No Hulk sequel, a RE-START instead.

[November Rain]

1-how was the weight spread between both arms when his other arm was holding a webline? If anything that's a bigger strain. Spidey was HANGING by one arm while holding the tram w/the other. GG was standing on top of the bridge.
2-when did the Goblin catch a glider?

sharing out weight between two arms is eaiser than one since one doesn't have to exert a natural counter balance to support carrying it on the side with no load.

exactly spidey was hanging vertically. Next time you get a bag of groceries, see how easy it is to hang it than holding it out to your side which was what the goblin was doign with quite some ease.

sorry, i meant catching the tram while on the glider.

 

[November Rain]

"DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SACRIFICED!?!?"
"NO ONE SAYS NO TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!"
I suppose throwing innocent children to their deaths is the act of a calm, rational mind.
Or how about, "Had you not been so selfish, your little girlfriend's death would've been quick and painless, but now that you've REALLY pissed me off..."

1st two weren't used in a battle situation so they are void.

well, considering his goals of forcing an enemy to make a decision which he hypothesised would cause him to either kill dozens of people or the woman he loved, yeah, he achieved that in a pretty rational manner. what he didn't plan for was that spidey would be able to get both done. on paper, it's one of the best marvel villain plans, simple and effective and he pulled it off nearly perfectly. he saw the children as collateral damage for his greater goal, no big deal. hardly the act of someone pissed off.

as for the last one, again, being pissed off doesn't make someone pissed, there is a difference but because a similar word is used in the phrase, many people believe it's the same thing. my project is pissing me off, but it doesn't mean i'm pissed (aka crazy rampage mad killing spree).

everyone knows actions speak louder than words, it he was pissed, he wouldn't be saying he was pissed, he'd be pissed. His reasoning for using that phrase was purely to annoy his victim before he killed in but instead it made peter pissed and he did something about it.

at no point can you say spidey faced a pissed goblin.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

At the world unity festival and in the burning building Goblin was pissed i thought.

What did you think of Juggernauts and Collosus's strength shows NR?

 

[November Rain]

not on the same scale as parker was at the end though...parker has this tendency to go into a blind rage fit where he forgets about everything and keeps pounding someone regardless. it happened with goblin, same thing happened with ock.

I'm just really trying to highlight that a pissed parker beat up a non-pissed osbourne so to say one is stronger isn't really fair, so i'm examining parts where they aren't pissed.

juggernaut's real power isn't his strength while static but rather his strength in motion, a static juggs isn't really too dangerous in comparison. less strong than the thing in my book. his fight with wolverine was on somewhat a small scale. Consider this

when sabretooth picked up a tree and whack wolverine with it in x-men, he not only managed to pick it up and support its weight, but knock an adamantium laced human being into the air for three seconds... decent

juggs threw wolverine through a floor, potentially a floor, and another floor. so far so good, but when he kicked wolverine in the stomach, he didn't seem to go that far as expected. interesting...

now juggs is all out winner. throwing humans hard enough to go through a solid wall, nice. and also throwing an adamantium laced human being out of visible site. hardcore.

bot these displays are amateur compared to spidey and norman osborne, although i do believe collusus does have the strength to stop a speeding train though in spidey's situation.

norman osborn and spidey definitely have incredible strength except for the hulk advantage over everyone else. then colossus, then sabretooth, then jugs


ock is just under sabretooth, in order to throw a car like that keeping it low and keeping it moving like such shows incredible strength (speaking about the shop window scene).

 

[Chris Wallace]

Ok-back on topic...
This whole "restart" idea doesn't sit well with me. "Hulk" was a genuinely good movie; it was just marketed wrong. And it sounds like they're using the remarks found on boards such as this one as their guide. Making him smaller, more action & such. It's fine to respect the fans & take their opinions into account; it's another to let them push you around.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Were would you place the Thing, Blade Drake, etc

 

[SLYspyder]

i'm gnona have to clear it up for you guys.

The Thing is much stronger than Spider-Man, who is about the same strength as the Green Goblin.
But seeing as how Spider-Man has all his other powers, speed, agility, crawling, spider-sense, the Goblin shouldn't be a match if they went toe to toe.

The reason it was straineous for the Thing to save the firetruck was simply the angle at which he was applying his strength. You can clearly see the thing's strength later on when he easily tosses a car at Doom. The way he threw it, twisting horizontally, was also a strong indication of his strength.

Goblin was holding the tram while it was still connected at the other end to the machine. It's hard, yes, but he was standing up, also using his leg strength.
Spidy on the other hand had very little GRIP on the tram, and even worse, very little grip on the webline. He was also holding everything vertically, whereas the goblin wasn't. His legs weren't doing anything for him either, with is why he was straining.

 

[ang_hulk]

trailer idea

scene opens with a bunch of explosions(from the incredible hulk films) just quick flashes,mabey a shot of the villian,all very fast paced.The we see the camera zoom out to reveal the hulk logo,the hulk breaks into the shot with a boulder(or a car or somthing) and smashes it on to the logo(making it brick like and more similar to the comics) then somthing smashes through the screen and the debri make the word "incredible" appear on top and the word the comes from dust then black screen.


Its a start.I just want that logo gone,everyone recognizes it as the old film,I want hulk himself tearing it down.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ok-back on topic...
This whole "restart" idea doesn't sit well with me. "Hulk" was a genuinely good movie; it was just marketed wrong. And it sounds like they're using the remarks found on boards such as this one as their guide. Making him smaller, more action & such. It's fine to respect the fans & take their opinions into account; it's another to let them push you around.

I totally, totally agree with you, they are listening to fans who havent been interested in a sequel since the first movie came out. Yet people like us, who have remained here for the last 3 years supporting any sequel, just dont get listened to.

 

[Sava]

I totally, totally agree with you, they are listening to fans who havent been interested in a sequel since the first movie came out. Yet people like us, who have remained here for the last 3 years supporting any sequel, just dont get listened to.

maybe cause there's so little of us

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

maybe cause there's so little of us

Ha ha, could be a factor!!!

 

[November Rain]

i'm gnona have to clear it up for you guys.

The Thing is much stronger than Spider-Man, who is about the same strength as the Green Goblin.
But seeing as how Spider-Man has all his other powers, speed, agility, crawling, spider-sense, the Goblin shouldn't be a match if they went toe to toe.

The reason it was straineous for the Thing to save the firetruck was simply the angle at which he was applying his strength. You can clearly see the thing's strength later on when he easily tosses a car at Doom. The way he threw it, twisting horizontally, was also a strong indication of his strength.

Goblin was holding the tram while it was still connected at the other end to the machine. It's hard, yes, but he was standing up, also using his leg strength.
Spidy on the other hand had very little GRIP on the tram, and even worse, very little grip on the webline. He was also holding everything vertically, whereas the goblin wasn't. His legs weren't doing anything for him either, with is why he was straining.

the thing is no where near spidey's strength. look ock's arms were strong enough to throw a car the same way the thing did, and while held suspended spidey was able to overcome the strength of ock's arms, showing that he has more strength than the best of either what doc ock or the THING have to offer. Infact, not only enough to extend his arms, but enough to also carry two large tables at a noticeable speed enough to knock ock out of a building and dent a car outside.

if that car throwing is the best example of the thing's strenght then it certainly doesn't cut it.

and how can you use grip as an scapegoat for the only character in movie marvel universe where grip isn't a problem. his grip can never be anyworse than goblin's. and look at the way the goblin was standing, there was no additional leg strain used in carrying that tram, it was all arms (infact, one arm).

again, try hanging a weight and letting it dangle and compare it to holding the weight straight out to your side and see which one takes its toll quicker.

also having the goblin's arm jar while the tram dropped in while he initially caught it and not letting go and continue to carry it is an amazing achievement considering the cable has relatively no elastic lee way in comparison to his body mass. plenty of people say mj would have broken her arms when she fell and caught the tram, if that's the case what should have happened to the goblin, far worse considering the relative condition but not only did he take it but he didn't let go and held the tram up right on the SAME arm, went into battle with it and it never caused him any issues.


whether the THING is supposed to be stronger or not, he isn't portrayed that way so any reason that people have to say he is is simply based on pre-viewing perception. if you gave these films to people who had never seen the films before and asked them to come up with an idea of a strength gauge based on what they've seen, i believe they would come up with similar conclusions to myself.

spidey's definitely got the longest list of traits. some may argue he's stronger than the goblin but i feel that goblin outshines him on a few aspects when it comes to the tram which is why i put it in his favour...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hulk trounces them all though. And i liked Hellboy punching down on the car bonnet and it flipping over him.

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

Thing puts up a good fight against Hulk.
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/fantasticfour25.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk122.html
http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulkan18.html

Spider-Man would get squashed like a bug against hulk.
The movies are based on the comic books.

Hulk>Thing>Spider-Man

 

[Chris Wallace]

maybe cause there's so little of us

No-we just don't make as much noise as the detractors.
Now don't get me wrong; I get that they want to make money & recoup their losses. I do understand that. But I think they're going about it the wrong way. The movie's problem lay not in its content but in its marketing. I'm just afraid that in their efforts to placate the summer action junkies they're gonna ruin everything that was good about the first film.

 

[Ions]

No-we just don't make as much noise as the detractors.
Now don't get me wrong; I get that they want to make money & recoup their losses. I do understand that. But I think they're going about it the wrong way. The movie's problem lay not in its content but in its marketing. I'm just afraid that in their efforts to placate the summer action junkies they're gonna ruin everything that was good about the first film.

Yeah I feel that way too. They could throw the baby out with the bathwater, as the saying goes. I've made a post about this before. I also don't want the sequel made with a mantra of "lets make it more mainstream and lighter than the first".
I'd rather them think "lets make a great Hulk movie".

 

[Chris Wallace]

Okay, Ions & Sava-let's just say what we really think; we're afraid they're gonna turn it into a mindless summer action movie, titillating to the eye but w/no real substance. Deep, somber drama didn't work so let's go the oppostie extreme.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Okay, Ions & Sava-let's just say what we really think; we're afraid they're gonna turn it into a mindless summer action movie, titillating to the eye but w/no real substance. Deep, somber drama didn't work so let's go the oppostie extreme.

This is what i have thought they will do ever since they announced Penn as the writer. He seems to specialise in movies without any substance and that are just made to please the masses. I think there will be no Hulk mind battles in this new one, a la the mirror scene when Hulk is falling from the sky. Or we wont get Betty's dreams being re-enacted by the Hulk or anything like that. I think we are going to get a happy slap get to the next set-piece as soon as possible summer flick that will be 100 minutes long.

Might still be good, but i doubt it.

 

[Sava]

They should model Hulk 2 on T2. Think about it, everything fits perfectly. T-1000 is an upgrade from T-800 like Abomination is in a way of Hulk. Put people in the middle of the fights like they did with Conner in T2. Have Hulk having to fight someone that he just cant beat, gets the s**t kicked out of him but still doesnt give up, because he has to save Betty or who ever the hell that is in the middle of the fight. The Hulk was more story driven than action, just like T1, have Hulk 2 be T2, just because there's alot of action doesnt mean the movie be s**t. They just got to fit it in right. Penn seems to be a fan of Cameron, he's looking at the right guy to learn from IMO.

 

[November Rain]

can anyone here see the parallels between the hulk and the last stand in relation to jean grey?????



Banner was a genetically altered human being from birth equivalent to being a mutant one would suppose. jean was a mutant

banner had a traumatic experience that opened the extent of his true powers and nature, so did jean both on (i think) was her first use of cerebro and also on alkali lake.

both somehow survived the experience which was supposed to kill them.

both were mistreated by their father figures, xavier in jean's case while david in bruce's.

both characters would have been fine if not agitated. jeans attacks on the wolverine, xavier and the armi at alcatraz were all because she was agitated or manipulated into going nuts. same with banner's four hulk outs.

both characters were able to be calmed by the ones they loved, wolverine (as much as it pains me to say it) and also betty.

both characters wanted to be left alone but were followed by people who wished to manipulate their abilities either to surpress them or to use them for their own cause. xavier and eric wanted to supress and manipulate respectively, while ross and talbot wanted to surpress and manipulate respectively.

both characters are deeply misunderstood, uncontrollable and the extent of their powers is not truelly examined in the films.

both characters lash out in a big big way at the end of the film.

both characters had dual locked up dangerous psyches (or potentially dangerous).

both wore maroon


ha, Jean is basically a female hulk

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

There is a similarity, the only problem is Hulk wipes the floor with X3 in terms of quality.

 

[November Rain]

i'm not really talking about the films rather than character portrayal.

to be fair considering that jean wasn't the main focus of the film, they only needed a little more time to express her hulk like qualities...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

In X3 they needed a little more time for everything it should have been Superman Returns length.

 

[November Rain]

how long was it, i've yet to watch it?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

SR is 2hrs 35mins approx, X3 was 1hr 43mins. SR sounds great to me, a lot of people on this board seem to dislike it, but it has more positive votes than negative ones. Empire gave it 5 stars out of 5 and my brother loved it so i think i will like it.