State your unpopular video game opinion...

[Soapy]

I think I put 80 hours into the first Borderlands. I wouldn't say I was "in love" with it necessarily, but I did really enjoy my time with it.

 

[KevanG]

Some of my friends were in love with the games but I never understood the point of them. Of course I like my 'pick flowers for 30 hours to boost a skill you'll never use and spend 90% of the game wandering about being an explorer' games and they get bored with those.

 

[Soapy]

What games are those?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Laid off is a nice way to say fired

no it ain't. i was gonna explain it but I saw enough other posters already did

Yes it is

no it ain't. if it were, millions of others would be holding the same grudge you do. you're buggin out

 

[KevanG]

What games are those?

Fallout, Skyrim, Oblivion, the usual 1000 hour games.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

When you've got a family and a mortgage the possibility of getting fired is a huge deal! These guys aren't yet that powerful enough individually or they would be starting their own company and taking all the risks and getting all the rewards. If Mass Effect fails EA will have to cover the loss and with that removal of risk for Bioware comes the right of the parent company to make demands, even if it isn't in the interests of gamers. Even the guys who want to do good by gamers, they care about their own families and financial security more!

It's a team of 100+ people ain't it? If they all collectively say the same **** to their boss I doubt he'd have the balls to ****in fire 'em all, especially when he needs them, you know. They got the power

I've been following reviewtechusa a lot lately, apparently the Ps3 was supposed to ship without a GPU, and naughtydog warned Sony and said you HAVE to put a GPU in it. and sony listened.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

The game felt like they took the worst parts of MMOs and threw it on a mediocre shooter. I never felt invested in the world or the characters which sucks because the world is cool. I'm far more interested in tales of the borderlands over anything gearbox does with the series.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The game felt like they took the worst parts of MMOs and threw it on a mediocre shooter. I never felt invested in the world or the characters which sucks because the world is cool. I'm far more interested in tales of the borderlands over anything gearbox does with the series.

are you talking about destiny?

 

[Iceman]

It's a team of 100+ people ain't it? If they all collectively say the same **** to their boss I doubt he'd have the balls to ****in fire 'em all, especially when he needs them, you know. They got the power

I've been following reviewtechusa a lot lately, apparently the Ps3 was supposed to ship without a GPU, and naughtydog warned Sony and said you HAVE to put a GPU in it. and sony listened.

Uh, Microsoft just laid off 18,000 people. I don't know many adults who would gamble with their family's livelihood for the well being of gamers. It's fine to start doing that kind of thing AFTER you're financially secure.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Uh, Microsoft just laid off 18,000 people. I don't know many adults who would gamble with their family's livelihood for the well being of gamers. It's fine to start doing that kind of thing AFTER you're financially secure.

there's more to these things than what we hear about, man.

 

[Iceman]

there's more to these things than what we hear about, man.

More to what? Announced corporate layoffs or people putting art above their own livelihood?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

More to what? Announced corporate layoffs or people putting art above their own livelihood?

are we talking about layoffs or developers actually giving a voice for themselves and collectively telling their publishers that they NEED more time to perfect their product?

 

[Iceman]

are we talking about layoffs or developers actually giving a voice for themselves and collectively telling their publishers that they NEED more time to perfect their product?

Delays cost a LOT of money! Imagine the costs of running the whole Mass Effect operation for what an extra 6 months? And it's fine if these guys want to perfect their product by taking taking longer but are they all prepared to work for free during that time and contribute towards the office rental, heating, lighting, computer equipment, etc?

Plus for e.g. Destiny made $500m in a few days already. If they had delayed that by 6 months then that's the interest on $500m gone plus the risks involved in not having that cash-flow at the expected time. Delays make cash flows unpredictable and make it much harder to deal with expenses and to raise cheap finance (borrow) for future projects. They could easily make smaller firms bankrupt with everyone losing their jobs. At a company the size of EA's it might just mean a contained number of layoffs and cost cutting here and there. The money has to come from somewhere.

For me the gamer I agree with you...I'd prefer if every game was delayed until it was absolutely perfect. But the evil corporations are the ones who have to pay out of their own pocket to fund these fantasies and the extra dev time and have to deal with the opportunity cost of that team being paid and not working on something else, and when the big corp loses money people lose jobs.

 

[Havok83]

Delays cost a LOT of money! Imagine the costs of running the whole Mass Effect operation for what an extra 6 months? And it's fine if these guys want to perfect their product by taking taking longer but are they all prepared to work for free during that time and contribute towards the office rental, heating, lighting, computer equipment, etc?

Plus for e.g. Destiny made $500m in a few days already. If they had delayed that by 6 months then that's the interest on $500m gone plus the risks involved in not having that cash-flow at the expected time. Delays make cash flows unpredictable and make it much harder to deal with expenses and to raise cheap finance (borrow) for future projects. They could easily make smaller firms bankrupt with everyone losing their jobs. At a company the size of EA's it might just mean a contained number of layoffs and cost cutting here and there. The money has to come from somewhere.

For me the gamer I agree with you...I'd prefer if every game was delayed until it was absolutely perfect. But the evil corporations are the ones who have to pay out of their own pocket to fund these fantasies and the extra dev time and have to deal with the opportunity cost of that team being paid and not working on something else, and when the big corp loses money people lose jobs.

This and that there's also investors that want a return on their investment. All these publicly traded companies have to answer to that. Its a big issue if they cant deliver numbers by the end of the fiscal period, especially if a certain big game is budgeted for that

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Delays cost a LOT of money! Imagine the costs of running the whole Mass Effect operation for what an extra 6 months? And it's fine if these guys want to perfect their product by taking taking longer but are they all prepared to work for free during that time and contribute towards the office rental, heating, lighting, computer equipment, etc?

Plus for e.g. Destiny made $500m in a few days already. If they had delayed that by 6 months then that's the interest on $500m gone plus the risks involved in not having that cash-flow at the expected time. Delays make cash flows unpredictable and make it much harder to deal with expenses and to raise cheap finance (borrow) for future projects. They could easily make smaller firms bankrupt with everyone losing their jobs. At a company the size of EA's it might just mean a contained number of layoffs and cost cutting here and there. The money has to come from somewhere.

For me the gamer I agree with you...I'd prefer if every game was delayed until it was absolutely perfect. But the evil corporations are the ones who have to pay out of their own pocket to fund these fantasies and the extra dev time and have to deal with the opportunity cost of that team being paid and not working on something else, and when the big corp loses money people lose jobs.

wasn't GT5 supposed to be a launch title for Ps3? and it came out 4 years later?

I don't know how credible the indoctrination documentary was, but the narrator claimed that bioware was time pressed for Me3 because EA was forcing them to release at the specified time. again though, man... we will truly never know the ins and outs of what goes on in this business. at least not in the detail we are discussing, you know. still, I understand it, why it has to happen, but I don't LIKE it, you know

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

are you talking about destiny?

I suppose my statement could apply to Destiny as well.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I suppose my statement could apply to Destiny as well.

there were a few games being discussed on that page so which one was it exactly you were talking about? borderlands?

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

there were a few games being discussed on that page so which one was it exactly you were talking about? borderlands?

Yes I was talking about Borderlands.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The game felt like they took the worst parts of MMOs and threw it on a mediocre shooter. I never felt invested in the world or the characters which sucks because the world is cool. I'm far more interested in tales of the borderlands over anything gearbox does with the series.

I must confess, I too thought you were talking about Destiny.

 

[Iceman]

wasn't GT5 supposed to be a launch title for Ps3? and it came out 4 years later?

I don't know how credible the indoctrination documentary was, but the narrator claimed that bioware was time pressed for Me3 because EA was forcing them to release at the specified time. again though, man... we will truly never know the ins and outs of what goes on in this business. at least not in the detail we are discussing, you know. still, I understand it, why it has to happen, but I don't LIKE it, you know

Games will still get delayed for various reasons but it will normally be the big cheeses making the decisions rather than some kind of protest movement by employees, and once production has started those delays will cost a lot of money every time. It's different in the planning phase before resources have been committed and they can change dates then without penalty.

We certainly won't know all the ins and outs and what goes on behind the scenes like you say and I definitely don't like it either. There are enough good games to keep me busy that I'd rather wait until developers perfect their products and I get to play it exactly as they intended but unfortunately it can't always happen.

 

[Havok83]

wasn't GT5 supposed to be a launch title for Ps3? and it came out 4 years later?

I don't know how credible the indoctrination documentary was, but the narrator claimed that bioware was time pressed for Me3 because EA was forcing them to release at the specified time. again though, man... we will truly never know the ins and outs of what goes on in this business. at least not in the detail we are discussing, you know. still, I understand it, why it has to happen, but I don't LIKE it, you know

No. GT4 came out in 2005. Sony never said Polyphony would be able to release, its sequel the following year. Are you talking about GT HD Concept? Because that did launch in Japan and NA a month after the PS3 did. That title was announced at TGS 2006 for a Dec release. No delay involved

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

I must confess, I too thought you were talking about Destiny.

I can see why, I hear it's substantially worse than Borderlands.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Games will still get delayed for various reasons but it will normally be the big cheeses making the decisions rather than some kind of protest movement by employees, and once production has started those delays will cost a lot of money every time. It's different in the planning phase before resources have been committed and they can change dates then without penalty.

We certainly won't know all the ins and outs and what goes on behind the scenes like you say and I definitely don't like it either. There are enough good games to keep me busy that I'd rather wait until developers perfect their products and I get to play it exactly as they intended but unfortunately it can't always happen.

that may be true but if there is something going on during the development process that is bothering the developers and they're feeling rushed I think they'd be able to do something about it. but yeah, publishers are the ones getting the say. they're funding the projects too aren't they?

No. GT4 came out in 2005. Sony never said Polyphony would be able to release, its sequel the following year. Are you talking about GT HD Concept? Because that did launch in Japan and NA a month after the PS3 did. That title was announced at TGS 2006 for a Dec release. No delay involved

to my memory GT5 was indeed supposed to be a launch title man. but I ain't gonna keep arguing with you about this. it's not a big deal

I can see why, I hear it's substantially worse than Borderlands.

i think it is because destiny is a newer and more popular game and the of your post fits perfectly in the context of gameplay in destiny

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs is much better than The Dark Decent. I feel the Chinese Room understood what was wrong with its predecessor (balance issues, the fact that when any kills you is vanishes upon respawn thus making the game painfully easy.) and decided to move away from "stalker escape" sub-genre and used the sequel to tell a really ****ed up story.

Penumbra: Black Plague is still Frictional's best game to date.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

quidditch world cup has potential. a sequel needs to be made.

i suppose this is unpopular since no one cared about the first one