stephanie brown/spoiler/robin 4

[anrrd_2]

stephanie brown/robin: a good soldier


http://girl-wonder.org/robin/


please take the time to read it, i think its something thats deserves a few minutes of our time.

 

[Robin91939]

Stephanie Brown was not a true Robin. It doesn't matter if she were a male or female. The reason she obtained the mantel just negates her from being a true Robin, in my opinion.

She was a tool, literally. Batman only used her to try and get Tim to come back to being Robin. She is not memorialized because she was stripped of the rank of Robin, well before her death, because she couldn't follow orders. Not to mention she was only Robin for a handful of issues. Jason Todd was Robin for nearly a decade. She is not considered by Batman as one of the Robins.

She has been referenced as a loss in Tim's life more so than a loss in Batman's since her death. I would have loved a larger follow up to the fact that Leslie Tompkins let Stephanie die to prove a point to Batman, maybe that will happen one day and make Stephanie Brown a name again.

But no- she should not be immortalized in the Batcave. She was an independent hero, Spoiler, not a Robin. She was a cool character and great love interest for Tim Drake- but not a true Robin.

And seriously, if you didn't know that women are ALWAYS overly sexualized in the media compared to men, where have you been? And couldn't one argue that depicting the superhero's with 12 packs, huge pecks, giant biceps and bulging underwear is overly sexualizing male characters? Barbara Gordon was shot in the spine, and left to die while a male took pictures of her, may have raped her, and stripped her naked.....Stephanie Brown's case isn't the first.

-R

 

[Joker]

they actually retconned the whole Leslie letting her die thing.

 

[Nepenthes]

^ huh? so she just died of injuries I presume. what happened to Leslie then? last we saw she was in Africa and Batman told her never to come back.

 

[Joker]

no she isnt...after Infinite Crisis they retconned the entire War Crimes arc out of existence...last we know of Leslie, Batman mentioned she's still running her clinic.

 

[Robin91939]

Dumb, I actually found it interesting that an ally would go rogue in that way and allow a young woman to be used as her example. I would like to see more people stand up against Batman in that way from time to time...I thought it would have been an interesting thing to explore.

As far as the thread goes, Stephanie was "Robin" for no more than 4 issues, and 75 days (in comic time). She was not a real Robin. DC has never acknowledged her as such, neither did Batman. You could hear the lie hurt him as it left his mouth at the end of War Games when he said that she was a "real" Robin.

-R

 

[Mladen]

And seriously, if you didn't know that women are ALWAYS overly sexualized in the media compared to men, where have you been? And couldn't one argue that depicting the superhero's with 12 packs, huge pecks, giant biceps and bulging underwear is overly sexualizing male characters?
-R

No you couldn't.
The men don't stride around in bathing suits or thongs. Nor are they constantly posing to attract attention to their package and butt (whether in mid-fight or in relaxed position). Sure, superheroes are an idealised body-shape, but they're idealised for maximum power, not for maximum sexual appeal. Women on the other hand are sexy first, and powerful second.

I've also seen very few comics where men have 'bulging underwear' as you call it. most male superheroes don't actually look like they have genitals.

 

[RobC]

Didn't they make a thing out of this in either Under The Hood or Hush? Like how the cloud of death hung over the house again. I haven't got War Games in TPB form so i'm out of the loop with exact plot points, but I know the general story.

Did Batman ever gain revenge on Black Mask for inflicting the wounds?

 

[anrrd_2]

Dumb, I actually found it interesting that an ally would go rogue in that way and allow a young woman to be used as her example. I would like to see more people stand up against Batman in that way from time to time...I thought it would have been an interesting thing to explore.

As far as the thread goes, Stephanie was "Robin" for no more than 4 issues, and 75 days (in comic time). She was not a real Robin. DC has never acknowledged her as such, neither did Batman. You could hear the lie hurt him as it left his mouth at the end of War Games when he said that she was a "real" Robin.

-R

your only half correct...dc never acknowledged her....but batman did. her dieing wordfs to batman were "was it ever real? was i ever really a robin?"

and batman said "of course you were"

to which stephanie brown said something along the lines of "no one can take that away, no matter what"

batman: "...no matter what"

 

[union_jak]

I was looking at that website yesterday, funnily enough.

I liked Stephanie, she had faults and made a refreshing change from Cassandra Cain, so it's annoying how they moved on so soon.

 

[Robin91939]

your only half correct...dc never acknowledged her....but batman did. her dieing wordfs to batman were "was it ever real? was i ever really a robin?"

and batman said "of course you were"

to which stephanie brown said something along the lines of "no one can take that away, no matter what"

batman: "...no matter what"

You missed the part of my post where I said, "You could hear the lie hurt as it came out of Batman's mouth". The lie was when he confirmed for her that she was a Robin. It was known at the time, and from his actions since- that he thought the contrary and just wanted to let the dying girl have this one thing.

-R

 

[Fledermaus]

no she isnt...after Infinite Crisis they retconned the entire War Crimes arc out of existence...last we know of Leslie, Batman mentioned she's still running her clinic.

Not to dispute you, but where was this stated?

 

[cozzie]

i think that no matter what and for how long, she was for a part a robin and should have a case with either her robin costume in or her spoiler one!
she was too much of a good charecter to just be forgotten

 

[Joker]

Not to dispute you, but where was this stated?

It was a post OYL issue of either Batman or 'Tec...there was a big thing about it when it came out, where people celebrated for like, a page of a thread, and then no one ever mentioned it again.

 

[DeathRaven]

they actually retconned the whole Leslie letting her die thing.

Thank god, that was just a horrible choice to go with. That whole arc sucked (well there was a few good moments spread through out but it just was....eh)

 

[Robin91939]

i think that no matter what and for how long, she was for a part a robin and should have a case with either her robin costume in or her spoiler one!
she was too much of a good charecter to just be forgotten

I could agree with the part in bold. I loved her as a character. They really had her evolve from the time she had her child to the time she was dating Tim and her role in Robin: Unmasked I really liked her. I like her as a character, I thought she was the "perfect girl" for Tim Drake. They were on the same level and I was sad to see her die...moreso than for most characters. I would like to see her remembered more- mostly by Tim. I'd like to see Batman view it as a defeat as he does Jason's death (but not the same magnitude....it is a different situation, Jason bordered being Bruce's son) and possibly see her Spoiler costume in a case on display----but I do NOT want to see her honored as a Robin. Her being Robin was a mistake on her part, DC's part, Batman's part, all of them...and it seems like Alfred was the only one who was going to question Batman about the legitimacy of her hold on the mantel.

But as far as her being honored as Spoiler and Stephanie Brown being remembered by Tim Drake and Bruce Wayne, why not....she was a huge part of their lives.

-R

 

[RobC]

Under The Hood Vol. 1, I swear Alfred mentions how upset Batman was by her death. Right?

 

[Kevin Roegele]

That website is incredibly embarassing. It treats a fictional character as if she were Mother Teresa. Awful.

 

[anrrd_2]

That website is incredibly embarassing. It treats a fictional character as if she were Mother Teresa. Awful.

your mom is a fictional character being treated like mother teresa!

Spoiler

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[RobC]

Zing...

 

[Nepenthes]

no she isnt...after Infinite Crisis they retconned the entire War Crimes arc out of existence...last we know of Leslie, Batman mentioned she's still running her clinic.

okay if War Crimes never happened then what happened to Stephanie? she still around, laying low. join a convent maybe

 

[anrrd_2]

okay if War Crimes never happened then what happened to Stephanie? she still around, laying low. join a convent maybe

i dont remember many specifics....but their was a writer who was planning on taking over he robin comics...he made some vague refernces in an interview about "a returning friend" that "will excite alot of people"

 

[elgato]

your mom is a fictional character being treated like mother teresa!

Spoiler

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LOL!! t:

 

[anrrd_2]

^im glad you liked that

 

[Apprentice]

We want to be able to look at our "post-industrial folklore" and say: "Once upon a time, Batman had a Robin. She died, as the Robins sometimes did. But he remembered her, and he honored her."

Honor her, DC.

I'm sorry, but that is just...weirdly pathetic.