Guardians of the Galaxy Starlord's Pops

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Why wouldn't they use J'son? He has potential for being a multi-movie character. He could show up in Captain Marvel, for example.

I have to agree, its not like J'son is a bad character or anything, and he could be involved in many storylines involving other cosmic characters. We will see how it plays out I guess.

 

[Xeno-noesis]

I would place my bet on Starhawk. An "angel" with wings of light, ancient and "never seen before". And James Gunn has said in the past that Starhawk was one of his favorite characters growing up. I'm trying to find the articles but I recall reading it from two separate sources.

Mar-Vell is Kree, right? I'm pretty sure Nova has seen their DNA already.

Adam Warlock as his father would be extremely awkward in the film universe (and a quick cop-out, imo), seeing as he was in a cocoon decades AFTER Quill was born.

 

[SuperSanchez]

I reckon his father is Darth Vader

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Do we know when Warlock went into the cocoon?

 

[Super Jim]

Alright, so when I started this thread I was just speculating that Starlord's dad was not J'Son. Many said "nope, you're wring, it's J'Son", but I believe it has since been confirmed. I also speculated that his mom's cancer was caused by the energy of Starlord's father and/or technology and then I speculated as to the different ideas of who could be his father based on the evidence that we have. Most of the concepts I investigated and provided background information, but for some I didn't get to that point.

That's what I'm going to try to do now...

These are all ideas that I previously speculated on as possibilities to Starlord's pops...

Captain Mar-Vel (or just Captain Marvel)



Background: The Kree sent Captain Mar-Vel to spy on Earth to see if it was a threat. After saving humanity a few times he was found guilty of treason by the Kree and sentenced to death. He steals a ship and gets away, though becomes lost in space.

Ronan the Accuser and the Kree Minister find him and use him to overthrow the Supreme Intelligence. They gave him the updated costume and enhanced abilities. After the overthrow is stopped he tries to return to Earth, but is hit by a blast of radiation that traps him in the negative zone.

The Supreme Intelligence, for some reason, contacts Rick Jones (yup, the Hulk's Rick Jones) and leads him to a set of Kree "Nega-Bands" which allows him to swop places with Captain Mar-Vel for a couple of hours.

Later, Jones gets help from Mr. Fantastic to help Captain Mar-Vel escape the Negative Zone. He then gets caught up in the whole Kree-Skrull War.

He's been involved in a fight against Thanos over the Cosmic Cube, and this dude named Eon (actually, he's some cosmic entity - which would likely be an energy that the NOVA Corps would not know) gave him even better powers so he could be the Protector of the Universe. He also died at one point when caught up in affairs between Thanos and Death.

Also of note, at one point he was exposed to something called Compound 13 which gave him cancer...

Powers: The original Mar-Vel had no powers, other than normal Kree strenghth. He did have a uni-beam gun that allowed him to shoot energy beams and control magnetism.

When that whole Supreme Intelligence overthrow thing happened he received the powers to teleport anywhere in the universe and to project illusions. He lost these when he got the Nega-Bands.

The Nega-Bands converted his psionic energy into strength, durability, faster than light speed travel and the ability to exist in space.

After Eon amped him up he used a solar absorbtion ability to fly, which would leave a sparkling energy trail when he flew. (Kind of sounds like a "being of pure energy" or an "angel"?).

Quasar



Background: Wendell Vaughn was once a lowly SHIELD agent. SHIELD had found these things called Quantum Bands and were testing them when AIM robots attacked. Wendell put the quantum bands on and figured out how to use them (they can not be removed) and defeated the attack. He became one of Nick Fury's Super-Agents.

On atrip to space to determine where the bands came from he was contacted by Eon, the guardian of cosmic awareness (seeing a trend here?). Quasar became the Protector of the Universe (inheriting the title from the deceased Captain Mar-Vel).

Eon charged Quasar with preventing his murder, which he was not able to do, though he did prevent Maelstrom from destroying the universe in some huge black hole.

Later Captain America asked him to join the Avengers, though he found his responsibilities as Protector of the Universe often got in the way of serving as an Avenger.

Powers: The bands give him faster than light speed travel and tremendous energy manipulation. He can also Quantum Jump, effectively transporting anywhere in the universe through the Quantum Zone.

Adam Warlock

Background: Adam is a genetically engineered being whose physiology and metabolism absorb and harness ambient cosmic energy. He was born from a cocoon at a scientific complex known as the beehive.

Some have indicated that this cocoon was shown in the Thor movie, and/or as one of the Collector's items. It was supposedly confirmed that the cocoon in the Collector's collection was Warlock's.

The Enclave were trying to create the perfect human and exploit him. He became aware of this while in the cocoon and when he was born he rebelled.

He then got mixed up with Thor and was destroyed when he tried to force Sif to mate with him (now that would be an interesting story for Thor 3).

The High Evolutionary revivied him and gave him purpose. He also got the Soul Gem, one of the Infinity Gems. Sure seems like this guy fits into this whole Thanos storyline, huh?

Gamora was actually raised by Thanos to assassinate Magus, a warped future version of Warlock. She helped Adam Warlock, along with Pip the Troll (can't wait to see how they do this guy) defeat Magus and then Thanos had her become Warlock's bodyguard. She was attacked by Drax, but escaped. When she found out Thanos planned to destroy the universe as a present to Mistress Death she tried to kill him, but he killed her instead.

Adam Warlock found her barely clinging onto life and absorbed her consciousness into the soul gem.

Warlock released Gamora to have her be one of the Infinity Watch (what a great name for a future movie).

I will say, of all of the possibilities, the idea of Adam Warlock being Starlord's father is one of the least likely, IMO, in spite of it currently being the second most popular choice in the poll after J'Son (which has supposedly been verified as not happening)!

 

[Brian Braddock]

Posted.in another thread previously:

I now think that Starhawk will end up being Peter's dad. Explains Gunns comments about making sure Yondu's place in everything makes sense [i.e. he'd be the link provided via Starhawk ala the original GoTG line up] and the whole 'angel made out of light thing' that Quilll's mum described about his father.

So yeah, I'm going with Starhawk too.

 

[Super Jim]

Well, I believe the statements of 'he was made of pure energy' and 'he was my angel' could fit numerous options. Currently I'm very much leaning towards Starfox, Captain Marvel, Quasar or some form of Nova, but Starhawk is an interesting option, especially since Marvel has been promoting certain characters that they normally do not. For example:




Think about this...

Avengers? Yup.

Guardians? Yup.

Spiderman? Sure (and I'm actually surprised that he's there).

Ironfist? Really?

Ms. Marvel? Hmm...

Nova? Interesting.

And who is that in the top right? Is that Black Bolt? Really?

It sure seems that Marvel is on an anti-Fox kick right now. No F4 or Wolverine in this promo is very telling, as is some of the more obscure characters that they included. For them to include Nova, Ms. Marvel, Ironfist and Black Bolt; I believe it's clear that these characters will be coming our way on the big screen in the not so distant future.

So, people are thinking Starhawk for Starlord's pops, huh?

Let's look at him...

Now this guy is obscure. I'll admit, I didn't even know him, and I thought I knew all of the Marvel-verse...

So according to the Wikipedia site on this guy he is the son of Quasar and Kismit in the Earth 691 timeline. Kidnapped as a baby, he was deposited on the planet Arcturus IV. The last mutant couple on the planet found him and raised him, until they were slain by the Reavers of Arcturus. One of the Reavers discovered the infant and thinking he was just a normal (non-mutant) Arcturian, took him and raised him. When he was around 18 years old he and his adoptive sister Aleta reanimated a dormant diety and were physically transformed. The took turns occupying the same physical space while the other was in some sort of limbo.

Guess he has been involved with the Guardians from the future and has traveled back in time to the 20th century.

Powers seem similar to some of the others I've covered in that it energy control, flight, surviving in the vacuum of space, etc.

Personally, I prefer the Aleta version, which I do remember from the comics:

So although this guy seems to possibly match, he matches just as much, if not less than others like Captain Mar-Vel or Quasar. IMO, his backstory isn't that great and would be more difficult to incorporate into the next GotG movie than other characters. Personally I'd give Starhawk a 20% possibility to be Starlord's pops, while others like Captain Mar-Vel and Quasar would get 85% to 90% ratings. I'd actually rate the Beyonder's liklihood higher than Starhawk's, but that's just me...

 

[cph9fa]

Mar-Vell and Quasar I rate as relatively low probability due them being Kree and Terran respectively, and thus not unknown to Xandar. Warlock just feels wrong. Starhawk is an interesting and obscure choice, and might make sense in the context of Yondu's cooperation. But I still think an Eternal makes the most sense. "Master of the Sun" is another obscure possibility.

 

[Super Jim]

I agree that Warlock feels wrong.

And yes, Mar-Vel and Quasar are Kree and Terran, but it's their powers that could be unknown to the Nova Corps.

I'm just not a fan of the whole Starhawk story and feel there are plenty of other characters that could come into play in the next GotG movie.

Truthfully, my main pick currently is Starfox. There are just so many reasons why this one makes sense, including:

- The name. Starfox and then mom calling Peter Starlord. Almost derivitive.

- Being Thanos' brother, it seems like he could be applicable in the coming stories.

- Gamora's comment of "pelvic sorcery". Be honest, that was so forced it wasn't funny. Add in the fact that Gamora, having been raised by Thanos, could be in a position to know about Starlord's lineage.

- In the comics it was Starfox who teamed with the Avengers to take Thanos down.

- He is known for wandering space searching for romance and adventure.

- As an Eternal he has the ability to manipulate cosmic energy, flight and pleasure stimulation. Some of these seem to align with the concept of being an "angel" and being "pure energy".

The main con of Starfox being Starlord's pop is the statement that the Nova Corps do not know the pysiology of Starlord's father, and one would assume that they would be more than aware of Thanos' psyiology, and thus Starfox's.

Now, focusing on the fact that Nova did not know Peter's father's psyiology, and the statements that were made, one other very likely scenerio is that the Beyonder is actually Starlord's father. Hear me out on this one...

The Beyonder



The Beyonder is one of the most powerful beings of the Marvel universe. He was an Inhuman of Attilan and a mutant. Exposure of his mutant genes to something called the Terrigen Mists, a mutation causing vapor, had created an unprecedented reaction, bestowing upon him seemingly godlike abilities and granted him amazing power and knowledge beyond all of the other Inhumans. It also erased him from the other Inhumans' memories, including their leader Blackbolt.

He ended up getting pulled to Earth and their observed the Earthlings, discovering that the driving force of sentience is desire, something previously unknown to him.

To investigate the nature of desire the Beyonder caused the Secret Wars, a story that many, including myself, has always felt would make a great movie. As most of you know he took many of Earth's super-powered heroes, and many of their villians, and placed them on Battleworld, a planet he created for his experiment.

The drawback for Marvel as far as a movie of this nature is that the X-Men and the Fantastic Four were a big part of the story and are owned by Fox. Almost seems like a reason for Marvel to start making changes to their comics in order to try to kill the draw to the Fox movies. Changes such as canceling a certain comic and no longer using certain characters in their promos.

Anyway, if you look at the Secret Wars story I think you'll agree that they could still do it since the Avengers were the main piece of the story. Here are the characters still available, that were part of the original story:

Hulk
Captain America
Captain Marvel
Hawkeye
Ironman (it was actually Ironman 2 - Jim Rhodes)
She-Hulk (you know she'll be coming into things soon)
Spiderwoman (hmm...)
Thing
Thor
Wasp

And the villains were:

Absorbing Man
Enchantress
Kang the Conquerer
Klaw
Molecule Man
Titania
Ultron
Volcana
The Wrecking Crew

And the Beyonder, of course.

Unfortunately, a main piece of the story was Magneto and Doctor Doom, characters that Marvel can't use currently. I would imagine they can't use Galactus either. And spiderman is off limits...

But the story could still be done, I believe...

Anyway, months after the Secret Wars, the Beyonder arrived on Earth to continue his study of humanity and of desire. He had never possessed a true form of his own before, but now he created for himself a physical form in order that he could walk amongst humanity and fulfill his own desire for experience in this world.

I could so easily see the Beyonder's story being told in how he went to Earth and wanted to experience desire (and love - sure, throw that in). Gave himself a physical form and met and "fell in love with" Peter's mom. They conceived Peter (afterall, being omnipotent, he could do anything) and he went off in search of something else.

The Beyonder's powers are crazy. They include:

- The general ability to manipulate reality
- Vast psionic abilities
- Can easily change states of matter
- Superhuman strength of such an extent that it is potentially incalculable
- Regenerate damage done to his body by simply willing it repaired
- His powers are vaguely unlimited, and have no clearly defined extent
- Teleportation
- Flight
- The ability to choose his own physical resistances and attributes
- The ability to move others from one place to another via teleportation
- He can make or destroy multiverse with his thoughts.

Now here are the reasons why I could see this one being the case:

1. The Beyonder is an interesting character that could play into some pretty interesting stories

2. Definitely a being that the Nova Corps would not know of

3. The idea of an omnipotent being wanting to experience desire (and love), thus creating Peter Quill, would be interesting.

4. The Beyonder's powers could definitely fit the whole "pure energy" and "angel" statements.

The main evidence against this idea is the fact that Yondu was sent to get Peter, and I would imagine that an omnipotent being wouldn't require Yondu, or anyone for that matter, to run an errand for him.

I give the Beyonder as Peter's pops a 60% statistic. Still feeling strong about Starfox, or Mar-Vel, Quasar or Nova...

 

[Super Jim]

So based on the above, is there any reason that you can think of that would have an omnipotent being, like the Byonder, send Yondu to get his son instead of just going himself?

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

It sure seems that Marvel is on an anti-Fox kick right now. No F4 or Wolverine in this promo is very telling

 

[jimonb]

This may have been suggested, but I think star lords father is also Skye's.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Who is Skye?

 

[Donut]

Im thinking the Agents Of SHIELD chick

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Oh. Thanks

 

[marcvader]

Um, try using an actual Marvel picture of Starhawk. The picture above is ridiculous.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Kind of hard to say who it will be considering Marvel doesn't have a problem changing their characters for the movies. Starfox being the father does have a certain appeal to it, but I kind of wish they had just stuck with J'son.

Starhawk seems like the best bet at the moment though because of Gunn's fondness for the character.

 

[Super Jim]

^ Just don't see the value of Starhawk being his father.

Oh, here's a better Starhawk pic (thought the one above was funny):

Hey, I could have gone with this:



Anyway, IMO, Starhawk's background is a bit out there and difficult unless you've first introduced certain characters, like Quasar, and then you'ld have to get into the whole Hawk God thing. All of that seems to be off the main track...

At the same time, the male/female, dual persons occupying the same space is an interesting concept, I'm just not so sure it would play well on the big screen. Most of us (guys) would rather just see Aleta...

But when you really think about it, storylines that pertain to Thanos or to the Nova Corps would just fit in so well in these movies. This is where I think we'll find the answer of Star Lord's pop.

The Eternals story is going to be major, afterall Thanos is an Eternal. The Eternals play right into the Celestials, which we've already seen, twice.

The fact that Starfox is Thanos' brother seems an obvious story plot, and as much as people might hate the idea, making Star-Lord related to Thanos is intriguing.

In addition, Captain Mar-Vel and Adam Warlock are both very intwined in the Thanos storylines, it's obvious they will need to come into things. I still find it difficult to believe that Adam Warlock is Starlord's pop, but Mar-Vel is a possibility.

My feeling is that the Infinity Guantlet story is where we are heading. In many ways it's the best story about the inifinity gems. At the end I see Adam Warlock, who will, of course, need to have been introduced prior, in ownership of the Guantlet. This would leave Thanos defeated, but able to be brought back as one of the Infinity Watch (maybe).

This would be like the end of Phase 3 of these Marvel movies. They could then move on to Phase 4, and a good end story might be the Infinity Watch and/or the Infinity War. This would be the whole Magus story, which is pretty interesting with Adam Warlock being center stage (wonder who will play him?)...

One concept that would be cool is how once a year Thanos and Eros call a truce and come together to exchange gifts. I could see that being used. Maybe in an after credits scene?

As far as Quasar, I could see his story first being shown in the Agents of Shield TV show, either as a flashback (maybe one that pertains to Skye's lineage) or as a current story. The Quantum Bands are very interesting and would play well onscreen.

Nova is intwined in the whole NOVA Corps story, so I could see him coming into things (even if Gunn, or whomever thinks his helmet is stpuid). Bringing Nova in could lead to a New Warriors tv show or movie...

Right now I'm still giving Starfox my top spot in liklihood for Star Lord's pop. Captain Mar-Vel, Quasar, and Blackbolt make up the 2 - 4 spots, with the Beyonder and Nova in spots 5 and 6. Starhawk and his obscure background is just barely in my top 10.

Something to think about...

With the statements made in the movie about Star Lord's dad, it seems very obvious they already know who that will end up being. As always, they will not just give us the answer. Any name they drop is likely NOT to be the one...

Back in April Gunn stated something about liking Starhawk when talking about other GotG. Many were speculating that he would be in Guardians, but he was not...

Here is what was stated:

"There is so many great characters that are not in the movie. There is some great original Guardians. I love Starhawk."

To me, it seems that the plan all along was to not have Peter's father in this movie, so if Starhawk was possibly going to be one of the Guardians in this movie, that would mean he isn't Peter's dad...

 

[SlamAdams]

I just assumed it would be J-son, but when Gunn said "it's not the character from the book" or however he said it, I thought the people suggesting Adam Warlock weren't far off. That's my bet for now.

 

[cph9fa]

This may have been suggested, but I think star lords father is also Skye's.

For the record, Quill was born in '80, and abducted in '88. Skye was either born in '89 or '90. So I guess when Yondu failed to return with Quill, Pops just decided to go have another half-Terran kid. t:

I mentioned earlier the possibility of the "Master of the Sun". Here's another site that came to that same conclusion, though I don't necessarily agree with all his speculations.

If I had to assign probabilities to my guesses, it would look something like this:
- 75% Starfox (or some other Eternal?)
- 15% Master of the Sun
- 5% Starhawk (or some other original Guardian?)
- 5% Quasar/Mar-Vell/Nova/Warlock/Beyonder/other also-rans.

 

[fixxxer]

^ I was about to write a lengthy Quill-Pops-Power-Rankings post myself, but cph9fa has me covered. Mine would look very similar.

Points against a couple of folks...

Warlock: I think the best evidence against is what someone said a few posts above... it just feels wrong. That and he is (was?) tucked away in a cocoon in Knowhere.

Beyonder: Yea, the Beyonder hiring Yondu for whatever reason makes little sense. Neither would Youndu calling the Beyonder a jackass. Also, being the son of (basically) god would take away from Quill's everyman charm.

 

[SlamAdams]

Who knows how long Warlock has been in the cocoon?

 

[Super Jim]

In th comics the cocoon was where he was born. He was effectively grown within the cocoon.

I guess they could make his cocoon some form of regenerative thingee (which was used in the comics also), but if they stick to the comics then that cocoon could be from the beehive where he was originally born.

I think the better question is how long ago was he born out of the cocoon? Would the Collector want to have the cocoon post Adam being born? I could see it being valuable with Adam contained, but post? I guess so, but less so.

Also, Adam Warlock is just a perfect human, a species that the NOVA Corps would know plenty about. His powers are Quantum Energy Manipulation and Matter Manipulation, as well as soul powers when he has the gem. Maybe the Quantum powers would be what NOVA was not recognizing, but that seems a bit of a stretch...

 

[SlamAdams]

I was under the impression he's been in and out of the cocoon.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Well, Drax has a complicated origin in the comics that they somewhat did away with for the movie. So I could see them simplifying the backgrounds of other characters for the sake of making them fit as Peter's father. It's why I'm leaning on Gunn's personal preferences as the best clues for who the mysterious father might be.