The Dark Knight Spoilers and Speculation

[ab38416]

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[Art Damage]

God, with all these spoilers about the movie and all the action/violence we're probably going to see. Can anybody tell how far to "rated R" they could push this thing?!

 

[Luchastyle]

i don't know. i don' think it'll have a problem getting the pg-13. there are only a couple things you can't do with pg-13

 

[ab38416]

Yea, it's exactly what I hoped for. You have to show Gotham reacting to Batman, Bruce's mission was all about creating a symbol and inspiring people. Now we see how they really perceive Batman, and the unintended consequences of his plans. Media interest would be huge, the identity issue is impossible to ignore, wish they'd done more than newspaper headlines in Begins. The vigilantes also fit really nicely into this. It also ties into the way Joker uses broadcasts to terrorize, and sway public opinion against Batman, including his own demands for Batman to reveal himself. He has no power without the mask. For me it's the most satisfying aspect of the sequel, showing the impact the 2 have.

Same here.

 

[turtlefocker]

****WARNING**** LOTS OF SPOILERS

DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED

Someone recommended that this thread be started, to round up all the info that is known about the movie so far. This is everything I can remember right now. I'm sure there is a lot more info that can be added, and some of the accuracy might be a tad off. Feel free to add any new info, and discuss the plot and scenes that we know are in the movie so far.

· Wayne Manor is being rebuilt; Bruce Wayne and Alfred are staying in a penthouse suite.
· Joker is the main villain. One of his first scenes in the movie is a bank robbery where he and his goons wear clown masks. Joker ends up killing the Bank Manager (played by William Fichtner.)
· Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart) is the new District Attorney. He is possibly dating Rachel Dawes.
· Bruce Wayne is up to his playboy millionaire antics. At one point he throws a party on his private yacht for the cast of an Opera, closing the show for the night.
· Sal Maroni (Eric Roberts) is the new head of the Falcone family. There are gang wars ensuing the streets of Gotham City including Maroni’s gang, and a gang lead by a man named Gamble (Michael Jai White).
· There are Vigilantes, disguising themselves as Batman, patrolling the streets of Gotham. They attempt to break up a confrontation between a Chechen gang and Scarecrow early on in the movie. The Chechens release attack dogs on the Vigilantes, who must be rescued by the Batman.
· Dent wants to end the gang wars in Gotham and put an end to organized crime. To mount a case against Maroni he needs to bring an extradited accountant from Hong Kong named Lau (Chin Han), who has connections with Maroni to Gotham. Batman travels to Hong Kong (as Bruce Wayne) with Lucius Fox in order to bring Lau to Gotham.
· The Joker is somehow approached by the mobs entreating him to cause chaos in Gotham, distracting the cops and Dent from their wars.
· The Joker does indeed cause chaos in Gotham City. He (in no particular order) kills cops, blows up a hospital (while dressed up as a female nurse), and commits other actions causing a general state of fear in the city.
· At some point, Harvey Dent announces that he is Batman at a press conference.
· Bruce Wayne throws a party for Harvey Dent at his penthouse suite. The Joker and his goons crash it, trying to kill Dent. Batman intervenes, but the Joker ends up kidnapping Rachel, dancing with her at knife point.
· Reese (Joshua Harto), a disgruntled Wayne Enterprises employee, breaks into the applied sciences sector of Wayne Enterprises and somehow discovers Batman’s true identity. He gives this information to a reporter/radio/talk show host named Mike Engel (Anthony Michael Hall), who announces he will reveal the identity on his evening program. Not to be out of the limelight, Joker makes a bomb threat to the TV station, causing the program to be cancelled. Lucius Fox somehow blackmails Reese into not revealing the identity to anyone else.
· Tired of all the vigilantes running around Gotham, and wanting to find the real Batman, Joker kidnaps their leader a man named Brian Douglas, and hangs him from a flag pole outside the mayor’s office with a Joker card pinned into his chest with a knife. On the card it reads, “Will the real Batman please stand up.” Harvey Dent is making a proclamation of a crime-free 18 months in Gotham to the mayor (Nester Carbonell) when the wind blows the dead body into his window.
· Batman/Bruce Wayne is struggling with falling into his persona, and juggling both the life of Batman and Bruce Wayne. He is also seen doing more detective work this time around. He also gets a new suit sometime in the movie.
· Lt. Gordon (Gary Oldman) fakes his own death. His wife, Barbara (Melinda McGraw) is notified about his “death” by Detective Stephens (Keith Szarabajka).
· Joker kills Commissioner Loeb and a female judge. At their funeral, the Joker (disguised as a cop) makes an assassination attempt on the mayor.
· At some point, (possibly after the assassination attempt) the Joker and some of his goons are arrested. Batman interrogates the Joker, and ends up beating the snot out of him. The Joker escapes by the use of a bomb planted in the stomach of one of his goons.
· Detective Stephens and Detective Ramirez (Monique Curnen) are cops loyal to Harvey Dent.
· Officer Berg (Matt Shallenberger) tries to kill the Joker, after his wife is killed in the hospital explosion, but fails.
· There is a chase scene involving the Bat mobile and the Joker in a semi-truck. Joker ends up destroying the Bat mobile/Tumbler, causing Batman to use his Bat-Cycle.
· Eventually Maroni and other gang leaders are rounded up and arrested by Batman, and SWAT squads led by Gordon. Maroni is in a night club with two mistresses (Sarah Jayne Dunn and Kerri Parker) when Batman breaks in and takes him.
· Maroni goes on trial, being prosecuted by Harvey Dent. During the trial, he throws acid (that was smuggled to him by a corrupt cop) in Dent’s face, permanently scarring him.
· The Joker causes so much chaos in Gotham, and makes a threat forcing all of Gotham to evacuate onto huge barges. The criminals and lower class citizens are on one barge, while the Gotham elite are on the other. Joker announces that there are bombs on both barges. The leaders of Gotham must choose to blow up one of the barges, or he will destroy both. This culminates to a showdown between Joker and Batman.
· Dent, now scarred, confronts Maroni. He flips his coin to determine whether to kill Maroni or not. The flip determines that Maroni will live for the time being, but his driver is not so lucky.
· Dent/Two-Face also makes an appearance at a bar, where he kills the cop who supplied Maroni with the acid.

This post was not necessary but thank you for your input

 

[t1box135]

Did most of these spoilers come from inside users on SHH or scoops from other places? Like, there are some rumors I have never heard about joker escaping or the blowing up of the barge, etc

 

[bkey]

Did most of these spoilers come from inside users on SHH or scoops from other places? Like, there are some rumors I have never heard about joker escaping or the blowing up of the barge, etc

Most (probably like 95%) are from here. Some are from the casting sides, and some spy reports on other sites. The barge stuff is from awhile ago, most is from the sides, and they filmed those scenes in London. The Joker escaping due to the bomb in his goons stomach are from the sides and the Wizard World footage.

 

[Schlosser85]

The Joker escaping due to the bomb in his goons stomach are from the sides and the Wizard World footage.

I knew about the goon with the bomb in his stomach, but I didn't know that scene also involved The Joker escaping.

 

[turtlefocker]

I knew about the goon with the bomb in his stomach, but I didn't know that scene also involved The Joker escaping.

touche

 

[Hole Shot]

Probably a good time to start cross referencing threads like this with the viral sites. There is information in the new viral sites hinting at or building up to the plot of the movie.

 

[turtlefocker]

Probably a good time to start cross referencing threads like this with the viral sites. There is information in the new viral sites hinting at or building up to the plot of the movie.

bkey has done an excellent job of putting all the info from reports and what-not together. As fans we pretty much know what the story is and many of the key scenes.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Yeah, good work bkey.

Very interesting read.

 

[The Redux 714]

Most (probably like 95%) are from here. Some are from the casting sides, and some spy reports on other sites. The barge stuff is from awhile ago, most is from the sides, and they filmed those scenes in London. The Joker escaping due to the bomb in his goons stomach are from the sides and the Wizard World footage.

I didn't know this was in the WW footage...

 

[bkey]

I didn't know this was in the WW footage...

Yeah there was a quick shot of the guy with the bomb blinking in his stomach.

 

[Jokers_Wild]

A couple of rumors I wonder if anyone has heard:

1. That the Joker is given his cut smile by an abusive father, who tortures him?

I highly doubt any origin rumors, as I think Nolan stated this isn't 'Joker Begins'. But I was told this by someone whose friend supposedly saw the film during sound editing, but I don't know whether I trust him, he sounded very geniuine. And he did tell me in detail about the goon lighting up like a christmas tree in the jail, saying it was very cool. Just wondering if anyone else heard something similiar?

2. The Joker gives Chelsea Grins to several people in the movie.

I definitely believe this is true. The individual is very trustworthy that told me this. Any one heard this as being confirmed?

 

[bkey]

A couple of rumors I wonder if anyone has heard:

1. That the Joker is given his cut smile by an abusive father, who tortures him?

I highly doubt any origin rumors, as I think Nolan stated this isn't 'Joker Begins'. But I was told this by someone whose friend supposedly saw the film during sound editing, but I don't know whether I trust him, he sounded very geniuine. And he did tell me in detail about the goon lighting up like a christmas tree in the jail, saying it was very cool. Just wondering if anyone else heard something similiar?

2. The Joker gives Chelsea Grins to several people in the movie.

I definitely believe this is true. The individual is very trustworthy that told me this. Any one heard this as being confirmed?

I hadnt heard the first one at all. Both are just rumors and neither have been confirmed. I think Nolan has said Joker will have no "origin story" per se in the film. The chelsea grin thing would be cool though. The goon with the bomb and being "lit up like a christmas tree" is true.

 

[donk70]

This post was not necessary but thank you for your input

Why wasn't it necessary, troll?

 

[MarkJK1441]

ok i thought this might be the place to ask does anyone have the sides could you send them to me if you do

 

[ActuallyRobin]

ok i thought this might be the place to ask does anyone have the sides could you send them to me if you do

e-mailed you em

 

[Tron5000]

e-mailed you em

Well, if you're feeling generous...It is the holidays, you know...

 

[MarkJK1441]

e-mailed you em

thank so much bro

 

[ActuallyRobin]

thank so much bro

no worries

 

[wikum]

its a good read but i wouldn't guarantee that the content nor the timeline is 100% accurate.

 

[Naite22]

If all the spoilers Bkey posted are indeed true, than it's simply kickass!... This sounds like a film where A LOT will happen! Sounds much more intense than Begins, which were pretty intense all by it self!

 

[Joker8906]

sorry been out of the loop what r the sides?