Age of Ultron SPOILERS INSIDE What you didn't like about Avengers: Age of Ultron - Flaws/Critiques

[PunyGod]

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[Mr.T]

I have to agree. I wasn't really feeling Quicksilver at any point. It probably had something to do with how enjoyable he was in Future Past but I couldn't feel much of anything when he died. I was just glad it was him rather than Hawkeye.

The hair highlights and the bad accent may have subconsciously annoyed you.

 

[PunyGod]

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[Lantern Venom]

Strange... one of my chief complaints about the first Avengers was that Hawkeye was barely a character in it. So in this one, they actually take the time to develop him... and all it does is piss people off apparently.

Hawkeye's inclusion in the Avengers movies has been a rare mistake for Marvel. The character just isn't very interesting, especially stretched out over several movies. Marvel could have just as easily have taken a character from the AoS show and given him/her the "secret family-on-a-farm" storyline and Age of Ultron wouldn't have lost anything.

 

[PunyGod]

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[Lantern Venom]

He would be more interesting if he had the cockiness from the comics and the current cartoon. The movie version is pretty generic.

The only time I've read a comic with Hawkeye where he was even remotely interesting was Old Man Logan. His appearance in Thor should have served as his one and only appearance in the MCU. There were plenty of better choices as members of the team.

 

[Elayis]

Opening sequence (felt cartoonish & silly), Widow/Hulk romance, Quicksilver's death, train save (unnecessary), download/countdown bit (overused & trite), jokes that seems out-of-character or ill-timed, Iron Man fixing a tractor & Cap chopping wood (banal).

Another big thing was how often the Avengers stopped what they were doing to save a civilian or two, yet didn't do it consistently and many people still died. My gripe is that the time spent with these distractions meant Ultron (or Hulk) had more time to kill a/o further his plan.

What's more important, ending the threat as soon as possible, or wasting time saving a few people while the bad guy is busy killing or threatening countless more?

 

[DanielFM]

Cap chopping wood (banal).

What? Seriously? One of the strongest foreshadowings of Civil War and it was banal to you?
It was a very good excuse to have Steve and Tony share their views of how the world should be handled. For me, one of the highlights of the movie.

And seeing Cap tear a big log with his bare hands was pure eye candy

 

[Elayis]

What? Seriously? One of the strongest foreshadowings of Civil War and it was banal to you?
It was a very good excuse to have Steve and Tony share their views of how the world should be handled. For me, one of the highlights of the movie.

And seeing Cap tear a big log with his bare hands was pure eye candy

I just thought it was silly having superheroes doing everyday chores. The was really the best use of Captain America's time, chopping wood. The scene and dialogue was fine, but the context was eye-rolling.

 

[Jumpman]

The destruction porn in this flick became a problem for me because falseness of it.

Yeah, Whedon and Marvel were taking a poke at MAN OF STEEL. They clearly wanted to avoid that "supposed" controversy. The problem comes from the amount of destruction at play, the comedic tone of some of it with the ULTRON character, the ridiculous hoops they jump through to make sure the Avengers saved everyone, and how that ultimately took away from the threat and menacing nature of ULTRON.

At no point in this are the Avengers not going to win this thing because the villain and threat, while interesting in theory, hold no water because he doesn't follow through on his threats in the film.

There are more issues at play in the film, namely the regressive nature of some of Widow's story but the biggest problem is how unoriginal the narrative is in the MCU and the consequences that aren't dealt with at the end of the film. This is more damning when IRON MAN 2 and WINTER SOLDIER dealt with consequences and fallout within the myth is of the MCU in a logic manner.

And yet, this film is beyond AVENGERS in a lot of areas. ALOT.

 

[DanielFM]

I just thought it was silly having superheroes doing everyday chores. The was really the best use of Captain America's time, chopping wood. The scene and dialogue was fine, but the context was eye-rolling.

They are spending time hidden in a farm. Wood is needed to keep home warm. Two of them volunteered to do it, one of them a near super-human (the difference in rate of chopping showed up t.
I have always found placing superheroes in everyday situations makes for funny and/or interesting situations.

 

[Greens]

I'm gonna copy this from someone else because I completely agree with it:

There wasn't as much drama as I had hoped for given the tone of earlier trailers. Honestly, this whole movie felt like going through the motions and just getting it out of the way. It all goes by so quickly. Klaw was gone no sooner than he had appeared. I wish Wakanda had been the focus of the third act. Then they could have teamed up with the people of Wakanda and their tech to fight off Ultron's waves. Even more focus on team work and trust with a mysterious foreign nation and a certain Prince defending their land from Ultron alongside the Avengers, who would rather evacuate the citizens. That's wishful thinking, partly me hyping myself up too much because I was convinced they wouldn't give away everything in the trailers, but honestly, outside of Vision they basically did give everything away.
There were moments I felt cheated, like when the car fell from the bridge but Thor grabbed it. I want to see him fail, to feel that emotional punch. Instead we get a one liner and everyone's safe. On that same note, hundreds should have died during that Hulk/Iron Man fight. From the action we saw on screen, there's no way there weren't casualties, even if we saw Iron Man grab an elevator full of people or stop one cop from getting killed. Then they move on like nothing happened outside of Banner being guilty and a mention of the authorities possibly putting a warrant out for him in the future. Then we get the big choice later in the film with the citizens on the floating city or the whole of Earth but we don't get to take in the weight of it and how heavy it is on Cap and the rest of the team because two seconds after the choice is presented the helicarrier shows up.
Why the hell did this keep getting compared to Empire Strikes Back? Didn't Whedon himself claim this to be a big game changer with a darker ending? Was it just misdirection, making people think Ultron would get a win of sorts so they'd be surprised when of course he's defeated and no one dies? (outside of Quicksilver, who is surely going to return).

 

[DanielFM]

Hawkeye's inclusion in the Avengers movies has been a rare mistake for Marvel. The character just isn't very interesting, especially stretched out over several movies. Marvel could have just as easily have taken a character from the AoS show and given him/her the "secret family-on-a-farm" storyline and Age of Ultron wouldn't have lost anything.

I think having Hawkeye as the down-to-earth guy, doing his best to help a team of powerful allies, is part of the Avengers greatness.

This quote from the comics sums him up wonderfully: "If I miss, it means I'm just another guy with a bow. It means I have been fooling myself the whole time. And that's why I never miss".

Plus, when everyone is special, no one is. Can you imagine a whole team of cosmics/armor users/supersoldiers/monsters? Boring.

 

[Herolee10]

As much as I enjoyed this film, I felt like they undid some of the things that the previous films had gone to great troubles of establishing in their films.

I mean in "The Avengers", we end the film with the Banner finding a new lease on his life where he realizes that the Hulk can be used as a force for good. Heck, he even took the initiative to go to New York City even after the whole incident on board the Hellcarrier, which showed on how he was able to put the lives of other before his own.

Yet in "Age of Ultron", he wants to go back into hiding and not get involve. I know he was shaken up by Scarlet Witch's powers, but it felt like he took several steps back from his previous progression.

And then you have Fury somewhat resurrecting SHIELD and the Hellcarrier in this film, when you just had him go through a whole arc of letting that part of his life come to an end. Heck, in "Winter Soldier", they had a pretty significant montage shown of him burning his old gear and eye patch away in order to start a new life.

You also have Tony already having several new suits at his disposal and an Iron Legion working for him despite the fact that they made it into such a significant arc for him to destroy all of his suits from "Iron Man 3".

 

[Herolee10]

Also...

1. I feel like Vision should have been introduced earlier on, as a foe to the Avengers as well. We should have seen on how he came to have an appreciation and understanding of Humanity, as opposed to Ultron's views.

2. Thor's side-quest felt very random. Why was he the only one that got a prophetic vision when everyone else just had hallucinations of their past or worst fears come to life?

3. Some shots were presented in fast motion, making it look odd at times in my honest opinion.

4. Personally, I wish we could have had gotten a better glimpse as to how the world felt about the Avengers in general. I mean you had Whedon mentioning on how this film would show on how the world reacts to the idea of such a group existing out there and yet we don't really get anything other than Maria Hill's comments to Tony about how the world felt about them after the incident in South Africa.

5. Also, I get that they were trying to establish that the Avengers had been a working unit for some time, but I really didn't get that impression at all. I think a small montage or news reel, showing the group's exploits after their reunion with each other and before their attack on Strucker's base would have helped establish that notion.

 

[DrCosmic]

Why are Avengers and Avengers 2 the same movie?

Villain turned villainous by one of the Avengers? Check
Villain trying to tear them up from the inside? Check
Villain uses Loki's scepter to get scientist to manipulate the infinity gem for him? Check
Villain desperate and off balance going into the third act? Check
Villain using infinity gem to make the world how he wants it? Check
Villain's henchmen turning and helping the Avengers get control of said gem? Check
Villain obsessed with upstaging Tony Stark? Check
Villain allows himself to get caught by Iron Man because he has a plan? Check
Big memorable fight against the Hulk in the middle of the film? Check
Cap and Iron Man having an ideological spat headed towards violence? Check
Iron Man and Thor having a physical confrontation over Iron Man's irresponsibility? Check
Villain inadvertently creates the thing (Avengers/Vision) that leads to his defeat?
Nick Fury riding in on a helicarrier with Hill at his side? Check
Hulk whoomping villain for comical effect? Check
Cap and Thor side by side battling in the final battle? Check
Final Battle at key location of earlier in the film? Check
Avengers circle up to defend an area? Check

There were a few new things, and all of it was well done, but I feel like Whedon really wanted to do this movie, and just ended up doing a proto version of it first because Avengers 1 had to get made pretty quick respective to it's scale.

There are other minor nitpicks, the consequences of the action were a bit cartoonish at times.

 

[Spitfire]

Are any of you guys married or have ever been in love? Love makes you do/say crazy things and turns the toughest of men into small children.
I really enjoyed the Hulk/Widow love story. It didn't feel forced to me at all but I would've liked to see more story behind it.

Whedon chose the wrong characters to pair for a romance. He was so carried away with a beauty and the beast doomed love affair that he forgot to check if the two characters involved would acually have chemistry on screen.

On paper he tried to create a scenario of two 'monsters' coming together which is nice in theory but was executed horribly. Ruffalo and ScarJo just didn't have the chemistry needed to pull this off. It didn't help that Widow had been seen in previous movies to have great chemistry with two other characters (plus Banner had more chemistry with Stark!).

The fact he had to introduce huge changes to Widows character to use this story was also a mistake. I never want to see this romance ever again in a Marvel movie.

But he introduced a possible romance between Vision and Wanda very well so its not all bad.

 

[Spitfire]

I mean in "The Avengers", we end the film with the Banner finding a new lease on his life where he realizes that the Hulk can be used as a force for good. Heck, he even took the initiative to go to New York City even after the whole incident on board the Hellcarrier, which showed on how he was able to put the lives of other before his own.

Yet in "Age of Ultron", he wants to go back into hiding and not get involve. I know he was shaken up by Scarlet Witch's powers, but it felt like he took several steps back from his previous progression.

And then you have Fury somewhat resurrecting SHIELD and the Hellcarrier in this film, when you just had him go through a whole arc of letting that part of his life come to an end. Heck, in "Winter Soldier", they had a pretty significant montage shown of him burning his old gear and eye patch away in order to start a new life.

Banners poor character development and a lack of connection to SHIELDS story in TWS are criticisms I share.

 

[Steyin]

-Quicksilver dying
-Ultron not really being threatening and underused
-No repercussions/international government reactions shown from the fights. I know this will most likely be addressed in CW, but they should have at least started it here.
-"Avengers assemble" being cut off
-Bruce and Nat romance
-Hulk just leaving at the end. It's about damn time that the Hulk evolve as a character and come into his own, to have a balance between Banner and Hulk. Let him speak, let him be intelligent and in control. Enough of the imperfect "monster" angle; we've had it for 3 films before, end it already.

Also, not a fault of AoU, but my theater didn't show the SW trailer, which pissed me off quite a bit. Boy did we get a ton of **** trailers no one cared about.

 

[AgentGojiraRgr]

-Quicksilver dying
-Ultron not really being threatening and underused
-No repercussions/international government reactions shown from the fights. I know this will most likely be addressed in CW, but they should have at least started it here.
-"Avengers assemble" being cut off
-Bruce and Nat romance
-Hulk just leaving at the end. It's about damn time that the Hulk evolve as a character and come into his own, to have a balance between Banner and Hulk. Let him speak, let him be intelligent and in control. Enough of the imperfect "monster" angle; we've had it for 3 films before, end it already.

Also, not a fault of AoU, but my theater didn't show the SW trailer, which pissed me off quite a bit. Boy did we get a ton of **** trailers no one cared about.

Here too, didn't get the BvSoJ trailer either

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I loved everything EXCEPT the death of Quicksilver.

Hoping there's some way they can bring him back, maybe with one of the Infinity Gems or something....

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

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-"Avengers assemble" being cut off

Oh yeah; and "Avengers Assemble" being cut off. WTH, Whedon?

 

[warhorse78]

I loved everything EXCEPT the death of Quicksilver.

Hoping there's some way they can bring him back, maybe with one of the Infinity Gems or something....

I think this is why it was so stupid, because we know he is coming back. I can feel it in my bones. Like I said, ATJ was too chipper and engaging with the audience during comic con last year for an actor who has his character killed off. He knows he's coming back! Anyone got any details on his contract, how many movies he is slated to be in? That right there can give us some clues.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Can't we just leave people dead once? I mean, come on. We want to bring Quicksilver back, we want to kill Cap just so he can come back in Infinity War, etc. Seriously, the tool of killing characters is useless when you don't keep anyone dead.

 

[warhorse78]

Can't we just leave people dead once? I mean, come on. We want to bring Quicksilver back, we want to kill Cap just so he can come back in Infinity War, etc. Seriously, the tool of killing characters is useless when you don't keep anyone dead.

I agree with some characters. I think Coulsen and Fury should have stayed dead.

But like I said, with Quicksilver, I just feel he's coming back.