Age of Ultron SPOILERS INSIDE What you didn't like about Avengers: Age of Ultron - Flaws/Critiques

[Batmannerism]

I agree with everything you said. Funny enough, I was thinking about the Smallville battle during the film and I was thinking how we haven't really had a true villain vs. hero fight scene in the Avengers. Most of the epic conflicts were directed towards their own team members.

I like the Vibranium-laced Ultron idea a lot better. You can have individual fight scenes between him and Vision to weaken him, and then bring in the team for the ultimate "final boss" showdown.

Thanks dude. Just came back from seeing Age of Ultron again (it's the $9 movie this week)

Anyway, on a second viewing the flaws seem less prominent,and the good bits stand out a lot more. So, what I'm saying is that its even better the second time around.

I really feel for you Marvel fans, because Whedon's made a superior film to Avengers here, but hasn't got the credit for it.

Yeah, there are still flaws and nitpicks (and I still feel the ending is too happy) but I liked it even more. The shot of Vision, Iron Man and Thor blasting Ultron all at once was pretty cool - although I still would have preferred a seemingly invincible Ultron to the hordes of bodies approach ( I mean, in the context of Ultron it makes sense - but maybe the horde could have been a distraction, before Ultron unleashed his last and most powerful body ? Who knows? )


LIke the previous poster said, in the comics Ultron usually can take on the whole Avengers team by himself - whereas here Cap was able to go toe to toe with him - and he fled from Cap, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver (although it was great seeing Wanda portrayed being as powerful as she can be). Sure Ultron could handle thor in hand to hand (without his Hammer) but gets nailed as soon as the vision shows up.

And as many have said, Ultron himself didn't live up to the possibilities he presented. I mean, he's a classic Avenger's foe and was played by a superb actor who can seamlessly combine menace and Charm - he had the potential to outshine Hiddleston as Marvel's greatest villain to date (and every superhero film needs a great villain to be enjoyable). Has to be a writing failure there, ah well.

On that note the Vision was better second time around - and Elisabeth Oleson was fantastic, I thought she was good the first time, but the second time she actually is the best villain in the film, and has the best character arc.

So again, while there are some flaws, this was a very good film, and if Marvel fanboys feel aggrieved at the critical response....well they have every right to !

 

[Stevie2020]

My number one nitpick after seeing the film for the second time this weekend: In Cap's goodbye to Tony, he refers to going into the ice 75 years ago. Seventy-five years. So now it's 2020 in the movie timeline? WWII ended in 1945. When he came out of the ice at the end of TFA, Fury said he'd been under for nearly 70 years (when in RL time it would have been at most 65-66 yrs.) Then in TWS, Cap says he's 95 (accurate - born 1918, filmed in 2013.) Now he's talking about having gone into the ice 75 years ago.

Maybe I heard wrong or maybe slightly more time is supposed to have elapsed since TWS (doubtful). But if not, this a major and inexcusable gaffe. If so, they need to fix it before it comes on dvd. It seems fixable.

Fans do keep track of such details.

 

[PunyGod]

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[piccolo]

They glossed over Quicksilvers death like it was nothing. That really ticked me off and kind of ruined the ending, even though I loved the movie. No funeral, no acknowledgment, no memorial, nothing. Everyone just moved on.

Would have much rather seen Hawkeye kick the bucket tbh.

 

[giveyourself12%]

I didn't like Quicksilver so I'm glad he's gone. However I love what they did with Hawkeye. He's was really witty and charismatic this time around as well as turning out to be somewhat of a badass.

 

[Dark Raven]

Why does Rocket Raccoon speak? Even Groot speaks regularly. And yet Hulk can barely say any words here, as if it would be too unbelievable or take people out of the picture?

 

[gildedmuse]

Why does Rocket Raccoon speak? Even Groot speaks regularly. And yet Hulk can barely say any words here, as if it would be too unbelievable or take people out of the picture?

You know, I don't have a problem with the Hulk talking or not. I mean, it's how they've chosen to represent his character in the MCU and as long as they are consistent with a character I try not to get too wrapped up in having them match across all media.

However, during the whole Hulkbuster fight, Tony had the line where he tells Bruce he's better than this, Hulk freaks out, and Tony answers with a quick, "right don't mention puny Banner" and it just sounded like something that he's heard Hulk say before presumably on one of the missions take place premovie. And we know he can speak from the other films. So in that respect it did seem weird that he didn't utter a single word. I mean, it makes sense for some of the battles - like when he's in a real rage or brainwashed. But you would think at some point.

Also, if he said something earlier then he could have said something in the quinn jet and it could have been touching. Or it could have been utterly ridiculous. Didn't happen so hard to say.

 

[DarkKnight]

Finally got around to see this movie over the weekend.

Had its good moments, no doubt about that. But I felt this was of the weaker movies of Marvel here lately. I'd compare it to say.... Iron Man 2 or Thor TDW. Much weaker than the first film. So many things seemed out of place in this film. The humor was all over the place. The buiding up of making us think Hawkeye was gonna bite the dust and Whedon kept trolling this to the point it was like okay, Hawkeye is definatley going to live because this is way to obvious lol. Ultron.... Well, He just did not seem threatening enough to me. I was hoping Ultron would be Marvels new big baddie since we've been given Lokie to many times, but Ultron was so disappointing, I'd rather it have been Loki in this movie again. They wasted such a great villain/character for this film this movie. I also believe one of my biggest complaints is I just don't feel they ended this movie setting up the Civil War movie enough. Are they going to use another film to finish setting up Civil War? or is it just going to come out of seemingly nowhere? I don't know. disappointed to say the least.

 

[Frodo]

I didn't like Quicksilver so I'm glad he's gone. However I love what they did with Hawkeye. He's was really witty and charismatic this time around as well as turning out to be somewhat of a badass.

I thought Scarlet was much more intriguing and striking as a character than Quicksilver was. She could really hold your attention and hold a scene. Quicksilver was pretty forgettable . I know fans have tried to claim that he was better than the XDOFP version but I don't buy it.

Sure , he had more to do and had an arch, but the fact that people still talk about Evan Peter's version while they seem to kinda gloss of Aaron Johnson's version is kinda demonstrates which version of character made the more lasting impression.

 

[Aejej]

Finally got around to see this movie over the weekend.

Had its good moments, no doubt about that. But I felt this was of the weaker movies of Marvel here lately. I'd compare it to say.... Iron Man 2 or Thor TDW. Much weaker than the first film. So many things seemed out of place in this film. The humor was all over the place. The buiding up of making us think Hawkeye was gonna bite the dust and Whedon kept trolling this to the point it was like okay, Hawkeye is definatley going to live because this is way to obvious lol. Ultron.... Well, He just did not seem threatening enough to me. I was hoping Ultron would be Marvels new big baddie since we've been given Lokie to many times, but Ultron was so disappointing, I'd rather it have been Loki in this movie again. They wasted such a great villain/character for this film this movie. I also believe one of my biggest complaints is I just don't feel they ended this movie setting up the Civil War movie enough. Are they going to use another film to finish setting up Civil War? or is it just going to come out of seemingly nowhere? I don't know. disappointed to say the least.

My sentiment, precisely. It seems as though every Marvel villain save Loki has gotten shortchanged in the grand scheme of things, especially with Ultron and Malekith getting the worst of it. Ultron should not have been used like an oil rag.

Additionally, the movie replicates every major beat of the first one. Considering how expensive it is to make these films, and how much they gross, why is this allowed to happen?

 

[InJustice]

I just noticed a pretty big inconsistency in Age of Ultron: what was the point of IM3's ending then? If Tony was trying to show Pepper that technology will not consume his life, then how was he able to build a Hulkbuster (who knows? Maybe he has the Thorbuster ready and lacks a proper energy source), an updated version of the Iron Legion, an updated version of his base suit, in a seemingly short period of time between IM3 and AoU? Not to mention, in the montage where Tony builds Ultron, he seemed very committed to the point of obsession in trying to make Ultron work.

 

[TeeKay]

I just noticed a pretty big inconsistency in Age of Ultron: what was the point of IM3's ending then? If Tony was trying to show Pepper that technology will not consume his life, then how was he able to build a Hulkbuster (who knows? Maybe he has the Thorbuster ready and lacks a proper energy source), an updated version of the Iron Legion, an updated version of his base suit, in a seemingly short period of time between IM3 and AoU? Not to mention, in the montage where Tony builds Ultron, he seemed very committed to the point of obsession in trying to make Ultron work.

Well we don't really know how much time has passes to be fair. Also how could he not obsesse about Ultron after what Wanda showed him?

 

[Silvermoon]

I just noticed a pretty big inconsistency in Age of Ultron: what was the point of IM3's ending then? If Tony was trying to show Pepper that technology will not consume his life, then how was he able to build a Hulkbuster (who knows? Maybe he has the Thorbuster ready and lacks a proper energy source), an updated version of the Iron Legion, an updated version of his base suit, in a seemingly short period of time between IM3 and AoU? Not to mention, in the montage where Tony builds Ultron, he seemed very committed to the point of obsession in trying to make Ultron work.

If AOU is like the past few MCU films and takes place roughly when it comes out (i.e. spring 2015), by my figuring, there's been roughly 2 1/2 years between IM3 and AOU

Now consider this: Between Avengers and IM3 is supposed to have been about 6 months. In that time frame he goes from the Mk. 7 (at the end of Avengers) to the Mk. 42 (the prehensile suit). That's 35 suits in 6 months time, that's not even a full week spent on conceptualizing/fabricating each suit, and - IMO - he probably wasn't putting them through any type of testing to work out flaws/bugs before he moved onto the next one. To say he was obsessing about it, I think, is an understatement.

So IM3 ends.... he says he's not going to obsess over the suits as much as he was, focus more on Pepper, etc... but still says he's Iron Man.

If 2 1/2 years is roughly correct, he's only created 3 additional armors for himself in that time frame. The Mk. 43 is what he has at the beginning against the Hydra base. Mk. 44 is Hulkbuster. Mk. 45 is what he has in the Battle of Sokovia. So he's definitely pulled back on his own armors. Yes, he's also created some Iron Legion, but I don't know if that can quite be considered the same thing - they appear pretty uniform they're not armors for him. They're crowd control to help assist the Avengers if/when they fight in populated areas and it looks like the creation of them has largely been automated (Tony/Jarvis just has to run the program)

I don't think there's an inconsistency at all

 

[Batmannerism]

I just noticed a pretty big inconsistency in Age of Ultron: what was the point of IM3's ending then? If Tony was trying to show Pepper that technology will not consume his life, then how was he able to build a Hulkbuster (who knows? Maybe he has the Thorbuster ready and lacks a proper energy source), an updated version of the Iron Legion, an updated version of his base suit, in a seemingly short period of time between IM3 and AoU? Not to mention, in the montage where Tony builds Ultron, he seemed very committed to the point of obsession in trying to make Ultron work.

Hey, I really liked Age of Ultron (and every movie has some inconsistencies)


But I totally agree. And they kind of gloss over the irony that while trying to create a way of protecting Earth from external alien threats, Tony created an internal threat that nearly wiped out mankind (well, if we'd been convinced that Ultron's plan would ever have worked - which is an if).

For me, it's not the time period that's the issue. It's like Pepper I'm not going to obsess about building iron man suits or technology, and be devoted to you........

except when I leave you to run the company because I'm busy trying to invent artificial intelligence, while building a platoon of remote controlled robots and a sattelite weapons system capable of taking down the Hulk and doing missions for the Avengers (in yet another suit that I built)........

No offence to previous posters, but that does seem a bit inconsistent with the ending of Iron Man 3, if we are meant to take it that Tony actually meant anything he said to Pepper.

Of course, if he's just bull-****ting Pepper and being the same old Tony, well that's pretty understandable.

Now of course he says his motivation is so that the Avengers can end and not have to go on fighting - but in the course of trying to achieve that objective he devotes a lot of time and energy.

It's kind of like a guy in a rowboat with a leak, who's building a tower high enough to reach the the clouds, then decides he needs to keep going until he reaches the moon, and then sees the stars beyond and thinks .....

Tony's never going to stop tinkering, it's just who he is, no matter what he says.

I guess this isn't an inconsistency so much with the story, but it is evidence of Tony's primary character flaw.

 

[Just_Human]

If Ultron was able to get Romanoff




Why didnt he get the cradle ?????

It's not like Barton would have stopped him

 

[Avenging Angel]

Really didn't care for Nat and Bruce coupling up. It was an odd pairing. I found them to be more friends than romantic. I think Scarlett had more chemistry and overall better scenes with Jeremy than with Mark.

 

[Frodo]

Really didn't care for Nat and Bruce coupling up. It was an odd pairing. I found them to be more friends than romantic. I think Scarlett had more chemistry and overall better scenes with Jeremy than with Mark.

Yeah, I agree. On paper I could see it making sense ,and i've heard fans of the film try to justify the relationship at the length. Still though, it doesn't ring true, mostly because the romantic chemistry just isn't there between the actors. They did well with what they were given but I've still been yet to be convinced that the two of them were a good on screen pair.

 

[lukebrodyg]

Again, to me the soul purpose for having a Banner and Romanov thing was to have a reason for Hulk to go off the grid and be absent for Civil War.

Perhaps that's why it fell flat in addition to bad chemistry between the actors. I thought Scarlett had much better chemistry with Chris in TWS as well as Renner in the first Avengers.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I just noticed a pretty big inconsistency in Age of Ultron: what was the point of IM3's ending then? If Tony was trying to show Pepper that technology will not consume his life, then how was he able to build a Hulkbuster (who knows? Maybe he has the Thorbuster ready and lacks a proper energy source), an updated version of the Iron Legion, an updated version of his base suit, in a seemingly short period of time between IM3 and AoU? Not to mention, in the montage where Tony builds Ultron, he seemed very committed to the point of obsession in trying to make Ultron work.

Yeah, the ending of TDW and to a lesser extent TWS were pretty much dropped as well. It seems from this point forward Avengers movies won't focus much on character development and following things previously set up. Until they start allowing these movies to be longer at least.

 

[Dark Raven]

Again, to me the soul purpose for having a Banner and Romanov thing was to have a reason for Hulk to go off the grid and be absent for Civil War.

Perhaps that's why it fell flat in addition to bad chemistry between the actors. I thought Scarlett had much better chemistry with Chris in TWS as well as Renner in the first Avengers.

If Marvel had brought in William Hurt as Thunderbolt Ross earlier, such as in this film, then maybe he could've started up an anti-Hulk task force again following the events in South Africa. That would've been enough to send Hulk off the grid instead of forcing him into a romance with Black Widow.

What would've been even more powerful is if Hulk did something very heroic in the final battle in Sokovia, and yet, despite that, Ross still wanted to hunt the Hulk and showed up to arrest him once Ultron had been defeated. Then Hulk might fight back and leap out of there. That could also have driven the events of Civil War instead of needing yet another event that is the catalyst in that movie. They would have already have set things up instead of wasting more time at the start of that film.

 

[Mr.T]

If Marvel had brought in William Hurt as Thunderbolt Ross earlier, such as in this film, then maybe he could've started up an anti-Hulk task force again following the events in South Africa. That would've been enough to send Hulk off the grid instead of forcing him into a romance with Black Widow.

What would've been even more powerful is if Hulk did something very heroic in the final battle in Sokovia, and yet, despite that, Ross still wanted to hunt the Hulk and showed up to arrest him once Ultron had been defeated. Then Hulk might fight back and leap out of there. That could also have driven the events of Civil War instead of needing yet another event that is the catalyst in that movie. They would have already have set things up instead of wasting more time at the start of that film.

I'm one of the few that liked the Widow Banner romance, but this sounds like a good alternative. Only problem is, it feels like we've seen this exact scenario 1000 times in Hulk movies...

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Rhodey is War Machine again.
I prefer the Iron Patriot.

 

[Spitfire]

If Marvel had brought in William Hurt as Thunderbolt Ross earlier, such as in this film, then maybe he could've started up an anti-Hulk task force again following the events in South Africa. That would've been enough to send Hulk off the grid instead of forcing him into a romance with Black Widow.

What would've been even more powerful is if Hulk did something very heroic in the final battle in Sokovia, and yet, despite that, Ross still wanted to hunt the Hulk and showed up to arrest him once Ultron had been defeated. Then Hulk might fight back and leap out of there. That could also have driven the events of Civil War instead of needing yet another event that is the catalyst in that movie. They would have already have set things up instead of wasting more time at the start of that film.

This is a great idea. Show Hulk being a hero in Sokovia trying to make amends for Johannesberg but still being judged by someone like Ross. He leaves to both protect people and escape imprisonment.

I think other writers/directors may have taken this approach and put their own unique spin on it. But Whedon loves beauty and the beast romances so this was probably what he started with and then built Banner and Widows entire story arc around it.

 

[universeman]

I can think of one thing I didn't like the Hulk/Widow breakup scene, they tried making it like the Steve/Peggy scene in TFA that scene was tragic, beautifully, heartbreaking because they both knew Steve had no choice. While the Hulk/Widow scene wasn't its been four years and Marvel is still torturing us with Steve/Peggy.

 

[Just_Human]

If Ultron was able to get Romanoff




Why didnt he get the cradle ?????

It's not like Barton would have stopped him

Just me?

Did I miss something?