganke is Peter's best friend in this world but now he's the one to figure out the bells and whistles of the Spidey-Stark suit?
One more thing I'm not happy to hear about, but of course the average movie goer won't care so w/e
wait, what?!?! when did Tom say that? ugh, it's bad enough Ganke is Peter's best friend in this world but now he's the one to figure out the bells and whistles of the Spidey-Stark suit?
One more thing I'm not happy to hear about, but of course the average movie goer won't care so w/e
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I've had my fair share of arguments with harry but he has the right to post his opinion, that and I'm also tired of people acting defensive towards ANY sort of skepticism. There's people who seem to ONLY post to knock down people's concerns about the movie.
On planet earth, that's called flirting. Everybody and their mamma knew Tony was making a move on her, why do you think so many people are now shipping them? Why do you think people make so many Stark/May jokes now? They recognize what Marvel was trying to do in that scene.
