
Well stated, Joker.
What Joker said is true, and that shouldn't take away from your enjoyment of this show or whatnot.
Thank you, gents
The point about the designs is which is stronger, a realistic approach to anatomy or a one that makes humans look like moving dolls? The legs alone on SSM were cringeworthy. SSM's Rhino's lower body looked too small to support his massive upper torso, Ock's inexplicable half glasses/half domino mask and big circle belly were laughable, and Peter had the face of a 5-year-old. Ultimate Spider-man has better graphics than SSM did.
Again that's just you stating your preference for which animation designs you liked more. That's nothing to do with comic book accuracy. Some artists in the comics have done some god awful designs of the characters, but that doesn't make them any less comic book accurate.
Unless a character is completely unrecognizable, as in completely redesigned and bare no resemblance to their original design, then there's no issue here with regards to comic book faithfulness. And even then I'd argue that redesigning a character doesn't mean they are not comic book faithful. Using Bane from Batman again as an example, he was redesigned in The Dark Knight Rises, but nobody gave a toss because he looked great and Nolan made him the bad ass threat he was in the comics, even including his fan favorite moment where he breaks Batman.
I'll admit that it's been awhile since I watched SSM, but the only two villains who come to mind as being designed particularly well on that show were Shocker and Lizard. Yes, they deviated from the comics somewhat, but at least the changes were attractive.
Shocker and Lizard were as recognizable as every other character. If you liked their designs more that's your preference, but they were still as valid as the others. The only character I would say was a total redesign is Electro. If anyone wanted to attack him for lack of comic book faithful design, they'd be justified.
I also thought Kingpin's characterization and role on TAS show worked very well. Fisk is one of the greatest, although strangely underrated, cerebral villains in comics. Watching him launch long-arcing, elaborate schemes and pull the strings of so many other supervillains was part of the large, bold feel that set TAS apart from so many other simplistic super hero 'toons.
Kingpin was awesome, and his voice by Roscoe Lee Browne was perfection. The trouble is nearly every villain and their mother was tied to him. He was ridiculously over used, and at the expense of many other villains. He was never ever that big of a villainous presence in Spider-Man's world. Just like Morbius. The writers just went too far with some characters at the expense of others. It made this Spider-Mna universe feel smaller and cramped when you could predict nearly every villain had something to do with Kingpin.
Even loser villains like The Spot were tied to him.
Two years... out of 30 years. Yeah, not important.
That's like saying the Death of Gwen Stacy, one story out of thousands. Yeah not that important.
That was one scene, and the dialogue was much different than in the comics (although it's been a while since I read that one).
That was one of MANY scenes, and who cares if the dialogue was not the exact same? Name me a scene in TAS where the dialogue was the same as the comic book.
The the context and spirit of the scene was the same. Spider-Man was trapped, had to get to save a loved one before it was too late, and he summons his inner strength to free himself.
The whole visual of the scene was spot on.
TAS adapted the Green Goblin story arc complete with the amnesia, split personality, Goblin finding out Peter's secret identity, Harry becoming the Goblin, Silvermane and him having Doc Connors try to find out the Elixir of life and turning into a baby, the story arc where Spider-Man grew 6 arms, Spider-Man losing his powers, and then getting into a fight with Doc Ock who takes off the mask but decides that it wasn't really Spider-Man, ect, and they took more dialogue from the source than SSM.
The Green Goblin story came post the Hobgoblin story, therefore it invalidates it completely. I also asked you to name one villain who had as many character arcs adapted as the likes of Ock did in SSM. This is just you naming three stories that influenced the show over the course of FIVE seasons.
The Hobgoblin wasn't Roderick Kingsley, so it's not that big of an issue.
Why does it not being Kingsley not make it that big of an issue? It's another bastardization you can add to the list since Kingsley not Macendale was the first Hobgoblin. If anything it's an even bigger issue.
Yes... and in TAS Norman had a split personality, while in SSM Norman didn't.
If you read the comics you know Norman didn't get the split personality until AFTER he got amnesia. That had not happened yet in SSM.
He certainly didn't start out of sympathetic or remain that way
Yes he did. Read Electro's backstory in those comics I mentioned. It is very sympathetic. And what pray tell was so sympathetic about SSM's Electro when he became a villain?
I agree, but that still means TAS was more faithful even if the comic story wasn't that good
How does that make TAS more faithful? It made Peter and Eddie connected, and even rivals. It's not more of a deviation than making them friends. It's establishing a connection that they never had in the comics.
As I said before, Spectacular's art is to be desired, but that shouldn't be the deciding factor to a show's quality. That's pretty much the equivalent of saying a bad game with good graphics is better than a good game with inferior graphics. Yeah Ultimate Spider-man has better art, but that's about all it has going for it. Many people consider that to be the worst Spider-man for a lot of reasons. And it's art isn't one of them. It's likely that it had a bigger budget(it is produced by Marvel/Disney), so it could afford to have designs that are more a bit more realistic and also animated pretty well.
I also think Doc Ock was handled better in Spectacular. In a mere two seasons it took several of his best stories from the comics. The Sinister Six, the Master Planner and the Gang War. Amazing accomplishment. And more than TAS did with Ock whom after his debut was nothing more than a Kingpin lackey.
And I'm gonna say this again in regards to Peter and Eddie being friends in Spectacular and Norman not having a split personality(which seems to have been ignored)
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