Stop Complaining Please! Is Anybody Else Sick of It?!

[Boba_Fett_123]

Fox doesn't deserve a single cent. I've watched X1 & X2 plenty of times in theatres, why would I give them my money in X3 if all I will see is disappointment.

Because regardless of your opinion of the film, thousands of people helped make it, and you are stealing from them by not paying for a movie ticket. Forget about the B.O. decline--the increasing piracy is causing people to lose their jobs. Stop being so selfish and pay for the damn movie. If you don't think it's worth it, then don't watch it at all.

 

[Hulkster]

And that's your opinion too and I respect that. But what's done is done, they destroyed my favorite superhero team, then I will not pay for it.

 

[Boba_Fett_123]

And that's your opinion too and I respect that. But what's done is done, they destroyed my favorite superhero team, then I will not pay for it.

Dude, that wasn't my opinion. It's a fact: by not paying to see a film, you are costing people money and jobs that they need to survive. End of story. Hope you feel better about yourself now.

 

[ntcrawler]

Dude, that wasn't my opinion. It's a fact: by not paying to see a film, you are costing people money and jobs that they need to survive. End of story. Hope you feel better about yourself now.

I somehow doubt this will cause Rothman, Penn and Kinberg to lose their jobs and end up homeless

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Dude, that wasn't my opinion. It's a fact: by not paying to see a film, you are costing people money and jobs that they need to survive. End of story. Hope you feel better about yourself now.

Who cares? Fox, Rothman, Ratner, Penn, and Kinberg all made a ****load of money from this film anyways. It's not like one or two downloads is going to cut off their electricity or not pay their medical bills.

Fox doesn't deserve a single penny for what they did. If anything the money shouldn't go to the hack director, the hack writers, or the hack of a CEO. The money should go to the actors who remained loyal to the franchise and stayed with it, even though the product for X3 was absolute trash.

My verdict? Fox gets the finger and receives nothing from me.

 

[Hulkster]

Dude, that wasn't my opinion. It's a fact: by not paying to see a film, you are costing people money and jobs that they need to survive. End of story. Hope you feel better about yourself now.

Yes I feel much better.

 

[chaseter]

I am.

 

[danoyse]

Who cares? Fox, Rothman, Ratner, Penn, and Kinberg all made a ****load of money from this film anyways. It's not like one or two downloads is going to cut off their electricity or not pay their medical bills.

Yeah, but they're not the kind of people who lose their jobs due to piracy. It's all the lower-level people who didn't do the things you're so mad about who suddenly become expendable.

 

[X-Maniac]

You mentioned piracy... A work colleague and his new wife have just returned from honeymoon in the Far East (Bangkok, i believe) where copies of X3 and SR were openly on sale in huge quantities (along with other recent releases) for what he said was £1.20, which is currently $2.27 US dollars...

He's seen both X3 and SR at the cinema a couple of times, but rather naughtily bought a copy of the SR bootleg (but not X3 as that's out on DVD very soon)...and he says the quality is very very good...

Doesn't bode well for the DVD or movie industry....

 

[Boba_Fett_123]

Who cares? Fox, Rothman, Ratner, Penn, and Kinberg all made a ****load of money from this film anyways. It's not like one or two downloads is going to cut off their electricity or not pay their medical bills.

Fox doesn't deserve a single penny for what they did. If anything the money shouldn't go to the hack director, the hack writers, or the hack of a CEO. The money should go to the actors who remained loyal to the franchise and stayed with it, even though the product for X3 was absolute trash.

My verdict? Fox gets the finger and receives nothing from me.

I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the woodworkers. The setbuilders, the painters, the production assistants, the costumers, the cafeteria staff...do they deserve to lose money because you didn't like a ****ing movie?

 

[danoyse]

You mentioned piracy... A work colleague and his new wife have just returned from honeymoon in the Far East (Bangkok, i believe) where copies of X3 and SR were openly on sale in huge quantities (along with other recent releases) for what he said was £1.20, which is currently $2.27 US dollars...

He's seen both X3 and SR at the cinema a couple of times, but rather naughtily bought a copy of the SR bootleg (but not X3 as that's out on DVD very soon)...and he says the quality is very very good...

Doesn't bode well for the DVD or movie industry....

I've read the piracy problem is terrible there. Here in NYC you can usually find them being sold on the street (last I heard, DVDs were around $5), but the cops crack down on them fairly quickly.

It used to be bootlegs were just videotaped off the screen and the quality was terrible...with downloading, the quality is so much better it's become more and more of a threat to the industry.

It's why some companies have started suggesting that movies be available on DVD when they're released in theaters, or at least available for downloading within a very short window.

 

[danoyse]

I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the woodworkers. The setbuilders, the painters, the production assistants, the costumers, the cafeteria staff...do they deserve to lose money because you didn't like a ****ing movie?

Exactly. They're not going to fire the CEO's, they're going to fire the assistants and the laborers, people who need their jobs.

I worked at Fox as part of their 6-month trainee program--I was basically a glorified intern. I got $5 an hour to work as an assistant to the network production crew. It was lousy work and I hated it there.

BUT, having "Fox" on my resume got me a lot more interviews than any of my college experience ever did, and I was able to use to get a much better job where I still am today. It would not have happened without the trainee experience helping me get in the door.

So, let's say the piracy problem is so bad (because it's not just "1 or 2 people" doing it)...that Fox decided to cut their trainee program. So now some kid coming out of college doesn't get a chance because some idiots were too cheap to pay for their movie tickets.

That's how piracy hurts.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the woodworkers. The setbuilders, the painters, the production assistants, the costumers, the cafeteria staff...do they deserve to lose money because you didn't like a ****ing movie?

Good point. The actors and the woodworkers should get the big money, people like Ratner, Kinberg, Penn, and Rothman don't need it at all since they ruined a great thing.

 

[ntcrawler]

I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the woodworkers. The setbuilders, the painters, the production assistants, the costumers, the cafeteria staff...do they deserve to lose money because you didn't like a ****ing movie?

How do they lose money? They already get their salaries even before the film is ever released. Succeed or flop, they're already paid by the time principle photography has been completed.

 

[Boba_Fett_123]

And then the next time FOX greenlights a movie, it turns out they couldn't really afford all of those people, and not all of them are hired back, and you've got people that are unemployed for months or more. Piracy hurts, end of story.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And then the next time FOX greenlights a movie, it turns out they couldn't really afford all of those people, and not all of them are hired back, and you've got people that are unemployed for months or more. Piracy hurts, end of story.

You also have people like myself, who work at retail outlets.

When people download stuff instead of buying CD's or DVD's, we lose business into our stores, the stores begin to lose money, and they begin to close down, and I, Nell2ThaIzzay, lose MY job.

Do you guys want Nell2ThaIzzay to be unemployed?

 

[Boba_Fett_123]

You also have people like myself, who work at retail outlets.

When people download stuff instead of buying CD's or DVD's, we lose business into our stores, the stores begin to lose money, and they begin to close down, and I, Nell2ThaIzzay, lose MY job.

Do you guys want Nell2ThaIzzay to be unemployed?

Nell's got it right. I work at Blockbuster, and the most people we ever employ at any given time is 8, ten tops, because there's not enough business to justify more.

 

[danoyse]

How do they lose money? They already get their salaries even before the film is ever released. Succeed or flop, they're already paid by the time principle photography has been completed.

Future work. The job ends once the movie is finished--your next job hinges on being hired for another movie.

Piracy affects what studios spend on making movies. When it causes a dent in their budgets, they cut back on staff...not CEOs.

Downloading X3 now isn't going to get people fired from X3 (but it will affect people like Nell and Boba, as they stated about retail work). But if it puts a dent in profit, they'll cut back on staff for the next film that studio works on.

 

[Cyclops]

But if you don't see it all, don't they lose the money too?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

But if you don't see it all, don't they lose the money too?

But if you don't see it at all, then you aren't stealing a product.

 

[Cyclops]

Well, it's not like it's a product worth stealing, anyway... but if the whole argument is that if you steal it, people lose jobs because FOX isn't making money so you shouldn't see it at all is just kinda stupid.

Because if you don't see it at all, THEY'RE STILL LOSING MONEY.

Look, as much as you guys would love to think it does, pirating X3 doesn't hurt anyone because the movie was a huge success. Sure, it was a terrible travesty, but it made enough money so that nobody's going penniless if some broke college kid downloads the movie for free.

If you're going to argue that film piracy hurts people, at least use an example that WASN'T a success already.

 

[The Batman]

Well, it's not like it's a product worth stealing, anyway... but if the whole argument is that if you steal it, people lose jobs because FOX isn't making money so you shouldn't see it at all is just kinda stupid.

Because if you don't see it at all, THEY'RE STILL LOSING MONEY.

Look, as much as you guys would love to think it does, pirating X3 doesn't hurt anyone because the movie was a huge success. Sure, it was a terrible travesty, but it made enough money so that nobody's going penniless if some broke college kid downloads the movie for free.

If you're going to argue that film piracy hurts people, at least use an example that WASN'T a success already.

Thank you. Thank you so very much.

 

[chaseter]

Well, it's not like it's a product worth stealing, anyway... but if the whole argument is that if you steal it, people lose jobs because FOX isn't making money so you shouldn't see it at all is just kinda stupid.

Because if you don't see it at all, THEY'RE STILL LOSING MONEY.

Look, as much as you guys would love to think it does, pirating X3 doesn't hurt anyone because the movie was a huge success. Sure, it was a terrible travesty, but it made enough money so that nobody's going penniless if some broke college kid downloads the movie for free.

If you're going to argue that film piracy hurts people, at least use an example that WASN'T a success already.

That attitude towards things is just dumb. If a lot of people thought that way then it would make an effect on things. It is just like the old chestnut "My vote doesn't count." If a couple hundred/thousand/million people thought that way...which sadly they do...then it does matter. And to say they are still loosing money is stupid too. Hey...lets rob them because they have a lot of money anyways. I know for a fact the movie studios loose hundreds of thousands of dollars each year because of piracy. What if you had a company and knew people were stealing from you yet you still made a profit each year??? I am sorry but that was one of the dumbest posts I have read in a while.

Do you steal from McDonalds when you eat there??? They turn huge profits each year. Do you walk in to Foot Locker and steal sneakers because, hey they make lots of money.

 

[Cyclops]

But the movie WAS ALREADY A SUCCESS. It's not in theatres anymore. Why not download it?

Like I said, use a move that didn't succeed due to piracy as an example. Not a huge big-budget mainstream studio success.

 

[ntcrawler]

You can't steal something that wasn't there in the first place. You can't claim someone hurt your business if it's a product he didn't intend to buy in the first place. Money that wasn't there isn't going to be there. If people lose jobs because they're working on producing a product I'm not interested in buying in the first place, then there's nothing I can do about it. I'm not going to give them my business simply because I feel sorry for them. Produce something I'd actually want to buy and then I'll change my mind.