The Amazing Spider-Man Spidey Reboot: the Next Ang Lee's Hulk?

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You guys remember Ang Lee's Hulk? Avi and his friends wanted the Hulk movie to be all about drama and they hired Lee and they hyped the movie by repeatedly talking about character drama and emotional nonsense. The movie was all about Banner's angst and daddy issues and there was little action in the movie.

Now, they want to do the same with Pete in high school with teenage issues: "oh, does she love me? does she like me? Why people don't like me? Boohoohoo!"
 
From a superhero fan standpoint, I admit that HULK was underwhelming in the action/spectacle department. But from a dramatic standpoint, I don't understand the amount of hatred that movie receives. It's certainly not a great movie, but it's also not a terrible one. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit.

Still, I understand your concerns. The trick is being able to find the right balance between drama and spectacle (which HULK failed to achieve).
 
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I'm sick of Marvel screwing up their movies. Spidey was fine till 3 came along and ruined it all. Hopefully they know better and will stop having to fix things. They should know if they have something cool stick with the same formula. I'm happy that they fixed the Hulk with Incredible Hulk.

Now if they could just fix the FF movies with a reboot. And reboot DD.

I couldn't believe what they did to Spidey after how well it was going, even if they had some dull moments and weird moments.:spidey:
 
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But that movie had Eric Banana in it.
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Did this really need its own thread?
 
Hahaha...yep that's Eric Banana...always a true fruit.
 
From a superhero fan standpoint, I admit that HULK was underwhelming in the action/spectacle department. But from a dramatic standpoint, I don't understand the amount of hatred that movie receives. It's certainly not a great movie, but it's also not a terrible one. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit.

Still, I understand your concerns. The trick is being able to find the right balance between drama and spectacle (which HULK failed to achieve).

HULK was far too metaphorical for its own good
 
I'm sick of Marvel screwing up their movies. Spidey was fine till the reboot came along and ruined it all. Hopefully they know better and will stop having to fix things. They should know if they have something cool stick with the same formula. I'm happy that they fixed the Hulk with Incredible Hulk.


fixed. :cwink:
 
I liked Ang Lee's Hulk but I think two elements dragged it down significantly story-wise:

1) The pacing. The film felt way too long and slow. And the final act with Bruce and his dad feels like overkill.

2) The goofy and weird elements underminded the films' extremely serious and morose tone. Stuff like Talbot's extremely goofy death and the Hulk dogs just made me shake my head.
 
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i agree but that may be ok for batman but for spiderman i disagree
 
I'd like to see a hell a lot more seriousness in Spider-Man. Raimi stuff was too cheesy and juvenile. The witty banter was given to JJJ and not Peter/Spidey.
 
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From a superhero fan standpoint, I admit that HULK was underwhelming in the action/spectacle department. But from a dramatic standpoint, I don't understand the amount of hatred that movie receives. It's certainly not a great movie, but it's also not a terrible one. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit.

Still, I understand your concerns. The trick is being able to find the right balance between drama and spectacle (which HULK failed to achieve).

Ang Lee's Hulk was a poorly paced mess of a film. From a dramatic standpoint, it failed miserably. That was part of the duel problem with that film. I wonder if Sony is dumb enough to go the all teenage angst route??? The fact that they are throwing Spider-Boy back in to high school is NOT going to sit well with general audiences. Trust me, the over 25 crowd is not going to embrace this reboot. Sony may realize this and gear it for the Twilight crowd, that's my biggest fear... not getting too cerebral and bloated like Ang Lee's Hulk.
 
Now, they want to do the same with Pete in high school with teenage issues: "oh, does she love me? does she like me? Why people don't like me? Boohoohoo!"

That sounds absolutely Raimi's Spiderman.
 
The Hulk and Spider-Man are two characters with two types of expectations.

With a Hulk movie, people expect him to be a big, green brute that destroys things, more like a force of nature. The marketing for the 2003 film almost met that expectation, but the film didn't. It was directed by Ang Lee, who was known for his eye for action scenes (Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon), but also his penchant for character study (CT,HD; The Ice Storm; Sense and Sensibility), so it was virtually apparent that this wasn't going to be the expected Hulk movie; it was going to be a bit more ambitious in trying to explain why Banner becomes the Hulk, among other things. This is why Bruce Banner's origin was mostly grazed over as a freak accident in The Incredible Hulk, to get to the point of the Hulk smashing things.

Spider-Man is a nerdy-to-normal teenager who receives the abilities of a spider, and becomes a superhero. Balancing one's life between being a normal person and a superhero is a theme that runs through most superhero stories, so I think the expectation is there that conflicts will arise as Peter Parker and Spider-Man's lives collide. The "high school angst" angle doesn't bother me in that right for the new film series.

In addition, Spider-Man is a hero and his powers don't rely on his emotional state (unless the new series will follow the logic of Spider-Man 2), the Hulk is the opposite in regard to the latter and is not a hero (in the traditional sense), so there is no need to go as cerebral as Hulk did to understand the character. Not only that, but I believe that any studio with a superhero property is careful to study the history of adaptations to see what can work, and as this film is a "reboot" like TIH was, I think the Hulk/TIH case, and maybe moreso the Schumacher/Nolan Batman case, is being seen as an example of how to retell stories without retreading previous ground and how to meet and/or exceed expectations of how these characters should be adapted.

I'm more cautious of this film being a bit more like the production of Alien³, which involved a music video director (David Fincher) taking on the duty of helming a new installment of a well-known series into a grittier, more intimate direction that goes to the roots of what made the series popular (confined group + one xenomorph + no weapons). With a well-known series likely comes more studio involvement; this happened with Alien³, which may be why it garnered such a mixed reaction, and is a reason why Fincher isn't particularly proud of the film.

This new Spider-Man series has secured a director before production, unlike Alien³, but it still involves a music video director (Marc Webb) taking on the duty of helming a new installment of a well-known property into a grittier, more intimate direction that goes to the roots of what made the property popular (Spider-Man in high school). I'm thinking that Sony is also aware of the debacle that was the production and release of Alien³, even if it was so long ago, but too much studio involvement may still be something to look out for here, as well. (How coincidental is it that the writer for this new film worked with a post-Alien³ David Fincher on a well-received film?)
 
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I don't think Hulk was terrible but I also think it's an admirable failure. I don't think Lee really understood the character which is why the movie was kinda jarring.

But at the sametime, nobody talks about Letterier's The Incredible Hulk besides Hulk fans; I'm talking about casual geeks or non-geeks. Infact, I hear about Ang's version outside of fanboydom.
 
As a Hulk fan first and foremost, alot of that movie's shortcomings had to do with Ang alienating both the hardcore fans and the general public. Most people only know of the Ferrigno Hulk, and certainly, that wasn't an action packed affair. The Hulk would show up twice an episode, flex, then jog around the corner, so I was always confused by people expecting something action packed who were only familiar with a TV show lacking action.

On the other hand, the changes Ang made, to the origin, to Banner's dad, to the Hulk himself, just turned the more hardcore fans off, at least it did to me. The Hulk has always been a psychological character, Ang may have overdone it, but it's integral to telling his story properly, so kudos for that. And the action that was there, was spectacular as well, so it's not like Ang completely dropped the ball, contrary to popular belief.

Spiderman 1 and especially 2 gave us plenty of angst, almost too much IMO. The one issue I always had with Raimi's take is that it wasn't light enough. No matter what personal issues Parker is facing, the suit is his release, his chance to have fun and act out and forget his worries, a form of escapism. I, for one, can do without yet another Spiderman film where Peter spends most of his time crying in a corner somewhere, Tobey Maguire did plenty of that already....
 
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I'm sick of Marvel screwing up their movies. Spidey was fine till 3 came along and ruined it all. Hopefully they know better and will stop having to fix things. They should know if they have something cool stick with the same formula. I'm happy that they fixed the Hulk with Incredible Hulk.

Now if they could just fix the FF movies with a reboot. And reboot DD.

I couldn't believe what they did to Spidey after how well it was going, even if they had some dull moments and weird moments.:spidey:

That's not Marvel, that's Sony & Fox.

I have a feeling Sony with will be following Iron Man & TDK. They'd be stupid not too. Base it on two of the highest grossing & best well-received super hero movies or go on some lame drama route?
 
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That's not Marvel, that's Sony & Fox.

I have a feeling Sony with will be following Iron Man & TDK. They'd be stupid not too. Base it on two of the highest grossing & best well-received super hero movies or go on some lame drama route?
No, it is also Marvel fault, as well. You think the script doesn't have to come pass their desk before it's made into a movie. Marvel has to okay the content in the script first. Why does Marvel always get a pass from these mediocre films based on their characters, when they set up the deals and okay the scripts?
 
Being that I think Ang's Hulk is an incredibly underrated movie...that be great if spidey reboot was of similar quality imo :D
 
Marvel doesn't have to okay anything. Sony can make whatever movie they want with these characters.
 
Marvel doesn't have to okay anything. Sony can make whatever movie they want with these characters.
So if Sony wanted to make Spider-Man kill Aunt May, you're telling me that Marvel doesn't have a say in stopping them, of course they do. Avi Arad said that Marvel has final say over the script and costumes. If I'm not mistaken, he said it on 60 Minutes. You know the episode where Stan Lee looked like he was about to cry, when ask if he was angry for not getting a big chunk of these Marvel Movies, lol.

Why do you people defend Marvel, they're part of the problem with most of these films. They just want to get paid, not make good movies, it's why they have so many idiotic deals with various studios. Iron Man and the rebooted Hulk turned out well because of the directors, just a few that actually made it out being a good movie.
 
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