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Yep.

Now there are talks of there being multiple "shockers." My guess is that a bunch of guys use the equipment, but only one of them (Herman Schultz played by Bokeem Woodmine) takes the equipment and becomes THE Shocker.
This. He's probably the final guy to take the equipment hence why we see him punching a bus towards Spidey,

What we saw earlier in the trailer with LMG is probably a prototype hence why they haven't been synthesized into Gauntlets like we later see Schultz wearing.
 
Um, how, though? The fact that he's taking on Vulture and Shocker in the same scene is pretty telling that's it's the final battle, Vulture & Shocker ALREADY have these "upgrades". Plus Peter bleeding in that Ring of fire he's in with Toomes definitively looks like final battle material.

1). He goes back to his old suit to prove to Stark once and for all that he can handle himself, he's Spider-MAN and not Spider-Kid that Stark is trying to groom him into. 2) His first suit gets shredded by the Vulture in their first fight.
It doesn't tho. You see his own suit in CW and it looks fine.
I'm thinking what we see with that one scene where Spidey's thrown into the bus with him catching the car was the fight with Shocker, but, you didn't see Shocker in the CW footage Stark had.
Stark gives him the upgraded costume and the civil War fight, THEN he fights Vulture and Tony's there to help out still.
 
Does Norse mythology exist in the MCU? Because if yes, Thor is already an established figure that everyone knows how he's supposed to look like even before he descended on earth.

In the Thor film Selvig talks about reading the Odin/Thor stories as a child and then later picks up a book about Norse gods so yeah it exists in the MCU.
 
There's just nothing visually exciting for me in it. It's fine, it's Spider-man. I'm not expecting Snyder slo-mo in the rain while he's dodging bullets. But after some interesting visuals in Ant-man, Dr. Strange, Guardians, etc, this feels boilerplate. It doesn't feel that different from ASM-2 to be honest. It's just a first trailer, but I was also hoping to see more of the "John Hughes" vibe that Feige was selling, and I didn't get that.

Well Ant-man explores the microverse/quantum realm, Dr.Strange is a visually unique concept by itself and Guardians have the aliens/universe as the backdrop. You just can't compare a grounded street level hero in NYC like Spider-man to those 3. Not to mention that the 3 properties whose visuals you praised have the benefit of "first time": first time being portrayed on a big cinematic scale. This is a 6th installment of Spider-man so the fresh factor will be hard to find.

I feel like they choose to refrain from revealing too much about the high school storyline because not everyone is thrilled to see another story about teenagers. Remember this is just a 1:40 long trailer of a 2-hour movie. They need to show a balance between a coming-of-age story and a Marvel superhero action flick. I heard the comic con footage is much more an accurate representative if you seek for a John Hughes inspiration.

It does, it shows Odin Bringing the Cube to earth in one Folktale book Eric had found in Thor, then the Yggdrasil Tree in First Avenger hiding the cube were all parts of the MCU Norse myth, and our ancestors misinterpreting the Asgardians and their technology

So that settles it. Who cares if Thor didn't wear his helmet when he came to earth. The image of Thor with his winged helmet is much more ingrained in popular culture through the ages. :o
 
This. He's probably the final guy to take the equipment hence why we see him punching a bus towards Spidey,

What we saw earlier in the trailer with LMG is probably a prototype hence why they haven't been synthesized into Gauntlets like we later see Schultz wearing.
Exactly what I'm thinking.
 
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Late to the party, but I've watched the trailer about a dozen times already. Apparentally I enjoyed it. :D

Peter Parker bits were the most interesting, but unexpected locales for Spidey like Washington and boat are welcome.

One thing I was wondering. We see Tony dropping Peter back home after Civil War. At least that seems likely interpretation. If so, when is that happening? Before Tony went to Siberia? Well, he already did tons of stuff in the time it took Cap and Bucky to fly there. After Cap stopped him from killing Bucky? His behavior seems odd in that case.
 
He's a self-made super-hero already. They're skipping that part. The story will about how to manage his daily life and super-hero life, as usual. The fact, that there's a new angle to it in the form of the Avengers doesn't change anything, only presents new challenges.

Skipping that part is what is making people worry. Its what makes thr character so relatable and likeable to people. That he is one of us who just happens to get super powers. This may not be the case in the movoe if they are skipping that part.

That's why people are concerned.
 
Man, I still can get over Pete's finally in the MCU lol LOVING that last scene in the International Trailer with IM. Reminds me of Marvel Team-Up lol
 
^ Damn. Now Vulture tied with Yellowjacket as the villains with most badass looking suits in the MCU.
 
The scene with the boat falling apart is very interesting. When he's holding it together you can see webs in the background as well. We'll probably see something similar to TASM 1 where Peter is grabbing all the cars from falling off the bridge. Similar to how he's going to be fighting Vulture, while trying to keep the boat together before he ultimately ends up holding it together himself. I could see a Green Goblin at the end of SM1 scene there where the Vulture attacks him when he's vulnerable, and Iron Man comes in to help. Brilliant scenario to show off his acrobatic abilities though in that scene! Plus you can see the statue of Liberty right behind him too, kinda neat!
 
This is a biased argument for you, but either way I think I'm still right. And taking them on in the same scene doesn't make me assume it's the finale. It sounds like they're working together.

Roach's friend said they mention upgrades, and how they're going to get upgrades as well. How does that not confirm that he fights him without the Civil War suit first? What other upgrades could he be talking about?
They're talking about the Vulture/Shocker upgrades, obviously. He said the "World is changing (referring to superhumans popping up everywhere) Time we change too." Doesn't have any relation to Spidey. We see LMG testing out the Shocker blasters which are in a rough, unfinished form hence why it looks like some type of gun blaster. We later see Woodbine (who is actually playing Herman Schultz in the movie so he ends up with the weapons, no surprise there) with a finalized, Gauntlet version that is close to the comics. And Peter fights Toomes in the same action scene.

Plus the way Stark is talking about the Vulture "Leave the flying monster guy alone, Peter. There are people who handle that sort of stuff." and "This is my chance to prove myself." He obviously has not fought the Vulture prior to meeting Stark. Him (and possibly the Enforcers) emerge in this film and Peter thinks he can stop them to prove he's a real superhero like the Avengers.
 
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So that settles it. Who cares if Thor didn't wear his helmet when he came to earth. The image of Thor with his winged helmet is much more ingrained in popular culture through the ages. :o
Still alittle miffed he hasn't worn the helmet after the one Coronation scene :cmad: But yes, Norse myth is in the MCU. Agents for Shield even has had an Asgardian that's been on Earth for CENTURIES basically hiding
 
I hope they color correct/grade some more because sadly, the visuals look pretty flat to me. I don't know why this is an issue for every single modern MCU movie. You have Spider-Man in high school. He was the most saturated thing in Civil War. You want to inject new fun and youth into the Spider-Man franchise. But visually it looks the same as everything else in the MCU (again). I wish they would strive for greater when it came to cinematography.

Outside of that, Vulture looks cool. I think it's great that they went with practical wings. Didn't expect that. Also thought the deflating suit was cool/interesting.
 
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I do think that expectations were really high for the trailer. Spider-Man isn't like Thor or Ant-Man where many people are sort of just accepting what we get because they didn't grow up with the characters. People are very demanding when it comes to Spider-Man, and it's not easy to let go of what you want for the character on film.
 
I hope they color correct/grade some more because sadly, the visuals look pretty flat to me. I don't know why this is an issue for every single modern MCU movie.
The one mega pro of the TASM films is the color grading. But I'll take quality filmmaking over that I suppose. This seems to just be an "issue" with MCU films as a whole.
 
And when he says "They're getting upgrades" He's probably referring to a rival gang or The Avengers. He didn't say "He's getting upgrades'.
 
They're talking about the Vulture/Shocker upgrades, obviously. He said the "World is changing (referring to superhumans popping up everywhere) Time we change too." Doesn't have any relation to Spidey. We see LMG testing out the Shocker blasters which are in a rough, unfinished form hence why it looks like some type of gun blaster. We later see Woodbine (who is actually playing Herman Schultz in the movie so he ends up with the weapons, no surprise there) with a finalized, Gauntlet version that is close to the comics. And Peter fights Toomes in the same action scene.

Plus the way Stark is talking about the Vulture "Leave the flying monster guy alone, Peter. There are people who handle that sort of stuff." and "This is my chance to prove myself." He obviously has not fought the Vulture prior to meeting Stark. Him (and possibly the Enforcers) emerge in this film and Peter thinks he can stop them to prove he's a real superhero like the Avengers.
Not seeing your point Harry? It's perfectly plausible for him to have fought Vulture and Shocker before his suit upgrade in Civil War. It makes more sense than him ditching Stark's costume to use his homemade one, what's the point of that?
 
Skipping that part is what is making people worry. Its what makes thr character so relatable and likeable to people. That he is one of us who just happens to get super powers. This may not be the case in the movoe if they are skipping that part.

That's why people are concerned.

But "that part" is only suitable in an origin story. Adding it to a non-origin story will slow down the pace of the movie. It'd be ok if we have a few flashback scenes of how he handles his power when he first got it but that's about it. The last thing we need is another reiteration of Spider-man 1/ASM1.
 
And when he says "They're getting upgrades" He's probably referring to a rival gang or The Avengers. He didn't say "He's getting upgrades'.

He could be referring to Spider-Man and Iron Man? :cwink:
 
It doesn't tho. You see his own suit in CW and it looks fine.
I'm thinking what we see with that one scene where Spidey's thrown into the bus with him catching the car was the fight with Shocker, but, you didn't see Shocker in the CW footage Stark had.
Stark gives him the upgraded costume and the civil War fight, THEN he fights Vulture and Tony's there to help out still.
He's fighting Vulture in that same scene (in his Proto-suit) And Vulture has already received the upgrade from the Tinkerer.
 
I hope they color correct/grade some more because sadly, the visuals look pretty flat to me. I don't know why this is an issue for every single modern MCU movie.

I agree. The color pallete needs to change a bit, not just in Homecoming but, in the MCU as a whole.
 
The one mega pro of the TASM films is the color grading. But I'll take quality filmmaking over that I suppose. This seems to just be an "issue" with MCU films as a whole.

I agree. Cinematography along with musical scores are the two weakest aspects of the MCU. The sad thing is they don't seem to care either. Dr. Strange have beautiful visual effects but the overall cinematography is still pretty meh. Only Guardians looks like it tries.
 
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