SSJ 3 Broli vs SSJ4 Gogeta

[Genesis 1.0]

Quite frankly, we never saw Broli at the heights that we've seen Vegeta or Goku rise but that's probably because had he ever gone that high nobody would have been able to lay a hand on him, as it was he mopped the floor with Vegeta, and Goku at a simple SSJ. So to make things fair we have the pinnacle of power in the GT series, a Fusion of SSJ4 taking on Broli at level 3. Who takes the cake?

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

ssj4 is the biggest jump in power levels

especially if you are taking about a ssj 4 fused being....

i don't think any permutation or combination of any characters up to ssj 3 could take on gogeta in ssj 4 mode...

he was the ultimate being and he knew it, he doesn't even have to fight properly, cause he's practically invincible...

brolli goes down hard if gogeta wants, and he'll take out half the universe in 30 minutes just to prove it...

 

[ssj4 vegetto]

gogeta has more power but if brolly last more than 10mins he will unfuse

 

[Genesis 1.0]

That's an added negative, but looking at the surges of power Broli had just at level 1, the ability to dispatch of all those Saiyans at once, at least Goku and Vegeta looking like they were on Level 2, I'd have to say that at Lv. 3 he'd toss SSJ4 Gogeta around like a toy.

 

[TheStrider]

Nah I think your wrong, Brolly was beaten. Did it ever look like Gogeta was close to losing, or even hurt for that matter?

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Sure he was beaten, but not by simple SSJ power. He wiped the floor with what, 4 guys at their best? After beating the crap out of them Goku does what he does best, draw energy from other people, and then defeated him for the moment, notice he didn't finish the job even though he put everything they all had into it. He outclassed alot of charecters as an INFANT, planet explodes and he saves himself and his father at less than 6 months. Insane as it is, he was born at power level 10,000, which makes him a Super Saiyan at birth. NOBODY competes with that. If you just look through most Anime sites that take a look at all the villans of the franchise, you'll always see Broli ranked as the most powerful, seeing that there has never been one that can destroy multiple galaxies without breaking a sweat, as Absolute Anime put it.

As far the Fusion tiring, kinda hard to gauge since they really weren't trying, so the limit of their power is almost incalcuable. Again, Broli's only been seen on 1 level and he's disposed of the main charecters with relative ease, at lv. 3? Not even this Fusion stands a chance, not even at 4. There has never been anyone in the DBZ/GT universe that can do what Broli did at Lv1, hell at Lv. 2!

Broli is literally raw power.

 

[Toxin]

Well, I'm pretty sure Gogeta is nearly invincible, but Broly would likely win. His power is just unfathomable, as Genesis explains.

 

[X-Ray]

SSJ 3 Broli ... becuz when the 2 saiyans merge they tend to waste time and before you know time's up ...

 

[saiyan jedi]

*edit*

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Another valid point thrown into the mix, looking at the power levels of both charecters, I can tell you that it's going to take far more than 10 minutes to take Broli down. Once they're forced to De-Fuse, you might as well call the undertaker.

 

[saiyan jedi]

well ssj4 goku and vegeta are still very strong.. and there still a whole ssj level above brolly , maybe they can do it.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

When Broli's born at SSJ power, there's a default between him and any other charecter. It wouldn't be fair for me to pit them at equal levels because we saw him decimate both Goku and Vegeta (who seemed to rise to SSJ2) and with relative ease, not to mention Trunks and Piccolo. Goku was only able to beat him that once because he drew on the powers of the others, as usual, so it was not his own SSJ strength that did the job.

Broli's SSJ is equivalent to another Saiyan's SSJ2, again he destroys galaxies like he's popping pimples. Vegeta is my all time favorite charecter and I'm a bit biased towards him at times, and yes he's insanely powerful, as is Goku, but they just can't pull this one off without gathering more energy from the rest of the universe and I can tell you Broli won't fall for that again.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

SSJ 3 Broli ... becuz when the 2 saiyans merge they tend to waste time and before you know time's up ...

when the time runs out, it no longer becomes brolli against ssj 4 gogeta and hence the battle in the way we know it is void...

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

Sure he was beaten, but not by simple SSJ power. He wiped the floor with what, 4 guys at their best? After beating the crap out of them Goku does what he does best, draw energy from other people, and then defeated him for the moment, notice he didn't finish the job even though he put everything they all had into it. He outclassed alot of charecters as an INFANT, planet explodes and he saves himself and his father at less than 6 months. Insane as it is, he was born at power level 10,000, which makes him a Super Saiyan at birth. NOBODY competes with that. If you just look through most Anime sites that take a look at all the villans of the franchise, you'll always see Broli ranked as the most powerful, seeing that there has never been one that can destroy multiple galaxies without breaking a sweat, as Absolute Anime put it.

As far the Fusion tiring, kinda hard to gauge since they really weren't trying, so the limit of their power is almost incalcuable. Again, Broli's only been seen on 1 level and he's disposed of the main charecters with relative ease, at lv. 3? Not even this Fusion stands a chance, not even at 4. There has never been anyone in the DBZ/GT universe that can do what Broli did at Lv1, hell at Lv. 2!

Broli is literally raw power.

a power level of ten thousand doesn't make one a super saiyan....

ss power levels are way higher than that...



and you have to remember, goku's power drawing is seen to be an addition of power to his own. A fusion is the multiplication of the two individuals power levels. the increase in potential power of a fused being is silly to even start to observe...

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

Another valid point thrown into the mix, looking at the power levels of both charecters, I can tell you that it's going to take far more than 10 minutes to take Broli down. Once they're forced to De-Fuse, you might as well call the undertaker.

10 minutes is a long time in db....

frieza and super saiyan gokus fight lasted less than ten minutes....

besides goku had been fighting previously so he wasn't exactly at full power when the fusion occured, which would probably grant them so more time if goku and vegeta both fused at their maximum equal power levels

 

[Genesis 1.0]

a power level of ten thousand doesn't make one a super saiyan....

ss power levels are way higher than that...



and you have to remember, goku's power drawing is seen to be an addition of power to his own. A fusion is the multiplication of the two individuals power levels. the increase in potential power of a fused being is silly to even start to observe...

http://www.absoluteanime.com/dragon_ball/brolly.htm Must be flawed information then. When I watched the movie (damn that was a long time ago) I couldn't tell what the hell level he was and it never actually said regarding his infancy, so I assumed that his Battle Power and ranking was correct after surfing the net and finding that site. Ah well, 10,000 still gives him a platform that far outclasses any other Saiyan. I'm still in doubt over that, since even as an infant he survived the planet's destruction and was able to erect a shield for his father as well. From what I've read elsewhere he reached SSJ at an accelerated rate, far before Goku.

In any case, the gap between even a Fused SSJ4 at full power does not dwarf what we've never even seen Broli achieve at the lowest levels of SSJ, so I think it's completely possible that he could defeat Gogeta, and a battle of magnitude would certainly last more than 10 minutes. Frieza had transformations, trash talking, mind games, and then the letting down of guard on Goku's part, which can stretch a battle out farther than need be.

There has yet to be one single Z charecter that's defeated Broli alone, in an even playing field. Goku needed other's energy and Gohan needed Goku's spirit for aid.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

ten thousand is definitely not a super saiyan's power level.

besides all the half breed male saiyans reached their super saiyan power levels way before goku did as well, it's no biggie. saying this, relative to goten and trunks, i don't know how young brolli would have been when he turned super saiyan for the first time...

the thing is the fight could only last as long as the fusion between goku and vegeta, after the fusion dies out, then the battle becomes void. so in the interest of the thread, let us assume the fusion lasts as long as the battle requires it to...

and there has yet to be a single character that has put a hair out of place in super saiyan four gogeta, not even the combined power of all the dragonballs. I think because we don't see him fight in the normal sense, he is being well and truelly underestimated here....

the only character stronger than gogeta is potentially vegetto

 

[Genesis 1.0]

A viable suggestion, the Fusion stands for the entirety of the battle.

Whereas SSJ4 Goget has only fought one charecter (giving the transformation a half-life when it comes to comparison), Broli has gone through the gauntlet of power players and remained unscathed, again in a level fight. In the world of power players, Pojo's always claimed that Mystic Gohan was stronger than Goku at SSJ3, meanwhile in GT it was implied that next to Goku, Vegeta is the next most powerful regardless of the afore statement, so the Fusion at Lv4 isn't the equalizer with Broli at 3.

Broli has taken out the top 3 guys in the series, bar none, and he was only level 1. It's only logical to assume that he'd be on par with this Fusion, at best to be equals. The tie breaker is the mind set, Broli has such a hatred for Goku that he'd pull out all the stops, destroy galaxies to get it done. As long as Goku is in a Fusion he always has a habit of either holding back or getting soft and that will be the death of him and Vegeta as long as they're fused.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

alright, i'll go with brolli having the power of a fused being on his own, but a fused being of a similar power level....


you have to remember that a golden oozaru is supposed to have this obscene power level, a power level great enough to destroy itself. goku is stronger than this on his own, let alone fused again with another being with the same strength abilities.

if you were talking about ssj4 four goku or vegeta on their own, or even fighting together against ssj3 brolli as separate entities, i would believe for the bout to be more even...


i don't think it matters how soft gogeta is, he is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up there in my eyes. he was just drastically played down

and with goku comes a being with decades of fighting experience with goku and a hardcore mindset that comes from vegeta's side. when things would eventually get down to business, i think brolli would be way out of his depth.

but that's just the way i see it

 

[Genesis 1.0]

It'd be a squash if they were the same level. After Broli returns to the scene, still at Lv1, he decimated Gohan (at the time, strongest guy in the known universe) who as was at Lv2 without too much of a problem. So it stands to reason that anyone he faces has to be a level up, you said yourself that he has the power of a fused being on his own, therefore this battle stands to reason that at the very least it's an even bout.

Also, looking at Broli's structure, and the bulk he has it reminds me of SSJ Stage 2, while on level 1. You remember when Goku, Vegeta, & Trunks did that, they all bulked up and the power was off the charts but they were alot slower, sometimes called Ultra SSJ? The one thing that dissuades me from that theory is that Broli was faster than any of the Z warriors in any given encounter.

In any case, I can see we aren't going to see eye to eye on this. So I'll agree to disagree.

 

[TheStrider]

If I remember right, it was said somewhere that Brolly wasn't exactly SSJ, he was something different, I think he was like SSJ2 1/2, or as the games like to call it LSSJ.

 

[saiyan jedi]

yes thats right!nopoweer limit!

 

[Guyverjay]

Goku, Vegeta, every saiyan there were SSJ1 NOT 2.

SSJ2 Gohan would have kicked all the Z warriors ass's simultaneously at the cell games if he had wanted to when he first transformed. Big deal

Brolli is a high end USSJ nothing more

SSJ4 Gogeta would ass ream SSJ3 Brolli. In fact I think SSJ2 Vegetto would also ass kick SSJ3 Brolli (even though there is no such thing)

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Heh, love how you state your ego driven opinon as fact, absolutelt adorable.

Broli's 2nd movie, he sought out and beat the hell out of SSJ2 Gohan, your explanation for a man that's a 'high end USSJ and nothing more?". At that stage Gohan obviosuly had surpassed the deceased Goku and he was dismantled like all the rest, even with his elevated level over Broli. Once again it took aid to defeat Broli, and it still stands that he's never been beaten 1 on 1 with any charecter, their strength alone against his.

We never saw Broli ascend to 2, much less three, but from what we have seen the man can be down an entire level and still beat the living hell out of the competition. As it's already been conceded, Broli has the power of fused being on his own. You do the math Jay, 1 level down against a Fused being and it's a draw at best.

 

[TheStrider]

Well I like Guyver he is a good guy, but his opinions are fact in his mind :P